All about Dragon Ball/Z/GT/Super

[ROCKMAN X]

You mean DragonBallGT didn't have a manga behind it, however it is official as Akira Toriyama did work on some of & let it go.
So sorry DragonBallGT is official.
And I think corrupting a spirit ball is very plausible.

DBGT is official but it isn't canon,akira toriyama never wrote anything in GT,he is the one who came up with the idea of spirit bomb and Ki attacks so he's the only one who can decide whether or not it is possible to corrupt a spirit ball.

Whatever toei wrote is like fan-fiction&non-canon much like most of the movies.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Because basically it continues from the DragonBallZ anime.

DBZ is based on comics and they were written by akira toriyama and those comics ended at Z.

DBGT&all the movies are pretty much like All star batman which is non-canon.

Even worse is the fact that GT has the movie villains appear which is already non-canon&contradictory to the original storyline :-

So everything that happen in GT followed the same principles, the same character continuity, Akira Toriyama designed SuperSaiyan4, it's true to the DragonBall universe.

Akira didn't write anything in GT so its still non-canon and not to mention the copious amounts of plotholes.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
It remains an official part of the DragonBall anime series, so therefor it's official.

Its official yes,but not canon.

All Star batman might be officially published by DC but its not part of the canon.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

It still sucked big time

 

[ROCKMAN X]

GT isn't a continuation of the manga, but it continues the anime.

Well that makes no sense,anime was based on the manga so there's only one canon storyline which ends with the manga.

Its not like anime had a different storyline like hellsing anime,DBZ anime followed the manga's storyline 100% so it has only one canon.

Movies,filler and DBGT are not part of the canon.

It still sucked big time

it was like watching 64 episodes of filler.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Manga, comic, are at times separate universes from cartoon & anime format.

No they're not,that's absurd anime is an adaption of the source material so it shares the same canon,unless anime has a divergent storyline like hellsing anime it doesn't have a different canon.

For ex:You have DMC 1 Novel and DMC 3 which one do you think is "Canon"? this is the same different between DBZ and GT.

Yup DragonBall & DragonBallZ followed the manga storyline, & DragonBallGT continued that storyline just wasn't based on the manga but based off the anime which as you said followed the manga.
So.............GT is officially part of the DragonBall storyline

Your logic makes 0% sense i already told you filler,GT and movies are NOT CANON,ergo they aren't part of the same universe.

The events of the movies never happened,bulma never gets turned into a frog,pikkon doesn't exist,super 13 doesn't exist etc etc

 

[ROCKMAN X]

You're free to believe what you want.

I'm not.. i'm merely stating the facts there is only one canon for Dragonball and that's the storyline of the comics.

It wasn't a movie, it wasn't a fan made series. GT aired & Akira Toriyama let it.

So what? it has the same level of canonicity of movies/filler.

Its not written by the Akira toriyama&it is NOT the part of original comics,hence non-canon it doesn't matter if its a movie or a whole series it still is non-canon regardless.

"official" doesn't mean "canon" movies are also "Officially licensed" but they clearly have nothing to do with the timeline of the TV series.

Toriyama himself referred to GT as a "side story of the original Dragon Ball"

Exactly "Side-story' not a direct continuation of the canon.

Toriyama also came up with the character designs for broly and that doesn't make him least bit canon same goes for DBGT&SSJ4.

DBGT is a cesspit of continuity errors&plotholes its best to just say that its non-canon and call it a day.

otherwise how do you explain retarded scenes like this :-

Goku has to go SSj4 to move a building? base Goku from Namek saga could do that! this is bullshit.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

And i'm saying that storyline continued passed DragonBallZ & into GT.

And that's still non-canon.

2. And sorry but out of the 3, DragonBallGT has the least inconsistencies.
DragonBall inconsistencies

HA HA HA are you kidding me? the power levels in GT are laughable.

Gohan the most powerful character in the end of DBZ is suddenly irrelevant?

Fusion of Majin buu&Kid buu(uub) is irrelevant? power levels in GT is simply asinine it make no sense,weak pathetic characters like pan gets the main role when she clearly can't even go Super saiyan,she should have been like killed in one punch by the enemies.

Not to mention GT has Sh!t ton of absurd inconsistencies like this:-

Nappa could blow up a city i don't know why SSj4goku finds that "impressive" but then again its the same goku who has trouble lifting a building :facepalm:

Dende needs "First aid kit"

Not to mention Afterlife hell is FILLER ONLY and yet in DBGT you can see super 17&others escaping hell when its clearly established in the original manga that bad guys don't get their bodies back only good people like goku get their bodies back after their death.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

To you & a few others maybe, but not everyone agrees with you.

Its not just a matter of opinion akira toriyama has clearly stated that movies,filler and DBGT has nothing to do with his comics they're merely "Side stories" and "What if's".

Especially since Akira Toriyama let it go, came up with the Dragon Ball GT name, designed the appearances of the main cast.

He did the same for all the movies&Filler too and still they are non-canon so i don't see how DBGT gets a free pass.

All Drawn by toriyama and still non-canon.

I mean by your logic it's not part of the DragonBall storyline because he didn't actually write it, so does that make every Superman, Batman, or DC comic unofficial because the original creators & original writers never wrote any of them.

Except i've shown your examples when Batman comics have different canon like frank miller's batman has NOTHING to do with New52 Batman.

The same logic goes here DBZ's story ended with the comics,the animated sequel is therefore NON-CANON.

DarkSouls2 wasn't done by the original DarkSouls director Hidetaka Miyazaki, so that makes it non-canon as you say.

The canon isn't decided by the director in that case,however in the case of DBZ it is decided by the original author.

Ok then, by your logic all the Superman, Batman, DC comic titles that wasn't done by the original creators & original writers, they just don't exist.

Except they all have DIFFERENT CANONS!

This Batman has nothing to do with this Batman :-

And this Gohan

has nothing to has nothing to do with
this weakling gohan

.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

As said you're free to believe whatever you want, as for others it is seen as continuing the DragonBall universe as it was a new chapter to it.

By your logic even DB:multiverse is "canon" because it is a sequel to the manga.

In the anime format DragonBall GT is officially part of the DragonBall universe.
Like it or not.

I've already told you multiple times DBZ has only one canon and that's the original comics anime is just an adaptation of that so when the comics end so does the anime.

I would have made a special case for DBGT if it was written by akira toiryama but it clearly wasn't so no its non-canon.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

DragonBall GT was the end to the DragonBall saga, it was just a different format.

But it has no source material and its all made up by writers of Toei animation company.

There is no argument here really,battle of Gods clearly declares DBGT as "Non-canon" pilaf&mai are turned into kids whereas in DBGT they are shown to be old.

Not to mention Super saiyan GOD is never mentioned in DBGT and therefore is non-canon

Plus Gohan is mystic in Battle of Gods!

So there Battle of Gods blows GT out of water.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

1. The DragonBall, & DragonBallZ animes are it's source material, they were used to build & end the DragonBall anime series.

No it isn't GT isn't based on any manga or comic unlike Dragon ball&DBZ.

If you're going to say that DBGT is a canon part of Dragonball saga then you also have to accept all the other movies and filler.

DragonBallZ battle of the gods was created after GT

It doesn't matter when it was created,it is a canon movie written by akira toriyama and it directly contradicts with the events in GT.

In GT pilaf gang is old,gohan doesn't have his unlocked powers and super saiyan God is never mentioned when it is the next "canon" super saiyan form.

GT SS4 = Non canon
SSGod = Canon Super saiyan 4

Akira Toriyama can create anything after anything & say anything previously never happened.

Exactly,he created battle of Gods which means DBGT "never happened".

It just adds to the fact of how inconsistent he is & how the DragonBall series concepts aren't well thought out.

Not really this is not a minor inconsistency its a giant contradiction.

Not that GT ever held any water in terms of canonity to begin with but battle of gods clearly nails the final nail in the coffin.

Besides battle of the gods was a DragonBall Z movie.

No... its not "just a movie"
It's been confirmed that it's part of the official history of dragonball saga unlike other movies it has been written&closely supervised by akira toriyama.

So until Akira Toriyama creates a DragonBall series that puts up where DragonBall Z ended, DragonBall GT will remain as the ending.

lol he doesn't need to! he just needs to create one canon movie which openly flips the bird to GT.Heck,the plotholes&inconsistencies in GT like gohan being weak is alone good enough evidence that it is non-canon.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

I didn't say based off the comic or manga, I said ANIME.
GT uses the DragonBall & DragonBall Z anime as a material source for it.

Your circular logic makes no sense,anime is a direct adaptation of the manga therefore it logically cannot have a separate canon for anime if it an adaption of manga.

You're just someone who didn't like how GT turned out & don't wanna acknowledge it..

I don't see why i should,no one acknowledges filler.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
1. What's so difficult to understand, Akira Toriyama gave GT the go ahead & BOOM it ended the series.

No it didn't "End" anything it already ended with the comics.

It wasn't an alternate universe, they didn't create GT without his permission, Akira Toriyama even designed the characters.

Bullshit! it is an alternate universe he also designed broly,super 13,bojack,pikkon and many other movie characters but they ARE NOT part of the official DBZ storyline.

If DBGT is part of Canon then so are all the movies&filler.

So blame him for not making it clear the entire GT anime was a waste of time & absolutely wasn't part of anything.

i don't think i have to blame akira for something that Toei animation company did for money.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
The DragonBallZ movie weren't related as nothing in the anime series referred to any of it.

Yeah they were they took place right in the timeline of TV series for ex bojack movie took place right after the defeat of cell.

DragonBall GT identified the previous DragonBallZ anime chapter pick up & continued then ended it.

It is not canon to begin with so it ended nothing.

Dragon Ball Z's official canon still is stuck at the manga.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
It's because you don't like Vegeta's haircut in GT right.

Nah its because its not canon lol

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

Porntache Vegeta is the best God loving thing ever!

Period.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
You know it's the hair.

Anyway, hair question.
A full blood Saiyan's hair will reach a max length & grow no longer right.
That doesn't mean when cut it'll only grow that reduced length ?

Its not just the hair or the other crappy character designs,its the awful writing that finally gets to me as i said earlier it was like watching 64 episodes of filler not a canon DBZ show.

And if the creator of show itself doesn't consider it canon then i have no reason to consider it either,its good too see DBZ series finally getting a "canon" super saiyan 4 and different ending than GT.

Porntache Vegeta is the best God loving thing ever!Period.

I disagree

Biker Vegeta <<< Pink shirt Vegeta

Vegeta makes men wearing pink shirt look cool!

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

Nothing says I'm the Prince of a dead race, and I'm short like that damn pink shirt! Lol

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Let's just admit it guys we like DBGT because it has SSj4 .

And the ending.....