Devil May Cry 4 Unified Speculation and Theory Thread

[Vergilissexy]

When was Dante ever incapacitated? And what ever happen to that little thing about him losing his memory?

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

Oh this was a misunderstanding. They did not say that he lost his memory, but rather since he(as usual) has not all the moves/etc. from the beginning it is like DMC3 Dante that each of us perfected lost his memory and had to learn the moves/styles all over again:lol:

 

[Vergilissexy]

Oh, well that weird. But what about the incapacitated thing?

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

I think he just said that as an example to explain the situation. Probably Dante must have got in a pretty tough situation for his body to not heal immediately and thus the blood to actually spill.

 

[$JP]

What, you don't know what that means? Being incapacitated means that someone is either unconcious or someone made somebody unconcious, it's not a straight definition that's just how I'm saying it. So what I'm saying is that Dante was either unconcious or the order possibly hired someone to make him unconcious so that they could get a sample from him to do experimentation on Nero which is what I think the secret connection between Nero and Dante is.

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

Maybe that is the key behind Dante's saying "Return it to me" meaning something connected with that.

 

[Zato-OW]

They have to be fighting over the Force Edge...thats the only Item from all the dmc's dante would really kill a human over(mabe his amulet also)

 

[Noxotic]

Haven't been here in a while, so I decided to post the Nero Theory that Dwarfkicker came up with on GFaqs. Im posting my original post from a topic that I made months ago.

THIS IS ALL DONE BY DWARFKICKER ON GAMEFAQS, NOT BY ME, SO ALL CREDIT GOES TO HIM FOR THIS THEORY AND IS IN NO WAY MINE.

Bite your tongue until you read it. I'm not saying that Nero isn't a new different character. He is.

What have we been hearing from Nero? His battle quotes. They sound so familiar. Someone on the devil's-lai boards just confirmed that with one of his taunts in the demo that he slides his thumb across his neck (sorta like the your dead motion) and says "Scum." We got a couple of Vergil quotes now.

That taunt just made this theory pop right into my head, and it works in two different ways.

Back in DMC3, Dante and Vergil were young (definitely so by appearance). Vergil challenged Mundus, and we all assume that Vergil lost (based on the fact that he is a mute and appears mind-wiped in DMC1 as Nero Angelo).

Now Nero is confirmed to be human, with his demonic powers being linked to his possesed arm.

My theory touches on the fact (not in the literal sense of the word) that Nero is Vergil's cast off humanity.

Think about it. Nero appears as if he would be around the same age as both Dante and Vergil in DMC3. Take into account he looks like a son of Sparda. Now it has been confirmed that Nero is not a son of Sparda. And technically he isn't. Being that he is a cast off he is still his own being, and his own new character. But they also say he has a deeper connection to Dante. Dante can't be brother's with a cast off. But he can be brother's with the person that cast off is linked to.

The first way to look at this is that Nero was created the moment Mundus turned Vergil into Nero Angelo. Vergil became a full demon here and his humanity was discarded and thrown away. The order of the sword discovers this orphened child, and raise him (specifically Kyrie). Nero has no memory of his parents, no memory of his past. And if he grew up as a child then it explains why Dante looks so much older than the cast off Nero, because it grew up.

It is stated that Dante is in his 30s in DMC4. Let's say he was 19 in DMC3, same age (obviously) as Vergil when he was corrupted and changed by Mundus. This gives us plenty of time for Nero to grow up to the point of age as Dante was in DMC3 if not a few years younger. A nice striking comparison as to why Nero is much younger than Dante in DMC4.

Now for his possesed arm. He says "from that day my arm changed and voice echoed..."( you know the rest). It could be the day that Dante finally beat Nero Angelo, that the devil cast off (that being Nero Angelo) could have found it's way back off to it's cast off humanity and tried to restablish a link, thus the fate of Nero's arm, and the Vergil-like quote. And from that day, Nero chose to hide his demonically infected arm by gloving it and putting it in a sling.

Okay, idea number two. Nero was created the moment Nero Angelo was apparently destroyed. His energies were restructured into a younger human, and was found with no memory of his life or anything. Being that he still has no parents he is still considered and orphen, and Kyrie looked after him. The way the arm works is that it wasn't a possession now, but an awakening. Like one day, the arm just awakened, and the voice echoed.

Nero's outfit appears violet, if not really dark blue. His vapor trail of his sword is blue when he swings it. The mussle flash of his gun is blue when fired. His quotes, which were taken right from Vergil in DMC3. The voice echoeing for power. All this is just added evidence for my theory.


Yes, all demons want power and so on and so forth. But Capcom is making such a big deal out that line. Nero's appearance is way too similar to young Dante and young Vergil. Plus the fact that the producer was kind enough to let slip out that Dante and Nero do infact actually have a connection.

I really think the cast off theory works the best out of all Nero=Vergil theories so far. Keep in mind, Nero is still a brand new character. As he is right now, as we have seen him, he is not Vergil, he is Nero.

Vergil does play a role in the game and the reason why they won't divulge his role is because it would be a spoiler. Telling us that Vergil is Nero would be a huge spoiler. And Itsuno in an interview always said he wanted us to play a game that centered on Vergil (DMC3SE interview). I think we're getting that Vergil game, and there's a chance that it won't be Dante we switch to as the story progresses but Vergil once he becomes whole again (that's not to say we won't be playing as Dante).

Awesome theory right?

Anyways, cool topic. Ups to the rep man.

 

[MVC2]

Nero's "Give me more power..." line is awfully similar to Vergil's words in the cutscene before the final fight in Devil May Cry 3. Maybe there's a connection here.

 

[Zato-OW]

Verigl:I need more power. Neroower,GIVE ME MORE POWER.
only thing that is similar is "more power" Vergil only wanted Spardas power because it was rightfully his by blood and also he wanted to Live up to his fathers name mabe by being as strong or stronger then his father. Theres no way that arm is vergil(my thoughts) and the arm was talking to nero so nero isnt exactly saying those words so idt nero has nothing to do with vergil.

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

Yes, from that line I only understand that if this is some kind of demon's voice, he is weakened/weak and wants to regain his power/to power up more.

 

[DemonSlayer6]

But to power up WHAT???

 

[Zato-OW]

Vergil wanted to power himself with his fathers power so he can be like his father. Nero hmm his arm just needs more power either to stay alive or to gain more control of nero's body...also i notice that nero is able to transform his arm into a more less mutated look only to hide it from the public.

 

[DemonSlayer6]

Where did ya here that from?

I thought he couldnt control his arm at all.

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

Do not double post.
Furthermore Nero seem to not understand what is the deal with the arm but as for controlling it, he does it just fine^_^

 

[DemonSlayer6]

.................
Nero is a human, with a demonic arm.
Dante is half human, half demon.
But if Nero has a demon arm and is full human howecome the arm doesnt change Nero and make him a complete demon throughout the entire game?
Sorry, that is the big question.

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

You never know, maybe that will happen^_^

Although it seems very Prince of Persia like

 

[Zato-OW]

Prolly Becase they are testing Devil Powers on Humans. Possibly Angus was testing the DB omn Nero without Nero knowing just to see the affects of what demon body parts will do to a human.

 

[DemonSlayer6]

Hmmmm, possible. Agnus could have had Nero at first and since he didnt want him as a son, he used him as a kinda experiment thingy. So when he experimented on him, the chemical or something had a side effect and Nero's arm got infected by it!! Mwahahaha!!
...................Sorry, I was just getting evil thoughts.......

 

[Vergilissexy]

Infected sounds more like a human thing. The arm is possessed not infected.