DmC or DMC5?

[berto]

Capcom thought that they made it clear when the game was released so I can think of two reasons why we don't know.

1: Alot of 'then why isn't's. If the answer is there maybe we missed it because people kept thinking 'that can't be because if that's so then why isn't this or isn't that' sort of train of thought. DMC4 is full of plot holes, people might not be willing to accept the answer because itself might be a plot hole.

2. Lost in translation: It's a translated script, maybe it was more obvious in the original Japanese.

 

[Meg]

Personally I think Capcom may not realize how hard it is to understand because they know what they were trying to say, so it makes sense to them. That kind of stuff happens a lot in writing.

 

[CoolDemon]

Then who is Nero? If it was lost in translation?

 

[berto]

For this we should open a thread on the DMC4 board. We can discuss it there without interrupting here.

 

[V's patron]

At this point i want DmC to come out more since i want to know whether or not this thing was worth the effort i put into defendiing it.

If DmC was meant to replace the original series but it failed, i would be cool with them going back to the original and doing dmc5 since they tried and failed. It just a bussiness decision.

But if they do dmc as a side project with no intention of having it replace the original and just do dmc5 anyway, than i would be ****ed as then why didnt they just do that in the first place and save us all this controversy.

Meg does bring up a good point about jumping on points for a new audience to ease into but that could be easily done with the old series by making a title that is important to the series but requires no prior knowledge to jump on too. Its DMC not lost, it shouldnt be hard to follow.
A game on the origins of Sparda or vergil could fuflfill that role.

Nero's connection to Dante was explained by Sanctus remarking that nero was a descendant of sparda which is a half-assed way of saying he is dante or vergil's kid.

 

[GamblingGambitCloud]

either way it's a game....do we REALLY have to keep having the same conversations cross threads?

 

[V's patron]

It's synchronicity.

 

[darkslayer13]

they should not have started a reboot with unanswered question in the original continuity but now that they have started they should finish DmC before making Devil May Cry 5.

 

[wallenb]

they should not have started a reboot with unanswered question in the original continuity but now that they have started they should finish DmC before making Devil May Cry 5.

I think the way the original series played out was so confusing to anyone who started playing on the ps3 and xbox360 first. I mean the reboot should of started on the next gen not with just the storyline, but also with a whole new controls because dmc4 was just everything shoved into the game, and that made every button on the control usable, but not in a good way. THe whole jump to the next gen just seems rushed to me, like all the animations are just upgraded graphics. Nothing was original except the background levels and Nero.
DmC is just an experiment that has the potential to be great, especially with two great companies behind it.

 

[mrrandomlulz]

I for one think that the remake is just gonna lower to
$20 for me to pick it up cheap due to all the hate it is getting people won't give it a chance ,however I like the original more
my avatar is a winchester for a reason it is my favorite firearm because i appreciate the classics

 

[wallenb]

I for one think that the remake is just gonna lower to
$20 for me to pick it up cheap due to all the hate it is getting people won't give it a chance ,however I like the original more
my avatar is a winchester for a reason it is my favorite firearm because i appreciate the classics

yea, a lot of the hate came from the very first trailer, which was, to me, like a concept of what they were going for. And not a lot of people can get over that one trailer. So far i've seen good things coming from DmC and i hope they finish strong too.
Really i don't even think DMC 5 would be able to make up for all the holes in the story so far, just because so many people are interesting in so many things that when and if it was released people would still feel disappointed because their favorite part of the game was left out.
With every game there are things that people hate.

When i played Batman AC the first time i loved it. But my friend said it was a broken game because he couldn't get a high ranking in the combat challenges.

I think as an original IP instead of DmC it would of been met with more of an open mind. And all the interviews of switching back and forth with whether or not its a prequal/reboot just made things worst.

I never "loved" Dante as much as some people do here, so when i saw a change i was more intrigued than upset because i knew it was a younger version and i wanted to know what happened. Same with DMC2. Dante was at his strongest, right? So thats why he could jump higher and everything was just really easy, but the rest of the series never played out to it. Which i find more upsetting than anything.

 

[wallenb]

I for one think that the remake is just gonna lower to
$20 for me to pick it up cheap due to all the hate it is getting people won't give it a chance ,however I like the original more
my avatar is a winchester for a reason it is my favorite firearm because i appreciate the classics

yea, a lot of the hate came from the very first trailer, which was, to me, like a concept of what they were going for. And not a lot of people can get over that one trailer. So far i've seen good things coming from DmC and i hope they finish strong too.
Really i don't even think DMC 5 would be able to make up for all the holes in the story so far, just because so many people are interesting in so many things that when and if it was released people would still feel disappointed because their favorite part of the game was left out.
With every game there are things that people hate.

When i played Batman AC the first time i loved it. But my friend said it was a broken game because he couldn't get a high ranking in the combat challenges.

I think as an original IP instead of DmC it would of been met with more of an open mind. And all the interviews of switching back and forth with whether or not its a prequal/reboot just made things worst.

I never "loved" Dante as much as some people do here, so when i saw a change i was more intrigued than upset because i knew it was a younger version and i wanted to know what happened. Same with DMC2. Dante was at his strongest, right? So thats why he could jump higher and everything was just really easy, but the rest of the series never played out to it. Which i find more upsetting than anything.

 

[ToCool74]

yea, a lot of the hate came from the very first trailer, which was, to me, like a concept of what they were going for. And not a lot of people can get over that one trailer. So far i've seen good things coming from DmC and i hope they finish strong too.
Really i don't even think DMC 5 would be able to make up for all the holes in the story so far, just because so many people are interesting in so many things that when and if it was released people would still feel disappointed because their favorite part of the game was left out.
With every game there are things that people hate.

When i played Batman AC the first time i loved it. But my friend said it was a broken game because he couldn't get a high ranking in the combat challenges.

I think as an original IP instead of DmC it would of been met with more of an open mind. And all the interviews of switching back and forth with whether or not its a prequal/reboot just made things worst.

I never "loved" Dante as much as some people do here, so when i saw a change i was more intrigued than upset because i knew it was a younger version and i wanted to know what happened. Same with DMC2. Dante was at his strongest, right? So thats why he could jump higher and everything was just really easy, but the rest of the series never played out to it. Which i find more upsetting than anything.

I fail to see how it would be so hard to explain some of the plotholes in the series.

You guys are making it sounds as if it would be impossible.

1.They could do a game set after DMC2 featuring Dante,Nero, a revived Mundus, and a thought to be dead Vergil.
2.They could show us how Dante escaped from hell at the beginning of the game (which would lead up to DMC2's ending).
3.They could have Vergil meet up with Nero and explain that he is his father.
4.We could get an encounter with Mundus and have him explain what happened to Sparda after he settled down because I'm pretty sure he had demons keeping tabs on him after his defeat at the hands of Sparda. All we know is Sparda was gone by the time Dante and Vergil's mom was killed. I highly doubt he would have left for no reason. Something had to have happened to him.

Fact is its not all that hard to make DMC5 and explain the plotholes.

All that is required is for Capcom to actually apply themselves to making it and answering those questions without creating more questions.

Also, It would be nice to know how Dante became the "silent hero" that he was in DMC2.

Did something happen that made him lose his cocky attitude? Like maybe Trish or Lady dieing?

All this could be explained in DMC5 IMO.

 

[wallenb]

What about the girls? Where are all the new demons? Is dantes shop still around. Is there anything new about the game or are we going to play in hell from virgils part to dantes part and then maybe nero is running the shop.
Dmc4 should have wrapped up the series like mgs4 but instead... You know what happened.
Im not saying DmC was the right choice but im saying capcom let the story run wild. Capcom doesn't even acknowledge dmc2and thatss why I think they reimagined dante altogether.

 

[ToCool74]

What about the girls? Where are all the new demons? Is dantes shop still around. Is there anything new about the game or are we going to play in hell from virgils part to dantes part and then maybe nero is running the shop.
Dmc4 should have wrapped up the series like mgs4 but instead... You know what happened.
Im not saying DmC was the right choice but im saying capcom let the story run wild. Capcom doesn't even acknowledge dmc2and thatss why I think they reimagined dante altogether.

Like I said the girls (Lady and Trish) could be used to explain why Dante is so silent now. And the shop would still be there considering nothing happened to it towards the end of DMC2. And where are the demons? There EVERYWHERE lol. Hell is full of them as well as the earth. And as far as something new, what do you mean? new gameplay? new characters?,new settings?

And as far as playing characters goes,

I was thinking playing as Dante at the very beginning showing how he got at of hell and leading up to him arriving at the shop (DMC2's ending).

Than maybe having a more mature Nero showing up and explaining to Dante about a Demon named Mundus causing havoc. Afterwards taking control of Nero would be cool.

Nero could later meet Vergil and have him explain who he is. Afterwards Vergil could explain that he is his father and offer to help kill mundus (because its obvious he must hate Mundus also). And than you take control of Vergil.

After that it would be nice to just switch between different characters periodically during the story.

 

[V's patron]

Well i think it depends onn whether you still care about the plotholes to see them answered .

I stopped caring about nero's connection to dante since they could have just explained that in the actual game. They could have made that apart of the game instead of saving that for the sequel.

I dont need DMC5 to explain that when they wasted a perfectly good oppurtunity to do that in the ACTUAL GAME!!!.

So just make it a DLC for the people who still care enough .

 

[berto]

Like I said the girls (Lady and Trish) could be used to explain why Dante is so silent now.

I'm not sure this would ever happen, even if the possibility were there. Dante's character in DMC2 was another product of the rushed job, switching from one director to another near the end. Had the director had the time or might've been there from the beggening he would've provably ended up making Dante more like DMC4's. It's one of those things in the DMC history that will go down in infamy as part of the forever ignored, even by Capcom, DMC2.

 

[ToCool74]

I'm not sure this would ever happen, even if the possibility were there. Dante's character in DMC2 was another product of the rushed job, switching from one director to another near the end. Had the director had the time or might've been there from the beggening he would've provably ended up making Dante more like DMC4's. It's one of those things in the DMC history that will go down in infamy as part of the forever ignored, even by Capcom, DMC2.

I know DMC2 was a rushed job by Capcom.

But that does not mean that Capcom could not explain things in a future title.

Its NOT impossible.

As I have shown above, there are reasonable ways to explain the plotholes and all of it could fit into one game if Capcom just applied themselves.

 

[Asmodaius]

Maybe everyone should just accept that the DMC storyline is as holed as swiss cheese and just move on.
Because I sincerely doubt that Capcom will ever do anything to try and fill out those holes.

 

[ToCool74]

Maybe everyone should just accept that the DMC storyline is as holed as swiss cheese and just move on.
Because I sincerely doubt that Capcom will ever do anything to try and fill out those holes.

We do not have to accept anything.

I'm not going to just set back and say, "Hey, one of my favorite series has holes in it and I'm fine with that!"

No, thats not going to happen.

I'm going to keep hoping for the best.

Anything is possible. If this game comes out and bombs than I could definitely see Capcom going back to make DMC5. And even if this game does succeed there is still the slim possibility of Capcom going back just long enough to rap up the series to shut up raging fans.