All about Dragon Ball/Z/GT/Super

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
1. How are you being logical when i gave you evidence that broke down both characters & compared the differences, durabilities, strengths, weaknesses & ran it through scientific data stating fact as to what it takes to cause such damage, move faster then light, etc.

Well Goku cannot survive a supernova or a planet destruction so there's clear evidence pointing out that he's physically weaker than superman who deals with that much power in daily basis.

2. Can explain why Vegeta's final flash destroyed half of PerfectCell but Vegeta himself couldn't damage him with punches or kicks?

That's because vegeta focused all his energy into that attack just like how krillin focused all his energy into his destrcto disk or like how piccolo focused his energy on his Makankosappo.

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

Based on the movie, its hard to say whether the Soul Destroyer/STardust Breaker is actually a Ki based attack. Its like the Spirit Bomb, which is not a Ki based attack.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
1. You & the supernova.

I was just trying demonstrate how Goku just cannot match superman's caliber.

2. I said that.& That focused ki attack was stronger than any punch or kick they threw.

yeah because Ki attacks are usually just concentrated energy blasts.

Energy can neither be created or destroyed ergo its only logical to assume that Ki attacks are not stronger than the characters using those attacks.

Based on the movie, its hard to say whether the Soul Destroyer/STardust Breaker is actually a Ki based attack. Its like the Spirit Bomb, which is not a Ki based attack.

Nah.. a spirit bomb is an attack which borrows energy from other living things.. Gogeta's finisher is just a concentrated Ki attack.

On a sidenote i don't think Super saiyan 4 is a technically a super saiyan form at all! its just a controlled oozaru form which has nothing to do with SSj3 so its more like an oozaru-super saiyan hybrid.

SSJ3 is technically the last "Super Saiyan" form as SSJ God seems to be just an unnatural powerup.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

THAT THESE CHARACTERS ARE CAPABLE OF DESTROYING PLANETS WITH THEIR FISTS, NOT FULLY POWERED UP!

They may be able to destroy planets but none of them can survive cosmic explosions only freiza's family seems to barely survive a low level planetary explosion.

Superman is a cosmic level entity and if you assess the show properly you'll realize that Goku clearly is not a cosmic level entity.

Superman just survived an explosion about 50 times the SIZE of Kepler's Supernova.

Superman can repair rips in reality with his static electricity.

Superman can hold black holes in his bare hands.. BLACK HOLES are infinitely denser than katchin

Black holes >> Katchin

DBZ characters have never performed such a feat and always remained under planetary levels and clearly show their limits.

Frieza destroys the planet with a Supernova.

HA HA HA are you effing kidding me? a supernova is an explosion of a Star at least 8 times bigger than the sun and 5 billion times brighter than the than Sun.. lol

Frieza's attack is not literally a supernova its just a Ki attack which is demonstrably restricted to the power of the smaller stars.

Ki attacks are directly proportional to the durability of the user.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
Whatever Rock, you're not even grasping the explanation.
You're still stuck on planet Namek exploding thing.

No its more like you don't get it... saiyans cannot survive planetary explosions or supernovas this is made very clear.. lack of oxygen would be least of concern when the entire planet blows up.

Superman fights cosmic level beings like sun eaters and darksied and has still tanked galaxy busting attacks and insane amounts of damage so clearly there's no room for debate here Superman curbstomps goku so hard its not even funny.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

doesn‘t frieza say the line i can breathe in space and you can‘t after he attacks the planets corre and says it has five minutes, meaning he knew goku would survive the explosion but would die cause he couldnt breath.Vegeta can breath in space as could nappa so vegeta coould as a ssj survive an exploding planet and just drift in space could he not?

 

[ROCKMAN X]

doesn‘t frieza say the line i can breathe in space and you can‘t after he attacks the planets corre and says it has five minutes, meaning he knew goku would survive the explosion but would die cause he couldnt breath.Vegeta can breath in space as could nappa so vegeta coould as a ssj survive an exploding planet and just drift in space could he not?

vegeta surviving in space was just non canon filler.
Goku obviously cannot survive a planetary explosion.
Okay really anyone else wondering why Goten&trunks didn't use fusion DBGT?

... DBGT could've been so better with Gotenks.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

pretty sure vegeta and nappa get out of there ships in space to blow up a planet in the manga and the anime the manga is canon so vegeta can breath in space

 

[ROCKMAN X]

pretty sure vegeta and nappa get out of there ships in space to blow up a planet in the manga and the anime the manga is canon so vegeta can breath in space

this one right?

its all filler buddy just look at how weirdly vegeta is colored here brown hair and green outfit?? lol

Frieza says the planet goes & so does the oxygen, no oxygen for Goku to breathe. The exploding of the planet wasn't the issue because it wouldn't have hurt either of them.

Nah that's dubbing error he says nothing about oxygen in the original version

Superman deals with cosmic beings having powers of unprecedented magnitude and goku is restricted to mere planets because he can't breathe in space.. lol ​

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
Yea suuuuure, guess you didn't the manga page i added.
Everyone gets it accept you.
2. And yea don't laugh cause it's still inconsistent with Superman either breathing or just holding his breath in space.

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In one shots shows he needs breathing assistance in space & in the next it shows Superman holding a conversation in space.
So don't sell Goku short when Superman has BS inconsistencies like this.

Well blame the different writers who constantly screw up Superman's powers...

But eitherway there's no denying the fact that Goku has never performed cosmic feats like superman.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
Whatever, i don't wanna hear anything about denial after the information i gave.
You're the last person to take about denial.

Goku can beat Superman
I gave proof & explanation, all you did was deny. So whatever.

Deny WTF are you talking about? all you're doing is overestimating Goku's abilities from what was actually shown in the comics.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

ding ding ding its the championship round lol

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
Really, because everything i've presented are facts based on the manga, anime, actual science, logic, metaphysics, ki energy, & the ideas acknowledged & accepted by or created from Akira Toriyama himself.

You've done nothing but repeat wild assumes, feats, opportunities &situations available, with no decent explanation other than IT's Superman.
At every turn i've given logical reasonable counters to your why it could or could not happen.
Your based reason was.....IT's Superman.

So i'm done trying to convenience you, i have all the information & answers i need to see why Goku would completely beat Superman.
Now it's your turn.

Convenience me why Superman would win.
When all the evidence i've gathered says otherwise then i ain't buying your reasoning.

Go for it Rock, convenience me.
Okay

Okay i'll list you feats of superman for the billionth time.

He is the second fastest being in the universe he can travel to alpha centauri in mere SECONDS,alpha centauri the is 4.37 lightyears which is roughly 25,689,613,100,000 trillion miles..

Goku cannot perform this feat without instant transmission(which is just teleportation anyway) so overall Goku cannot match Superman's insane speed.

Superman has survived planetary&nebula explosions and he shrugs it off like nothing he's also strong enough to contain a supernova from exploding and here we have DBZ characters who can't even survive planetary explosions.

Superman was able to beat Darkseid with his heat vision,Darkseid is a Godly character who can destroy galaxies.

All you can do is overpower Goku to ludicrous levels to make him even stand a fair chance against superman.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Rockman X has just performed a huge right haymaker can VampireWicked get up before the ten count lets find out on the next episode of Rockman X vs VampireWicked the eye of the tiger plays in the background ha ha ha

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

I found this on Youtube, another DBZ Mugan that is based on Dragon Ball Heroes constant new characters.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
Oh wait, The same source scientific info posted on page 55 explains how Superman doesn't have access to FTL: Faster Than Light .

Its logically impossible to travel this far in mere seconds without FTL speed superman doesn't teleport like goku so its definitely FTL speed.

Yes Superman is slower than Flash but he still has FTL speeds which is way faster than goku's maximum speed anyway and plus adding that to the fact that Superman also has ultra fast cognitive abilities&reflexes which would outsmart Goku's every move before he makes it.

I find it funny how you try to make it look as if Superman is weak but you are unable to show Goku's feats of such magnitude.

it's been shown Goku without instant transmission can move & has fought at FTL: Faster Than Light speeds.

No he hasn't the only thing Goku can do FTL is instant transmission.

WOW really, well i remember reading a post where a little dbz guy named froga, freddie, Frieza saying something like i can breath in space but you can't.

You're just using it as an excuse anyway,the matter of the fact is that goku cannot survive something of that magnitude and his power source is just stuff grown in planets whereas superman directly gets his powers from the stars.

Anyway these little blue dudes wer like totally stronger then him & they were getting like totally pummbled by this ugly hillbilly nerd guy like they were nothing

Supernova&nebula explosions are way more intense than a small planet blowing up.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Boom nutshot ha ha ha

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Ultra ultra ultra fatality finisher

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
I mean even Superman himself never said he was faster then a bullet in an instant & Even in front of the Sun Wonder Woman is STILL quicker (see her shove Kryptonite into Superman's face)

So that means wonder woman can also beat Goku as she can keep up with someone like superman.

Superman's can reach FTL speeds yes but not in an instant & so that would take him longer then you said.

How fast Superman can fly usually depends on the writer,if he uses his FTL speed on earth he would shatter the planet and warp time&space so he always limits his own speed for the sake of others but regardless he can increase his speed&strength almost indefinitely so there's no way for goku to get around someone like this.

Superman must stay just under the speed of light otherwise he would do no damage

doesn't that also mean that Goku cannot travel FTL without instant transmission or else he will also go into flux? its not like you can just pit these 2 characters together and apply different laws of physics for them that's asinine.

There are physical limits to the strength of the body itself

exactly! toriyama himself admits that goku is also bound by the same laws of physics that superman deals with.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

a huge roundhouse from rockman folks