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DmC interview: Capcom ‘had a lot to prove to you’

May I ask something? Why are the so called "true fans" seems to think they are some sort of elite? We are only gamers at the first point lol.
"True" something...why does the word true makes something more phony?
example:"I will show you the TRUE POWER OF THE DARK SIDE!!!" ....epicly lame.

DragonMaster2010 said:
That's because Kyrie was his first love. Nero's never felt love before so of course he's mad. He didn't want her involved but now she is and there was nothing he could do to stop them. You can only keep all that anger and sadness in for so long.
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The problem is, it's actually the first time in the series that someone has completly lost his cool. It's just plain disturbing...
 
VampireWicked said:
I'm saying a player that's a real fan of a game will play through something if it freezes, glitches & has other technical issues. And then say HEY your right it does have problems but i'm going to play it anyway because i like the game & i'll buy it's sequel because i like this type of gameplay. ​
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And as i said EllDawn fanatics are on both sides.​
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But as a fan shouldn't you want the producer to fix those issues.

I mean for sports (pun cause I'm going to a Mets game today).....say a person is a fan for a sports team(Giants, Jets, Lakers, whatever)...and that team has a few flaws wouldn't you want that team to get better and not suck....to make it to the big leagues or win this years championship or Super Bowl.
 
The problem I was having was that you were calling fanatics fans that will stick with a game despite its flaws. It includes that, but it also includes an unhealthy obsession with the game. I'm sure there are fanatics on both sides, it's just we're seeing more of them with the original series which has been proven with the death threats to the team working on DmC.

And I agree with what has been said before about the term "true fans." In my opinion it's meant more to make those that get everything they can, spending more money than is available, feel better. It's not real, just a comfort term.
 
Are we really still on this topic?
I guess I wouldn't understand since I'm a new fan mainly because o the issue surrounding it.
 
crush said:
May I ask something? Why are the so called "true fans" seems to think they are some sort of elite? We are only gamers at the first point lol.
"True" something...why does the word true makes something more phony?
example:"I will show you the TRUE POWER OF THE DARK SIDE!!!" ....epicly lame.



The problem is, it's actually the first time in the series that someone has completly lost his cool. It's just plain disturbing...
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What about Lady in DMC3 after she killed her father? Or Dante in DMC1 when he thought he lost Trish?
 
Being angry about it – yeah I get that – but we always said, ‘when you see the game and you play it, trust me, you’re going to understand that we were doing the right thing’. Now that’s happening, so yeah it’s vindication, but it’s not like smugly sitting back and going ‘ha ha’.

No that's exactly how it sounds.

It's okay for NT cause of all the sh* t they've gone through, but not you CAPCOM. You have no right to sit in a comfy chair.
 
DragonMaster2010 said:
Where's your proof that that's true?

For them to still have JC, Weapon switching, fluid gameplay, an actual good DMC story, Vergil pretty much untouched in appearence, Mundus back, Dante still cocky, stronger demons, Mundus returning, the world shifting, and the two brothers reunite to kick Mundus's ass, paying homage to both DMC1 and DMC3?

I'd say that's caring for your old fanbase.

The only reason some disagree is because a western development is handling it, and Dante doesn't look the same as before.
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Simple, Capcom had alot to prove yes, but there was an easy way out of this, that would please the fanbase, THAT CAPCOM HAD ALREADY DONE!
Because if they TRULY cared about the original fanbase, they would go both ways by announcing the following.


"After the game is finished. We are making 'DmC: Off the Record', in which you play as Original Dante in the DmC setting.
The game will have the style system from the original 4 games, along with some help from Platinum Games for gameplay innovations. Ninja Theory will return as writers, trying to keep Dante a mix between DMC1 and DMC3 attitude wise, and suit wise, he will be wearing something similar to his DMC1 attire. The story should be as good, if not better, than DmC. Since we've made most of the enviroments, concepts, and such for DmC, Off the Record should only take 2 years at most, and should be great."

I mean really, they did this EXACT SAME THING with Dead Rising, why not DmC?

It would be easy, it would put a crap load of money in Capcoms pocket, and it would be fun for fans of the original series like me.

EVERYONE FREAKING WINS!

So why did Capcom not think of doing this?
Because

Either

A. They were stupid and were banging their own keyboards against their heads.

B. They are planning on something like this, but just haven't announced it yet.

C. Capcom don't care about the original fanbase.

I don't care how stupid people think it is, CAPCOM HAS DONE IT BEFORE!

Capcom could easily do this game, and yet they choose not to. It's ridiculous.
 
DragonMaster2010 said:
What about Lady in DMC3 after she killed her father? Or Dante in DMC1 when he thought he lost Trish?
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well the point is that lady simply didn't have the power to stop arkham, which is quite understandable.
but the problem with Nero is he already had the power to smash the saviour with his bare hands but suddenly loses his marbles.
Agnus said that kirie was only a bargaining chip and doesn't intend to kill her straight away.
so...why did he need to suddenly begin bawling out?
in the series where someone cries it was quite understandable. but in my opinion. 4 is quite...curious.
 
mrrandomlulz said:
Simple, Capcom had alot to prove yes, but there was an easy way out of this, that would please the fanbase, THAT CAPCOM HAD ALREADY DONE!
Because if they TRULY cared about the original fanbase, they would go both ways by announcing the following.


"After the game is finished. We are making 'DmC: Off the Record', in which you play as Original Dante in the DmC setting.
The game will have the style system from the original 4 games, along with some help from Platinum Games for gameplay innovations. Ninja Theory will return as writers, trying to keep Dante a mix between DMC1 and DMC3 attitude wise, and suit wise, he will be wearing something similar to his DMC1 attire. The story should be as good, if not better, than DmC. Since we've made most of the enviroments, concepts, and such for DmC, Off the Record should only take 2 years at most, and should be great."

I mean really, they did this EXACT SAME THING with Dead Rising, why not DmC?

It would be easy, it would put a crap load of money in Capcoms pocket, and it would be fun for fans of the original series like me.

EVERYONE FREAKING WINS!

So why did Capcom not think of doing this?
Because

Either

A. They were stupid and were banging their own keyboards against their heads.

B. They are planning on something like this, but just haven't announced it yet.

C. Capcom don't care about the original fanbase.

I don't care how stupid people think it is, CAPCOM HAS DONE IT BEFORE!

Capcom could easily do this game, and yet they choose not to. It's ridiculous.
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Didn't the reason DR off the record came out was because the original DR 2 sucked? I don't pay attention to the dead rising series.

I would think putting old Dante in DmC was a bad idea artistically and visually. Plus story wise as well. Because old Dante is too anime style to fit into a more modern world, and he'd probably get laughed at. Plus why would someone like DMC1 Dante be dressed like that everywhere he walks and be looked at as some wierdo in a flashy red coat and pure white hair. But hey, this is a video game so I can't say.

The style system would be confusing because you just switched to learning new gameplay, and now you have to switch back to the original controls? I'd rather stick with what's been given then having to switch between upgraded game mechanics to the copy paste gameplay mechanics that have been used for two games now, and will probably never change anymore.
 
crush said:
well the point is that lady simply didn't have the power to stop arkham, which is quite understandable.
but the problem with Nero is he already had the power to smash the saviour with his bare hands but suddenly loses his marbles.
Agnus said that kirie was only a bargaining chip and doesn't intend to kill her straight away.
so...why did he need to suddenly begin bawling out?
in the series where someone cries it was quite understandable. but in my opinion. 4 is quite...curious.
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You still didn't say anything about Dante crying for Trish.
 
DragonMaster2010 said:
Didn't the reason DR off the record came out was because the original DR 2 sucked? I don't pay attention to the dead rising series.

I would think putting old Dante in DmC was a bad idea artistically and visually. Plus story wise as well. Because old Dante is too anime style to fit into a more modern world, and he'd probably get laughed at. Plus why would someone like DMC1 Dante be dressed like that everywhere he walks and be looked at as some wierdo in a flashy red coat and pure white hair. But hey, this is a video game so I can't say.

The style system would be confusing because you just switched to learning new gameplay, and now you have to switch back to the original controls? I'd rather stick with what's been given then having to switch between upgraded game mechanics to the copy paste gameplay mechanics that have been used for two games now, and will probably never change anymore.
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The original DR2 was a huge success, and was critically praised. Only a few nerds got butthurt over how it "was dissapointing", but alot of the original fan base loved it.

You sound exactly like Tameem and Alex right now

"If Dante were to be in a real world setting, he would get laughed at.", I call bullsh*t, Dante wears a jacket, red sweatpants, a black shirt. and black gloves, what is so FREAKING weird about that?

Plenty of people dye their hair, boom, that's what people think the reason his hair is white is, or maybe early in the game he will have a fedora or something covering his head.

And tell the truth, what is so bad about original Dante's coat? It's a trench coat, plenty of people wear them in real life

PLUS, people can use more than 2 control schemes. It's not that hard.

IMHO, DmC's control scheme is actually a downgrade, considering you have 2 stances instead of 4 styles.

So in all honesty, Capcom could EASILY do this game.
 
It is entirely up to any of you to take this as CAPCOM smugly saying 'haha'. That doesn't make it any more their intention to make you feel that way. I'm not sure if it's rational to blame a company for your animosity towards them when you can simply ignore them and enjoy the previous series.

They made the original 4 games, not you, and it was their decision to end that story. They, the owners of the franchise, have more of a right than any of you to decide when it's time to move onto something new. Of course, they should listen to fans, and I think they have listened so far as reason can take them. I don't see what good it would do to complain that they should bring 'classic Dante' back when there's clearly no interest in doing so. If you want him back, go play DMC 1-4.

I'm a huge fan of the original series- I was totally absorbed in the story and the gameplay. And I love where they're going with this new take, since it's clear to me that they can take it further than the original series. They're giving the core ideas of Devil May Cry, its spirit, another chance to shine. Sure, we need to wait until the game comes out to know if they will succeed in that effort, but beating them over the head for not being old-school enough for your tastes isn't going to encourage them to accomplish the task.
 
mrrandomlulz said:
The original DR2 was a huge success, and was critically praised. Only a few nerds got butthurt over how it "was dissapointing", but alot of the original fan base loved it.

Oh, okay.

You sound exactly like Tameem and Alex right now

"If Dante were to be in a real world setting, he would get laughed at.", I call bullsh*t, Dante wears a jacket, red sweatpants, a black shirt. and black gloves, what is so FREAKING weird about that?

Nooo. Dante wears a very flashy red coat, a black bullet proof vest or regular vest or nothing at all. Tight long pants to baggy ones, and long to combat to cowboy boots. If I saw someone like that, I'd laugh at them to myself. But like I said, this is a video game world so it won't matter.

Plenty of people dye their hair, boom, that's what people think the reason his hair is white is, or maybe early in the game he will have a fedora or something covering his head.

People still laugh either way. My friend dyed his hair pink and he was laughed at for awhile. Obviously people will think it's dyed that way, that doesn't mean people won't look at him funny or laugh at him.

And tell the truth, what is so bad about original Dante's coat? It's a trench coat, plenty of people wear them in real life

I didn't say it was wrong. I said it would look strange in a real life setting. The clothes in anime don't always look good in a modern city.

PLUS, people can use more than 2 control schemes. It's not that hard.

You'd be surprised.

IMHO, DmC's control scheme is actually a downgrade, considering you have 2 stances instead of 4 styles.

3 stances. Human, angel, demon.

So in all honesty, Capcom could EASILY do this game.
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You're forgetting something important though;

how could Dante enter the DmC world
It has to be logical and not by some portal out of no where.

Besides, this Dante will just turn into the classic Dante by the end of the game anyway, so it'd be like putting the same character in the same game twice and no character development at all.
 
mrrandomlulz said:
Simple, Capcom had alot to prove yes, but there was an easy way out of this, that would please the fanbase, THAT CAPCOM HAD ALREADY DONE!
Because if they TRULY cared about the original fanbase, they would go both ways by announcing the following.


"After the game is finished. We are making 'DmC: Off the Record', in which you play as Original Dante in the DmC setting.
The game will have the style system from the original 4 games, along with some help from Platinum Games for gameplay innovations. Ninja Theory will return as writers, trying to keep Dante a mix between DMC1 and DMC3 attitude wise, and suit wise, he will be wearing something similar to his DMC1 attire. The story should be as good, if not better, than DmC. Since we've made most of the enviroments, concepts, and such for DmC, Off the Record should only take 2 years at most, and should be great."

I mean really, they did this EXACT SAME THING with Dead Rising, why not DmC?

It would be easy, it would put a crap load of money in Capcoms pocket, and it would be fun for fans of the original series like me.

EVERYONE FREAKING WINS!

So why did Capcom not think of doing this?
Because

Either

A. They were stupid and were banging their own keyboards against their heads.

B. They are planning on something like this, but just haven't announced it yet.

C. Capcom don't care about the original fanbase.

I don't care how stupid people think it is, CAPCOM HAS DONE IT BEFORE!

Capcom could easily do this game, and yet they choose not to. It's ridiculous.
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Sounds a lot like MegaMan EXE Operation Shooting Star(it was DS game that never came to America.........f*cking Capcom.....and it it was a crossover of MegaMan BN/EXE & Starforce...well a very poor crossover.....it was basically a remake of Battle Network 1 but with MegaMan SF version as a playable character and a bonus Clock Master scenario jammed somewhere in the story........I would've prefered a well done and different crossover game....a DmC game but as Old Dante as playable is a waste of time.......they might as well make that DLC or make a PROPER crossover not just whack remake with like DragonMaster said a copy & paste of his old combat style......I would've preferred a proper crossover game sorta like Sonic Generations or something....but its too early for that....I say wait til DmC has more games and more continuity....or utilize both DMC & DmC in a Viewtiful Joe 3......Kamiya said something about making a VJ3 but he also said something about making a Bayonetta 2 and as far as I know SEGA & Platinum's contract is over so how is that possible unless they want to renew it but due to the Anarchy Reigns faisco......I doubt Platinum Games would want to continue business with SEGA or SEGA really cared).
 
DragonMaster2010 said:
You still didn't say anything about Dante crying for Trish.
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My main point is how nero's reaction looked weird compared to the other characters...I Mean do you want me to make a rundown on every character? I'm no poet, do not expect me to make a grandiose interpretion!...and do I have to write this until I make a critical error in such a simple storyline? (Ok I must admit I forgot about that LIGHHHHT! bit)
In the case of trish it's too obvious. Trish looked like eva. If you see a image of your mother stamped out the results are predictable.

Let me have this straight, that scene made Nero look completely inferior to Dante.Which is a dissapointment in DMC4.
If he vowed to bring Sanctus down as Kyrie is being captured It is darn badass, but instead he is banging his fist for power and the loss of Kyrie...Which both he didn't have to entirely worry about because Kyrie is as I said, a bargain chip. Her life is ensured and he already had the power he needed to bring down the savior even without Yamato (No big blue bro in the last scene).
It's like he is smashing his PS3 claiming it's gliched, but it isn't.
 
crush said:
my main point is how nero looks weird compared to the other characters...I Mean do you want me to make a rundown on every character?
I'm no poet! do I have to write this? it will only make you yawn. in the case of trish it's too obvious. Trish looked like eva. If you see a image of your mother stamped out the results are predictable.
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Yeah with Trish and Kyrie is that:

1. Dante just met Trish and BARELY interacted. Nero known Kyrie for almost his entire life.

2. Trish tried to kill Dante not too long ago. Nero loves Kyrie.

Dante's reaction to Trish's death is just as reasonable as Nero's.

Plus Nero was mainly crying over how useless he was not losing Kyrie. Plus he picked himself up and moved on. Dante was dumb enough to leave his father RELEASED SWORD & AMULET next to Trish IN THE DEMONWORLD. Nero was just being an over dramatic teenager Dante was being a full time DUMBASS.
 
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