All about Dragon Ball/Z/GT/Super

[cheezMcNASTY]

My mistake. I can be pretty bad at recognizing sarcasm in text. I'm not really talking about whether the game is actually good or not... all right, all right. I'll try to explain it one more time.

Normally I'd be first in line to swing at the IGN piñata with my verbal mallet, but not this time. Maybe its just me, but I like the fact that the reviewer wasn't a fan of the franchise. As much as I love DBZ and DBZ games (I own the one in question) I think his lack of involvement helped him hold it to the same standards as any other video game.

Again, I could be crazy here, but it sounded like a lot of his points were valid (though they don't really bother me when I play, being a fan and all). Finally, I love the fact that IGN actually rated anything lower than a 7. I take it as proof that there are actual human beings running that circus and they remember that they are supposed to be grading on a ten-point scale.

Okay, okay. But in all seriousness, it means they did something that wasn't covered in corporate grime. Gamers usually only care about reviews for the games that they are fans of/buying already. It takes balls to make a review saying the game is bad when you know the majority of people who see it will be upset. And the world of game reviewing needs some balls.

You've been right about one thing: the reviewers opinion doesn't matter. At the end of the day you either enjoy it or you don't. That being said, can't we just agree that there's room in the world for game reviewers who dare to give low ratings?

 

[ROCKMAN X]

And the world of game reviewing needs some balls.
can't we just agree that there's room in the world for game reviewers who dare to give low ratings?

They can be dardevils i don't care.... i'll kick them in the balls and i'll buy the game i wish

They give the most unoriginal,non-innovative,mostly milked FPS/RPG series 9+ every year with their stupid reasons whereas i don't find their 9+ games any enjoyable at all

They're just individuals who think their opinion matters well it doesn't..

Honestly it doesn't really matter if he's a fan of dbz or not i didn't even know anything about Dbz until i played DBZ Budokai 3 with my roommate and i loved the game anyway.. played it late night then i got into dbz then i got BT3

What he said was complete BS

>> he said 'only for specific audience' which is NOT true
>> he said backgrounds are ugly which isn't
>> he said 'its a fighter but not a good one' LOL Way to be biased !!

Alteast he could've said 'its a average fighter but NO He had to insult it but saying it isn't even a 'good fighter'

and this game is button mashing if he can't press the buttons faster and avoid attacks then he's a NOOB ! not that gameplay is flawed his gaming skills are ! and look at how lazy he is he says he can't play single player to unlock stuff what a lazy gamer

and i also hate how he says 'small minority' of people Dbz fanbase is larger than any call of duty or battlefield fanbase

you can easily find many underrated games in IGN just go there find some...

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

I always take reviews with a grain of salt and pepper because I've loved games that IGN has hated. Like Cheese said it comes down to what you personally like in a game. In some ways I like RB2 over BT3. *Prepares for sh@t storm*

 

[ROCKMAN X]

I always take reviews with a grain of salt and pepper because I've loved games that IGN has hated. Like Cheese said it comes down to what you personally like in a game. In some ways I like RB2 over BT3. *Prepares for sh@t storm*

lol RB2&BT3 are almost exactly the same except for some changes here and there

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

lol RB2&BT3 are almost exactly the same except for some changes here and there

Correct. I like the little changes RB2 made expect for the smaller roster.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Correct. I like the little changes RB2 made expect for the smaller roster.

yeah most important thing was that they gave ultimate gohan a rush attack

But God i hate these broly fanboys they keep overrating him and start comparing him with ssj3 goku

 

[ROCKMAN X]

WHOA!
Wait.......HELLO! That's DragonBallZ fans do.
DragonBallZ fans do exactly the same thing with Ultimate Gohan, *he makes me wanna puke by the way*
DragonBallZ fans overrated Ultimate Gohan like he was the be all & end all of the Saiyan race, the strongest DragonBallZ non-fused character alive & we proved it was BS.
DragonBallZ fans do the same with Vegeta, with Super Saiyan 4 Goku.
That's what DragonBallZ fans do lol, everyone has favorites don't fault them for it.

No that's still stupid

Ultimate gohan can easily match Super buu

and we all know that ssj3 goku also can also match super buu evenly hence its proved that

Ultimate gohan = ssj3

he isn't the strongest but he's still as strong as an average ssj3 he's equal in power to ssj3 goku

BUT NO broly fans bring their stupid ASS logic from dubbing errors,stupid wikias and other fabricated facts just to prove that Broly is strogah

There is no Direct proof or feat which proves that Broly is any stronger than a MSSJ the debate of broly is done to death but idiotic fanboys just won't stop trolling others

If broly was as strong as a ssj2 he would've killed Goten&Kid trunks in one punch like gohan did to cell juniors

 

[cheezMcNASTY]

They can be dardevils i don't care.... i'll kick them in the balls and i'll buy the game i wish

They give the most unoriginal,non-innovative,mostly milked FPS/RPG series 9+ every year with their stupid reasons whereas i don't find their 9+ games any enjoyable at all

They're just individuals who think their opinion matters well it doesn't..

So we can agree that the game reviewing industry could use some sprucing up. A bit more honesty would really help, no? Maybe that wildly popular FPS/RPG series needs to have some points docked regardless of how fans might react to it.

Honestly it doesn't really matter if he's a fan of dbz or not i didn't even know anything about Dbz until i played DBZ Budokai 3 with my roommate and i loved the game anyway.. played it late night then i got into dbz then i got BT3

That's your personal opinion. An experience. An instance. Not a universal law. I'm glad you had that positive experience and I agree that the DBZ games are a lot of fun. I have news. YOU are biased. We all are. Being biased isn't a legitimate reason to discredit a review, because all of them are biased. Reviews exist because a lot of people enjoy having other people's opinions at their disposal if they are too busy/can't be bothered to research things themselves. Are all gamers fans of DBZ? No. But I'll bet you that anyone considering to buy this game is a gamer, therefore the game has to be judged on its merits as a video game.

What he said was complete BS

>> he said 'only for specific audience' which is NOT true
>> he said backgrounds are ugly which isn't
>> he said 'its a fighter but not a good one' LOL Way to be biased !!

Alteast he could've said 'its a average fighter but NO He had to insult it but saying it isn't even a 'good fighter'

>>He said only for a specific audience because he did not enjoy the game, but fans (i.e. specific audience) would enjoy it.
>>I agree with him that the backgrounds are simplified and repetitive, if that's his definition of ugly. A lot more work could have put into making them unique, but there really is no difference in how any of the stages function.
>>Are you a broken record? Biased =/= bad in this case. He thought it was bad, hence the rating. They have numbers as low as 5.5 specifically for games that are not good in their eyes. He would be no less biased if he he gave it a good rating, therefore his bias does not matter. It's acceptable. It's necessary in a review of anything.

and this game is button mashing if he can't press the buttons faster and avoid attacks then he's a NOOB ! not that gameplay is flawed his gaming skills are ! and look at how lazy he is he says he can't play single player to unlock stuff what a lazy gamer

and i also hate how he says 'small minority' of people Dbz fanbase is larger than any call of duty or battlefield fanbase

you can easily find many underrated games in IGN just go there find some...

Again, this isn't focused on which one of those companies makes more money; it's focused on which game sells more copies and is therefore of greater significance to gamers. I dare you to suppose Raging Blast 2 outsold Modern Warfare 3 or Battlefield 3 (not a fan of either game, mind you).

 

[ROCKMAN X]

So we can agree that the game reviewing industry could use some sprucing up. A bit more honesty would really help, no? Maybe that wildly popular FPS/RPG series needs to have some points docked regardless of how fans might react to it.

Again, this isn't focused on which one of those companies makes more money; it's focused on which game sells more copies and is therefore of greater significance to gamers. I dare you to suppose Raging Blast 2 outsold Modern Warfare 3 or Battlefield 3 (not a fan of either game, mind you).

If they're being honest can't they use a more subtle and causal approach to the game ?

I mean they either glorify and over-hype a game or else they just flatout trash some of the good games which is why i don't like them anymore

perhaps i was talking about DBZ anime/manga fanbase which is MUCH larger than any Battlefield or MW fanbase but that doesn't guarantee the sales of a game based on it

 

[cheezMcNASTY]

If they're being honest can't they use a more subtle and causal approach to the game ?

I mean they either glorify and over-hype a game or else they just flatout trash some of the good games which is why i don't like them anymore

perhaps i was talking about DBZ anime/manga fanbase which is MUCH larger than any Battlefield or MW fanbase but that doesn't guarantee the sales of a game based on it

I don't really see the need to draw a correlation between what his opinions are and how he chose to express them unless we're saying he should be softening his opinion for fear of offending people. In that case, not really, but like a review that's a matter of opinion. We can agree to disagree.

Yes. Game reviewing has turned into a place of extremes. A lot of the games that get neutral 7 or 8 scores should be, but they are not. Instead they get a casual, toned down version of praise.

Now if we're talking about people who enjoy/have enjoyed the DBZ franchise in any or all of its forms, then you may have yourself a case. You're right, that wouldn't really extend into game sales which is a more sensible figure to look at in this case.

I agree with cheezMcNASTY, there needs to be an overhaul of game reviewers. ​

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There's to many fanboys doing the reviewing & too many poor quality games are graded on a curve mixed with denial getting high reviews scores *cough SKYRIM cough* ​

While games the reviewers aren't fans of are victim to noticed flaws which are far less than certain titles, & a more harsh truthful review resulting in lower scores. ​

This is why i don't base my purchases on so-called professional reviewers opinions because they're pretty much there using that influence to sway public opinion & get paid for doing so.​

I'm glad I'm not the only one who is bothered by this. I invite you to look at the video reviews on YouTube. Every negative IGN review of a game series with a wide following is slammed with dislikes (KH2 for example). I would be pretty angry if I saw that the latest movie game got a perfect 10, I bought it based on that fact, and the reviewer just happened to be an enormous fan of the movie and rated it on that basis. As a fan, I think we have a duty in these cases to set aside how much we love something for the greater good.

 

[Dark Drakan]

I agree with cheezMcNASTY, there needs to be an overhaul of game reviewers. ​

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There's to many fanboys doing the reviewing & too many poor quality games are graded on a curve mixed with denial getting high reviews scores *cough SKYRIM cough* ​

While games the reviewers aren't fans of are victim to noticed flaws which are far less than certain titles, & a more harsh truthful review resulting in lower scores. ​

This is why i don't base my purchases on so-called professional reviewers opinions because they're pretty much there using that influence to sway public opinion & get paid for doing so.​

I agree to an extent though ive loved Skyrim and like all the reviewers I would have scored it highly based on my playtime & experiences. Be hard to knock points off a game based on bugs that some people may or may not ever experience, which is why they mention there are some bugs in reviews but cant score something down for it. Especcily when its on multiple platforms, they might have to add footnotes about certain issues appearing more on one platform than another which they already do. Or if something has became a large problem like the lag issue that only happened on the PS3 version of Skyrim for example. In this day and age some bugs and issues can be fixed with patches so people would have to constantly edit reviews to mirror this.
(^Not just referring to Skyrim in this paragraph^)

Some reviewers Some fanboys of series end up scoring the series much to high because they love the series rather than scoring it on its own merit or its actual game mechanics. I dont think the industry should suddenly start being overly strict and giving everything a 5 just to prove a point but taking each game and scoring it on its own merit would be more helpful to consumers.

Sequels should be measured against how much they have improved from the last game. Also their genre taken into account, for example football games cant change that much gameplay wise but they can have noticable improvements from previous games in other ways. I play Fifa for example and though on the surface they dont change much each year and only so much they can do with them. They update the systems and fix issues from previous games every year and there are more things going on behind the surface than none fans would notice. Just one example however...

Lots of reviewers I know and have spoken to personally have been reviewing games for 10/20 years but again their views are their own opinions. Only the facts about gameplay/ game mechanics are set in stone and dont change person to person so these are the things I read reviews for. Not the persons own views about story etc as everyone enjoys different things and one person might love a story in one game someone else may hate it. Both are opinions and neither is right or wrong its based on the personal opinion & it will forever split gamers.

Ive played most DBZ games over the years and they got better to a point and have now just been mediocre for years. Im a fan and I love the TV series but the games need a huge overhaul to be any good and I wont buy another until some effort goes into the game mechanics. Havent enjoyed the last 3 or 4 games at all to be honest, just seem to be cheap cash ins.

 

[Dark Drakan]

I also agree with Dark Drakan *HAHA! it took a mention of Skyrim to get you *​

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:lol: I view this thread a lot and im an avid DBZ fan but been so long since I watched it I wouldnt be able to add as much detail as everyone else here seems to. Got my step son into it though, so ive been rewatching it with him and bringing back some fond memories.

Problem is however the average gamer won't care about a review that comes off to technical. You go into something to worded about gameplay mechanics & you've lost half the audience. ​

That's not what the average gamer looks for when buying games. Enjoyable fun & with decent controls, & will read reviews that simply covers that point. ​

Thats what hands on previews are for, to get a feel for the gameplay mechanics and how things in the game work etc. Still needs to be touched upon in reviews though as it the main thing being reviewed should be the gameplay mechanics and how it plays.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

I don't really see the need to draw a correlation between what his opinions are and how he chose to express them unless we're saying he should be softening his opinion for fear of offending people. In that case, not really, but like a review that's a matter of opinion. We can agree to disagree.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who is bothered by this. I invite you to look at the video reviews on YouTube. Every negative IGN review of a game series with a wide following is slammed with dislikes (KH2 for example). I would be pretty angry if I saw that the latest movie game got a perfect 10, I bought it based on that fact, and the reviewer just happened to be an enormous fan of the movie and rated it on that basis

Exactly !!

I agree they just have to be 100% honest with their reviews (without being a fan) in a more reasonable manner so that people would listen to the reviewer

The dislike bar yeah I've noticed that too many reviews of IGN has got alot of dislikes

Its not necessary to buy everything related to your beloved franchise though... unless of you're an extreme collector

 

[Autumn]

Yeah that's the one, at least it wasn't this,

I had that DVD (note the word 'had') back in the day. I'm sure it was called something like Super Battle in the World or something equally stupid XD Such a shame, I was so excited seeing a DBZ movie in HMV...

 

[ROCKMAN X]

I recognise a few of the voices, real great actors but they make it sound 10x more cheesy than it is lol.
That's why i only get the official anime dubs.

Toei's dub is the best given for the great OST it has

i still can't believe it that Dbz is from 1980's

Actually i have an idea why don't they just remake the whole Dbz series removing all the fillers,scenes making it more like manga ??

In that way they can make awesomely animated fights avoiding animating other stuff

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Like Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood ? ​

That's what my friends thought DragonBallZ Kai was. ​

They're very sad it wasn't lol.​

TBH i don't really like FMA it has good story and fight scenes but it seems like it doesn't want to be series rather it always has this kid-friendly 'charming' theme which puts me to sleep

Dbz kai's dub is okay but i can't bear the cowboy music it uses -_-"

off-topic :

now this is a honest review

 

[cheezMcNASTY]

I thought FMA was almost too gruesome. By the end of two episodes you've seen two kids lose their mom, try to bring her back from the dead, and get horribly disfigured in graphic detail. Granted the fight scenes themselves aren't always that gore, but they are always elaborate and usually require a basic understanding of chemistry to see exactly what dots the creator was connecting. Not to mention that (spoiler, highlight) the oh-so-lovable Hughs gets killed and we see his family go from 100 happy to 0 happy and they stay that way for a long time. Tucker's side story is also not for the faint of heart... in fact, I think almost none of them are.That whole bit about the Ishvalan war anyone? Lior? How a philosopher stone is made?
This **** is dark, yo. Way dark.

No kid of mine is going to see FMA until they are 12 or older (when they do it'll be Brotherhood).
It is a dark, complex show hidden under a thin layer of saturday-morning-cartoon appeal.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Very much agreed cheezMcNASTY.
FullMetalAlchemistBrotherhood isn't a saturday morning cartoon to be mixed up with sponge bob squire pants, FullMetalAlchemistBrotherhood is toonami for a reason.

oh my mistake... i watched it long ago in Animax random episodes where the two brothers were going into villages&fought and some weird scenery that's all i saw... i just find the Animation kinda charming....

Back-on topic: I was just re-watching some Dbz episodes and i've come to the conclusion that Gotenks&Trunks are completely unnecessary characters in Buu saga

1) they're ssj and they make pee jokes and run from a dinosaur which is probably weaker than chi-chi
2) they annoy the living crap out of piccolo and me
3) ssj3 Gotenks makes no sense just like their ssj forms ssj3 needs intense training and experience over the years in the other-world
4) they're just making ssj look so so cheap....
5) they play no vital role in the story other then just keeping buu busy even pikkon could've done the same without being annoying as hell
6) they get more screen time and importance then GOHAN ! freaking Gohan !

seriously their episodes are just unbearably annoying.... and i guess that's why many dbz fans rate buu saga as 'Average' because it contains so much nonsense

 

[Autumn]

While I still think Trunks and Goten are adorable, they can get on your nerves. I agree with Donte about them cheapening the Super Saiyan state.

The only sense I can make of it canonically is that Vegeta and Goku had the ability to transform before the boys were conceived thus making it easier for them to transform.

If you look at Future Trunks, he’s had it tough, so he has been fighting and training just to stay alive. Frankly, putting in helluva lot more time and energy into becoming strong unlike Chibi Trunks(I’ll just call him that for now), yet it took him until he was about 14 (I’m not sure of the ages) and the loss of Gohan to send him over the edge and transform.

I don’t think Vegeta was able to transform before the conception of Future Trunks because Goku died and Vegeta lost the will to train as hard. (One of you guys will have to confirm or correct this since I’m a little rusty on the exact time line of everything).

So in short, yes it sucks that they over powered the lil kids when they have put nowhere near as much effort into training as the others. Even Gohan, who seems to have this natural ability and strength had to work hard at honing it.

It’s hard to respect Chibi Trunks and Goten when they’ve had so much power given to them without any struggle or sacrifice and then they treat it as a joke.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Well that's the thing.
1. Kid trunks & kid Goten were new characters & the Buu saga was the end of the DragonBallZ series so yea they're gonna have time in the spotlight, as much as possible.
To me i found them much less annoying then Gohan, i hated him from the Namek saga all the way till he dies, i can't stand him.

4. Also adds to the fact that Goku has waaaaaay more opportunities to train in other world where his power level is almost limitless & Vegeta was stuck with limitations of the living.
That's the only reason why Goku is stronger

what's wrong with gohan ? he was really awesome in namek/freiza saga why do you hate him ?

i can understand if you find his 'saiyaman saga' annoying but other than that he's not bad at all

if they're going to be annoying they can just do that off-screen

Akira toriyama really destroyed the concept of ssj being special when he decided to draw trunks&goten

and i hardly think that even with their power levels gotenks shouldn't be able to figure out ssj3 transformation if that was true then vegeta would've gone ssj3 as well

and i 100% agree on you that vegeta was potentially much stronger than goku as a kid and a teen/adult he never got any help in his training

 

[ROCKMAN X]

I generally hate Gohan, i find him in the category of annoying as & Vidal & Hercule Satan, actually more so & wish there was a comet shaped like a giant butt traveling from a thousand miles away flying through galaxy after galaxy & came to earth & smashed right into Gohan only, just smashing & continuously rolling over him till nothing was left but dust.
Then when Gohan reached other world, the comet followed & did the same thing till nothing was left, not even to wish back.

Why do find him in the category of videl/Hercule ? wating too much buu saga ?

come on ! what's the exact reason ?

he trained with piccolo as a kid then he eventually befriended piccolo and he did his best in namek/frieza saga to help his friends

He doesn't go around like a jackass making the whole story all 'comical' and bullshit

for Ex: kid Trunks&Goten..

hating gohan is just like hating goku..

what do you find annoying in namek/freiza saga ?