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[The Final Offer]

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[Sparda's rejected son]

Wow J Stars looks like a super fun game! Yet another reason to be jealous of the Japanese.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
Nope sorry, ultimate Gohan is only stronger then a SuperSaiyan3 Gotenks.

Err.. you do realize that SSj3 gotenks is like 2 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku right?

He was out matched by a fused Gotenks & Piccolo combination absorbion.

Of course! how the hell is gohan supposed to fight someone who is like the fusion of 2 Super saiyan 3's?

Sorry but SuperSaiyan3 Goku beats ultimate Gohan.

Yeah maybe in some stupid fan-fiction..

Ultimate Gohan is way stronger than SSj2 vegeta&SSJ3Goku.

Oh and also Vegito immediately went Super sayian in the manga after fusion unlike the anime so it seems like vegito's base form wasn't as strong as shown in this anime filler.

In the manga or anime ultimate Gohan never made it to KidBuu, ultimate Gohan lost.

Except he clearly beat Super buu who was more stronger and intelligent than kid buu.

ultimate Gohan didn't have a power drain issue & STILL lost.

What's the point of this? gohan was fighting SSJ3 gotenks fused with Evil buu.

 

[The Final Offer]

You guys really shouldn't be arguing power levels. It's pointless if you don't follow the source material line for line event to event in chronological order.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
1. Uh no he's not.
Otherwise SuperSaiyan3 Gotenks would've defeated SuperBuu

Well he was about to but his silly attitude and 5 minute time limit of SSJ3 didn't let that happen.

SuperSaiyan3 Gotenks could NOT finish SuperBuu.

Contrary to your opinion.. it is blatantly clear that SSj3 Gotenks had a good chance to finish Super buu and was equally matched with him.

There was no two SuperSaiyan3s fused within SuperBuu LOL OMG.

I was referring to Super buu's power level which was as strong as SSJ3 Gotenks so its obviously a "Fusion" between SSj3 power levels.

ultimate Gohan isn't that ultimate.

Your opinion doesn't matter,both anime&manga blatantly makes it clear that Ultimate gohan is the strongest non-fused character.

4. REALLY? Because it looked like ultimate Gohan got his butt kicked & absorbed to me.

That's because this super buu was like fusion of 2 super saiyan 3's!

That's like finding the best damn girl in your life only to be taken away by some other rich snobby asshat because he has a ferrari.

The point is a SuperSaiyan3 Goku with power drain was STILL holding his own, while a non-power drain ultimate Gohan got his butt kicked by a SuperSaiyan3 Gotenks/Piccolo SuperBuu lol.

Soo.. what? lol gohan was figitng the equivalent of 2 super saiyan 3 fusion... it was pretty impressive that gohan managed to stay alive.

This is the "Power scale" for buu saga :-

1st tier characters: SSJ1Vegito > Super buu(Gohan absorbed)
2nd tier characters: Super buu(Gotenks absorbed)> Ultimate gohan > Super buu = Gotenks
3rd tier characters: Kid buu = SSj3 Goku > Fat buu > Majin vegeta
4th tier characters: SSj2 vegeta > kais and other pointless characters

Let's see if you disagree with my power scale >

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

According to the Manga and the Battle of Gods movie. The strongest good guys are:

SS God Son Goku

SS(?) Vegeta (when he gets mad at Beerus for slapping Bulma) (Stupid, just stupid)

Ultimate Gohan (Although he could be stronger than BoG Vegeta or equal. Its hard to tell)

SS3 Gotenks

SS3 Son Goku.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
In the movie Dragon Ball Z: Wrath of the Dragon, Gohan is shown "powering up" into his ultimate state on several occasions during the battle against Hirudegarn, neglecting his multiple available Super Saiyan transformations (Supplemental Daizenshuu says Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Super Saiyan 2). The databook Dragon Ball: Extreme

You're kidding me right? what're you going to say next? that broly is as strong as SSj Gogeta because he was shown fighting in a non-canon game intro?

Seriously you've gotta be kidding me if you think that some stupid non-canon movie with nerfed ultimate gohan has anything to do with the canon DBZ series.

As i said, ultimate Gohan isn't that ultimate.

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Wow.. what is this unintelligible website?
I just checked wrath of dragon on wikipedia its written by Takao Koyama,directed by Mitsuo hashimoto and distributed by Toei.. Akira had NOTHING to do with this "Goku time" nonsense Ultimate gohan is clear cut stronger than both SSJ3 gotenks&SSJ3 Goku.

According to the Manga and the Battle of Gods movie. The strongest good guys are:

Wait.. isn't bills technically a good guy? so he's the strongest character in all of DBZ universe
followed by God Goku.

SS(?) Vegeta (when he gets mad at Beerus for slapping Bulma) (Stupid, just stupid)

Not really... just because vegeta landed a few punches in doesn't mean he's stronger than gohan.​

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

None of them can do the splits like van dam me though ha ha ha honestly though I would have to agree ultimate gohan is stronger than ssj3 goku in the majin buu saga.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
And yet you believe a public wiki edited by anyone.

lol Nope i just read the credits

:wink:

Yeah sorry, i'm sticking to my sources.

Yeah like the ending credits or the DVD cover perhaps?

I mean seriously Rock you're comparing UltimateGohan who has full control over all his abilities & doesn't suffer from the power drain to an adult SuperSaiyan3 Goku who doesn't know what a SuperSaiyan3 level is fully capable of & suffer tremendous power drain on a living body.

What does power drain have to do with the obvious power gap between Goku&gohan ? lol

Yeah I'm still going with SuperSaiyan3 Goku is more powerful then UltimateGohan..

Supported only by a non-canon movie which directly contradicts with established facts in series.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
UltimateGohan is a mastered level.
SuperSaiyan3 isn't fully tapped, nowhere near mastered yet.

how is Ultiamte gohan "mastered" and goku isn't ? if anything goku has more experience with SSj3 than gohan has experience with his newfound powers.

Ultimate is Gohan's SuperSaiyan3 form, he has full control over it & still was beaten.

Ultimate gohan is just gohan with his full potential released.

Goku's SuperSaiyan3 form has a tremendous power drain from the start of the transformation, so you can't really say Ultimate is stronger when SuperSaiyan3 isn't fully optimized yet.

lol that's like saying Mr Satan had a stomach ache so that he was unable to beat Cell.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

That's why MajinVegeta, Ultimate Gohan, transformed so easily for their first time.

That's debatable.. its not known whether vegeta obtained SSj2 with or without majin spell most likely he was able to do it earlier but was still weaker.

Goku hadn't mastered SuperSaiyan3 yet, Gohan was handed mastery over Ultimate

I don't get it so what? SSj3 Goku's powers are still not comparable to Gohan's anyway he clearly admits that he'll be killed if he fought Super buu and gohan easily defeated super buu.

only stronger then a child SuperSaiyan3 Gotenks

Do you not realize how insanely powerful SSj3 gotenks really is? SSJ1 Gotenks is already as strong as SSj3 Goku.

But it doesn't matter if you or whoever thinks Ultimate Gohan is stronger because we all know Goku like it or not is the strongest, will remain the strongest..

Well you are technically correct because God goku is stronger than Ultimate gohan but SSj3 goku is nowhere near ultimate gohan

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Have a beer and chill guys ha ha this isn't a debate championship ye can agree to disagree.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Well if it is nonsense I reckon chuck Norris could take super vegito out with one beard punch

 

[ROCKMAN X]

1. Like i said, show proof.

There is no proof.. vegeta could or could not have achieved SSJ2 before majin spell.

You can't know 100% that Ultimate is stronger when SuperSaiyan3 doesn't use the full potential.

SSj3 goku did try his best to beat kid buu but was unable to..

Super buu is stronger than kid buu and Gohan easily overpowered him so i don't see how gohan cannot easily beat goku.

Explain how you think a SuperSaiyan3 child with less then a weeks worth of experience based on two half Saiyan children with a couple of years fighting history, is stronger then an Adult SuperSaiyan3 with years of experience, based on an Adult with a lifetime of fighting experience ?

Well its simple! its bad writing,Gotenks is insanely powerful because he just is.

lol No Rock, you know 100% SuperSaiyan3 Goku surpasses Ultimate Gohan.

How is that even possible? goku doesn't stand a chance against Super buu what makes you think he has a chance against gohan?

Well if it is nonsense I reckon chuck Norris could take super vegito out with one beard punch

Too bad chucky still can't touch this guy

Bruce lee >> Bills (FACT)

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

@ef9 o shea
OH NO YOU DIDN'T lol.

What is with the chuck Norris fanlove lol.

I don't like Norris I was just messin ha ha but read the chuck Norris facts thread and u will see why it is a **** take of chuck

 

[ROCKMAN X]

2. YEA, He tried but was dealing with the power drain.
You can't fight your best when your power is getting drained away.

It doesn't matter even without the power drain Goku is still no match for Gohan.

3. Oh well just clears it all up, whatever lol.

Yeah exactly its hard to comprehend but its true that Trunks&goten did nothing and achieved something which Gohan,vegeta&goku struggled to get.

Ultimate Gohan is only slightly stronger than SuperSaiyan3 Gotenks

Err.. no i don't think gohan is just "Slightly stronger" no no no! SSj3 gotenks was evenly matched with Super buu and also had the chance to beat him gohan came and completely annihilated Buu..

So i don't think gohan was just "slightly" stronger he's wayy stronger than gotenks and gotenks as you know it already was stronger than SSJ3 goku(Dead or alive).

SuperSaiyan3 Goku remains stronger than Ultimate Gohan.

It looks like you've made up your mind let's agree to disagree.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
1. Ultimate Gohan, SuperSaiyan2 Gohan, SuperSaiyan3 Gotenks, you believe what you but who is it that usually saves the day & gets the final shot in or assists in getting the final shot in?

Goku may save the day but he's not the strongest character.

He's weaker than Superman
He's weaker than Ultimate Gohan
He's weaker than Gotenks
He's weaker than Super buu
He's weaker than Bills

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Doesn't't goku make a statement to super buy when the boys fusion wears off and he is left with piccolos powers as well as his own you don't think you can beat me like tat now do you meaning he could beat super Buu too. he only says they will be killed fighting him to vegeta after buu absorbs gohan.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Doesn't't goku make a statement to super buy when the boys fusion wears off and he is left with piccolos powers as well as his own you don't think you can beat me like tat now do you meaning he could beat super Buu too. he only says they will be killed fighting him to vegeta after buu absorbs gohan.

That's a dub error.. in the original goku says "Now Gohan can beat you"

Super buu is stronger than kid buu but lacks the tenacity&recklessness.

@ROCKMAN X
1. It was proven how BS ScrewAttack's calculations were, & only a Superman solar charged for 100yrs would win.

They partnered Kanzenshuu to do the calculations so i don't think its biased.

Logically speaking sun or any star is the best source for energy in our universe.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
It was very inaccurate. They severely underestimated Goku or the DragonBallZ universe altogether.
ScrewAttack didn't understand that Superman is based on physical strength alone & the faster he goes the more his mass increases.

Superman can take supernovas to the FACE!.. Goku would die if he goes into the sun.