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The hair is odd but i think what was meant was a full blooded Saiyan's hair will grow a certain length & get no longer.
They can even grow facial hair, but once it reaches it's maximum length for that Saiyan, it will not grow any longer than that.

em.. so it works like that ? never thought so

but vegeta having a stach it was a bit far i think.. and his hairstyle is supposed to be his trademark why did they make him look like that ? goku still had the same hair style why didn't vegeta ?
 
Because they wanted to do the same thing to Vegeta as they did to Gohan, & that's blend him into the background.
DragonBallGT was nearly all about Goku, to me it look like it was suppose to be about the new generation of Z-fighters, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Pan & Bra with that series revolving around Trunks & Goten, hence DragonBallGT, DragonBall Goten/ Trunks. But Goku jumped into that to by being turned into a child again adding him to the new generation of Z-fighters stealing the show once more.




well that's why i hate it was all goku's story in buu's saga Gohan's training unleashing everything was just useless then why did they show it in the first place ?

again i'd say Pan&bra are not well established characters they're just cardboard cutouts
Dragon Ball Z: Wrath of the Dragon
That movie is blocked..
 
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I can say two definte things ruined GT :-

> It Wasted potential of So many well established characters (Gohan,Gotenks,Uub,Vegeta,Piccolo,saiyans from hell,cell)
> It changed the serious fighting tone with DB's overlay it just ruined the series

The comedy,the unwanted focus on stupid things the biggest and most known problem is how GT fails to explain the basics like how strong characters are compared to each other Dbz did that very well but GT no it has its own "Logic"

The most ironic part is that the ideas they were going with were great but they really wrecked the plot with their absurd script

Something tells me that Tarble is going to die in the next 2013 movie
 
If DragonBallGT went longer then i think it would've shaped up.

And also One more thing about Super17 how in the earth did he become stronger than a super saiyan Let alone ssj4 !!


Android 17 was pathetically helpless against that ugly imprefect Cell who was getting battered by F-Trunks&vegeta

How in the world did he threaten trunks ? besides why is trunks going a in a car ? can't he fly ?


How in the world those two of them can create more power than ssj4 ?

That's like saying if yamcha&tien fuse they'll get stronger than a ssj 2
 
Hell Fighter 17 was all machine & android 17 was part human just as 18. Hell Fighter 17 has the ability to telepathically communicate with and override/brainwash the cyborg, as well as fuse with him to become one super fighting machine. Super 17 right.

Still that contradicts with the concept of "Fusion"

As seen by cell absorbing 17&18 he got only as strong as FPSSJ not SSJ3
even Android 13 in the movie got any stronger than a MSSJ

But here andriod 17 who's supposed to be a good guy gets evil for no reason and becomes stronger than SSJ4 goku ? perhaps wasn't 16 fully mechanical ?

Only Portara fusion has that capability to divide the power 1000X times

Actually if it wasn't 17 instead if it was Cell&Freiza's fusion it would've BEEN much MORE interesting !
Imagine Ssj4 goku fighting something like an Immortal celliza together In hell
rather then a cracked up 17

And Perhaps i hated how the "Hell invasion" was treated so comically it should've been more like

"Thunders in the sky"
"people getting blasted in bits"
"Gohan going Ssj2 against ssj2Raditz"
"Vegeta toying with Ssj Nappa"
"Goten&Trunks using fusion and fighting hordes of Evil SSJ Saiyans from hell"

I mean THEY HAD be strong after all these years !! GT had SO SO much potential and they just all poured it down the drain'

Heck !! why didn't myuu&Gero just make saiyans in hell go Crazy ass **** ? or make a saiyan Android ?

Since they just know that they are arguably the most strongest beings ever but they had to come up the most boring idea ever :ermm:

I'm also curious about this "2013 movie"

This takes place just after the defeat of kid buu and before he meets uub and ends Dbz

That means either this is going to be just comical like "Yo son goku&friedz" or something new

Because the Viallan has to be stronger than Gotenks,Gohan(Unlocked),gokussj3&Vegeta ss2

but the trailer seemed like its going to be something serious.. .what could it be like ?
 
Why wouldn't they be able to create something equal to a Super Saiyan 4.
2. HellFighter17 took control of android 17 from the start, so the good android 17 didn't have a choice.
HellFighter17 & Super 17 has a believable reason.

I'd say it a lame excuse for making a villain just because in dbz he wasn't shown until the spirit bomb

GT leeched of the weak points of Dbz which was Android 17
 
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A possibly great character returns with bad way to go out.
Think of how awesome it would've been having him fight side by side with the Z-fighters.

Actually if you think it around in a sense he IS a Z fighter he helped goku in the spirit bomb he was revived as a "Good person" so technically he isn't EVIL at all as goku explained to vegeta in buu saga that he only wished back the good people

the real "Evil 17&18" were the ones in the future

@vampireWicked I Challenge you to NOT laugh or even giggle while watching this video


FYI this is NOT a Fandub This is an Actual dub aired in Malaysia the music is so RAD XD metal kurrara LMAO
 
We're talking about HellFighter 17, Android17 & how Android17 went evil & how did HellFighter 17 & Android17 merge together.



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DBGT's fights are awful IMO

the animation is reused 1000 times and the ki blasts are like 2 second loops they just scatter balls

and besides i can't see how pathetic Gohan acts despite of his "Unlocked potential" and how uub is pathetically weak In GT

And it seems like that GT has totally forgotten Ssj2 and vegeta going ssj4 wasn't really justified just like vegeta said

'looks like its a super saiyan bargain sale'
 
I think DragonBallGT was running off fumes.
You noticed how sometimes they didn't go Super Saiyan for awhile during fights then how Goku was quick to go Super Saiyan in DragonBallGT's earlier episodes.
The androids has the ability to absorb energy & get stronger.

And most stupidest thing is GT is that they made goku look like a God which he isn't

Gohan,Goten,trunks,Vegeta all going ssj doesn't do crap against Super 17 but suddenly Kid-goku goes ssj and puches 17 like a rocket WTF ?

I know goku's stronger but don't make others look like weaklings !

Super 17 can absorb energy true that doesn't mean he cannot be beaten to pulp

Now i get the idea why Piccolo wanted to die because he didn't want to be butchered by the writers of GT he would've said

"F**K you i'd rather die then to be a part of GT you made my best friend look like tool! "

He even lied "Don't cry Gohan... You've become much stronger" REALLY ?

Dbz wasn't about all Super-Saiyans

It was about team-work and fighting spirit

Remember when In DB goku used to get 90% help from his friends ?
Remember when Yajirobe Cut Vegeta's tail ?
Remember when tien did his best to stop cell ?
Remember when Vegeta distracted cell ??
Remember when there wasn't an obvious marker over goku's head being victories ?
Remember when Vegeta used to get beat up by the enemies just to get some more time for Goku ?
Remember when piccolo was badass ?

WELL you can forget about that its just all about "GOKU" and his annoying narrator pan...

 
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We're talking about HellFighter 17, Android17 & how Android17 went evil & how did HellFighter 17 & Android17 merge together.

Dr. Gero and Myuu created Hell Fighter #17. Hell 17 had the power to control normal # 17. Using Myuu's weird robot tech allowed the two 17's to combine.
 


Yea it kinda was.
He was pretty neat in DragonBallZ when he was becoming a good guy, then it's short-lived by him getting swallowed by Cell.
And then Android17's return is marred by him being controlled by HellFighter17 & becoming a bad guy.
I thought Super17 was cool but it could've been done better.
Like everyone was toned down in strength even Goku.
The Super Saiyan transformation was very much nerfed & ascended Saiyan was absent it seemed like.




Well if you think about all the bad guy's power levels were above SS3 so only SS4 was useful against well anyone.
 


With maybe the exception of baby & Super17, i doubt it, i don't think they were as strong as a Super Saiyan 3.
I think it was the dwarfing of the Super Saiyan level that made them seem powerful.
In DrgaonballGT as Donte mentioned, the ascended Saiyan auora wasn't there, no blue sparks.


In DragonBallGT Ascended Saiyan was skipped.
Am i suppose to believe that as weak as trunks & goten was, they reached an Ascended Saiyan equal to Vegeta & Goku's Ascended Saiyan level in the Buu saga?
And the enemies in DragonBallGT were stronger then that or a Super Saiyan 3.........i don't buy it.



Trunks (GT) and Gotan PL can only reache basic SS1 powers. Vegeta's highest PL is SS2. Vegeta can only reach SS4 with Bulma's help. Gohan can more than likely still use his Ultimate form but only seemed to use SS1 in DBGT.
The only person to use SS3 powers in GT is Son Goku but because of his child body he could not use or control SS3 to its fullest. When Goku became a SS4 he commented that the forms power was needed because it 1. held great power and 2. Wasn't a hassle to maintain as the SS3 form was. SS4 Son Goku beat Baby Vegeta without issue. Baby Vegeta turned into a Great Ape and Goku had problems because of the creatures' large size. (That makes sense) However Goku beat Baby in the end.
Super 17 consumed SS4 Goku's power and made him stronger. Dr. Myuu was worried that SS4 Goku would beat Super 17 until 17 consumed his power. 17 was beat because he had a big weakness, he was left open to attack when consuming power so Son Goku's base level Dragon Fist was enough to kill 17. Syn Shenron and SS4 Goku were equal. Omega Shenron was stronger than anybody expect SS4 Gogeta. So yes SS1,2, and 3 were useless against DBGT's foes.
 
What gives you(s) the impression that DBGT's SS forms were under powered? GT's foes were stronger than a SS3. How is that a hard thing to understand?

GT's memorable moments:

Son Goku being turned into a kid.
SS Goku VS Lergick (I spelled it wrong)
Baby being released from his capsule
Baby taking over Vegeta's body.
Goku becoming a Gold Great Ape
Goku becoming a SS4
Son Goku killing Baby
Goku seeing Frieeza and Cell in hell.
The appearance of Shadow Shenron and spreading the 7 dragons throughout the world
Vegeta becoming a SS4
The birth of SS4 Gogeta
Goku killing Omega Shenron
Goku riding off with Shenron
Goku Jr. VS Vegeta Jr.


14 memorable moments. Your judging GT way to hard. Remember DB started off as a comical adventure (Early DB) than got famous for its DBZ fighting. Akira made the story more fighting because that kept the series alive compared to a loose adaption of the Journey to the West story it originally was.