I disagree. The story and characters aren't a mess, the timeline is. That's hardly the same. Actually, I wouldn't call that a mess, either, it's just not straight forward enough and the staff changed pretty much from game to game so a lack of communication left them misunderstanding each other. It seems to me that no one ever said 'this game takes place this long before or after this other' as much as simply saying before or after and everyone went to do their job with a different number in mind. It's hardly un fixable and it might just be up to interpretation.Good Lord!I deserve a prize!When I said DMC was mess and DMC didn't know NOTHING about the characters and story I was right.
This is catastrophic !
I forgot to mention one thing. The writer of the scenarios, Bingo Morihashi, said that the underlining theme of the original DMC series was love. It is always the pervading theme of the stories in each game.
In DMC1 it was "humanity" or human love, which is the broadest form of love there is.
In DMC2 it's about Dante's love for his father which he demonstrates when he protects something his father once protected.
In DMC3 it's the love of family, obviously. Itsuno disliked the idea of Lady killing Arkham because he believes no child should ever kill their parent but when Bingo presented her saying that it was her responsibility Dante took action and it stayed in the story.
In DMC4 it's a boy protecting his girlfriend. Bingo quotes a Japanese writer that says "I love you, so I love the city that you love" which is the reasoning Nero had for joined the Order and why he cares about any of it at all and it's how he pitched everything Nero did to the staff.
I disagree. The story and characters aren't a mess, the timeline is. That's hardly the same. Actually, I wouldn't call that a mess, either, it's just not straight forward enough and the staff changed pretty much from game to game so a lack of communication left them misunderstanding each other. It seems to me that no one ever said 'this game takes place this long before or after this other' as much as simply saying before or after and everyone went to do their job with a different number in mind. It's hardly un fixable and it might just be up to interpretation.
For example, the guy says DMC2 takes place 10 years after DMC1 so Dante is about 30 or so. Let's say that Dante is around 25 to 28, for the sake of argument. Which part of that statement are you going to focus your argument for Dante's age in DMC2, that he is 10 years older or that he is around 30? Either one is valid since, if I remember right, this comes from one of the designers so he made Dante in 2 with that frame of mind and his zig zag statement has more authority than any of ours.
I know.The same way I know those teams are commanded to do something, they do and, in the end, they give a damn about it.So, either way, I think no one cares as much as us, really.
is so empty and characterization so poor.:frown:
Every time we get a game , it barely connects with the rest, even characters change considerably, at the point of having more than one version of each other, but I disagree with you: canon is poor or/and bad developed.Allegories are just allegories: what you consider an allegory, others find it meaningless.Unless with "empty" you mean that there's little connection between the chapters, on which I'd agree is a shame.
If you mean they don't give a damn then I have to say that that is not true. If they didn't give a damn they wouldn't have worked so hard to make 3 such a great game after the mess they had in 2. It was the fact that they worked so hard on 3 that had them all so burned out and tired so that they were not up to full speed, plus new people joining in. It couldn't have been easy on them so something as trivial as exact time frames were probably the last thing on their minds.in the end, they give a damn about it.
Allegories are just allegories: what you consider an allegory, others find it meaningless.
DMC3 was their climax, where everything was so impressive, even the fine details of Vergil's clothes or the extraordinary scenarios. That's why I still thing they cannot deliver a new game which can compares to DMC3.If you mean they don't give a damn then I have to say that that is not true. If they didn't give a damn they wouldn't have worked so hard to make 3 such a great game after the mess they had in 2. It was the fact that they worked so hard on 3 that had them all so burned out and tired so that they were not up to full speed, plus new people joining in. It couldn't have been easy on them so something as trivial as exact time frames were probably the last thing on their minds.
Exactly. Even characters start to lose their depth( yes, I know some consider them very shallow). In DMC4 they become more flanderized and in DMC4Se they are simply empty dolls.( Sure , it's a special edition, but even so DMC3 special edition cutscenes had more meaning and content.)Then others would be wrong. Each game presents allegories that do, in fact, play an important part... in the story of that game. That's where the problem arises. Each story can be considered ok as a tale on its own but, aside from a very few instances, it always feels that the events of one game bear little to no significance to the next one.
Even characters start to lose their depth
DMC4Se they are simply empty dolls.( Sure , it's a special edition, but even so DMC3 special edition cutscenes had more meaning and content.)
You bet I will.take that word with a rock of salt, not just a grain
WHICH it was to be touched in DMC4 BUT they cut it off and replaced with long cutscenes of fanservice and Nero scream for Kyrie without any reason.At least we get to know that he did visit Fortuna and met the Order.
DMC4se came not only from the pleasure of seeing Vergil again, but finally finding out how Nero was born, but then again, this was denied.
There is a universal canon that connects all the stories, events that make them all the same world, but why do they all need to the same overall plot? Each game been it's own entity isn't such a bad thing.Every time we get a game , it barely connects with the rest, even characters change considerably, at the point of having more than one version of each other, but I disagree with you: canon is poor or/and bad developed.Allegories are just allegories: what you consider an allegory, others find it meaningless.
I don't agree. Not only have they done it once but they've grown as game makers in the 10 years since they've made that game, it's not like they only have enough in them to make on single game, ever, and then they have to retire. They just needed a break from DMC, a chance to recharge their batteries, which they didn't get since pretty immediately they got tossed into DMC4.DMC3 was their climax, where everything was so impressive, even the fine details of Vergil's clothes or the extraordinary scenarios. That's why I still thing they cannot deliver a new game which can compares to DMC3.
I think it's only a problem because people want to know more. At one point we didn't know that Nero was Vergil's son and we were angry at the story for not telling us. If we knew that Nero was Vergil's son we'd still be mad because we don't know who his mother is. If we knew who his mother was we'd want to know who her parents were or and if not we'd blame the story for been bad. I know there is a limit and what we got is the story at it's bare bones and little to no back story for those events but they aren't essential and they these games don't get the time, budget and manpower a Resident Evil game does.Then others would be wrong. Each game presents allegories that do, in fact, play an important part... in the story of that game. That's where the problem arises. Each story can be considered ok as a tale on its own but, aside from a very few instances, it always feels that the events of one game bear little to no significance to the next one.
Which can mean we have to wait YEARS to get something glorious to play.Hmmm...I don't agree. Not only have they done it once but they've grown as game makers in the 10 years since they've made that game, it's not like they only have enough in them to make on single game, ever, and then they have to retire. They just needed a break from DMC, a chance to recharge their batteries, which they didn't get since pretty immediately they got tossed into DMC4.
I'd would be happy for only knowing who is Nero's mother.After all, Vergil was/his an important character in the drama and has a significant fanbase.When we know how Vergil apparently was and we got the surprise he has a child with a HUMAN lady, it's more than natural we want to know how a "cold hearted guy" who seems so power driven, let love enter in his life. Since Nero is a hero and it's not uncommon to know hero's parents, we can just wait.If we knew who his mother was we'd want to know who her parents were or and if not we'd blame the story for been bad.
I agree, my dear friend, I agree! A simple and yet coherent story and a good gameplay.That's enough for meAs much as it hurts me to say it, I'll take years and a good game rather than a sub par game soon.
Yes, that's the payoff for quality, you either pay for it with time or money and DMC doesn't get to have money. Street Fighter and Resident Evil do.Which can mean we have to wait YEARS to get something glorious to play.Hmmm...
No one has said that Nero's mother was human, there is always a chance she's not. We all know Vergil is a proud man so it's unlikely that he went with just any woman, so, yes, it would be great to know who she was and how she ended at Fortuna and why she left Nero but maybe it's time to get used to the fact that we may never know. All the character have a secret history we're not aware of, that's just how it is, and all the games' stories will depends on sales of games, not plot holes, which means another game that anyone can play and understand without having played any of the others. The next game, if it happens, will not focus on giving us the answers we want, just telling the story it needs.I'd would be happy for only knowing who is Nero's mother.After all, Vergil was/his an important character in the drama and has a significant fanbase.When we know how Vergil apparently was and we got the surprise he has a child with a HUMAN lady, it's more than natural we want to know how a "cold hearted guy" who seems so power driven, let love enter in his life. Since Nero is a hero and it's not uncommon to know hero's parents, we can just wait.