Dante's Age (Yes, Another One)

[Gel]

This?:

 

[The 4th Snake]

That's the one. Does anyone know what issue this is from?

 

[Gel]

Maybe from 2007 January/February .

 

[Demi-fiend]

Those were the days, weren't they? I was actually optimistic about the game (not to mention the entire industry in general) back then.

Hopefully, DMC4SE (and a possible DMC5) will bring those emotions back.

 

[DanteTheJester]

I still don't get why 2 comes after 4. Where's the connection?

 

[Gel]

Ah, check out this tiny tidbit. Kobayashi said early in 4's development of the events of 2, "They occur very far after the events of 2." [Source]

That goes along with my own thory of 2's placement in the timeline.

It says the exact opposite!2 occur very far after 4.

 

[The 4th Snake]

No idea how I managed to put 2 instead of 4. But yes, 2 is very far after 4.

 

[DanteTheJester]

I still don't think I understand. Plus I don't trust magazines or articles too much. I'd rather get maybe a Twitter comment about it from the person himself. First, Dante seems older when I look at him in 4. Plus he seems less humorous in 2. Yet did it say anything why he dropped so much of that? Even in 1 it was reasonable why he's a little less light hearted since his brother is involved and all the past about his mom. but 2? Seriously. 4 doesn't seem to come after 2 AT ALL.

 

[Foxtrot94]

4 doesn't seem to come after 2 AT ALL.

In fact it doesn't. 2 comes after. It's the last one in the timeline.

The 4th Snake made a typo when he wrote 4 comes after.

 

[DanteTheJester]

Well based on everyones info yeah, It doesn't. But me saying that was a typo. 2 doesn't seem to have any reason to come after 4. Like the difference in persona.

 

[The 4th Snake]

Yeah, my fault. Sorry about that. I hear Dante was planned to go out of control during 4 and kill Lady and Trish, likely to explain his humourless persona in 2. I imagine one of them will likely die come DMC5, unless they remake or retcon 2. Either way, 2 is supposed to come right at the end of the timeline.

Interestingly enough, compare Dante in each game to his father's prior actions and you see Dante's progression.
DMC3: Sparda sealed Temen-ni-gru. Dante does not. It might still be there for all we know.
DMC1: Sparda defeated Mundus. Dante does the same.
DMC4: Sparda sealed the Hell Gate, possibly not being able to bring himself to do it. Dante has no problem destroying it.
DMC2: Sparda sealed Argosax because he physically could not kill it. Dante does no problem.

 

[Foxtrot94]

2 doesn't seem to have any reason to come after 4. Like the difference in persona.

It's the opposite. It would make way less sense if DMC2 wasn't the last one. Cause since the order of the other 3 games is DMC3, 1, 4, if DMC2 was in any position in between them, THAT would be odd in terms of Dante's personality, since he's way more lighthearted in those other 3 games.

Instead, the status quo (2 being the last one) makes more sense cause you can at least come up with the explanation that something very bad must have happened to him after 4 to turn him into the way he is in 2.

 

[SSSuperDMDDecimator]

Dante is 19 in dmc3

24 in 1. 31 in 4. And about 49 in 2

 

[LordOfDarkness]

Dante is 19 in dmc3

24 in 1. 31 in 4. And about 49 in 2

Dude, please don't double post. Either edit your previous post or wait for someone else to reply in the thread before posting again. Thanks.

 

[DanteTheJester]

It's the opposite. It would make way less sense if DMC2 wasn't the last one. Cause since the order of the other 3 games is DMC3, 1, 4, if DMC2 was in any position in between them, THAT would be odd in terms of Dante's personality, since he's way more lighthearted in those other 3 games.

Instead, the status quo (2 being the last one) makes more sense cause you can at least come up with the explanation that something very bad must have happened to him after 4 to turn him into the way he is in 2.

That really can all be chocked down to 2 being right after 1 and it being experimental to find the best Dante. They saw the hit that he was in 3. So I doubt they intend to make 2 after 4. Not with how much people liked his light hearted persona in 3 and 4.

So really it makes more sense to not count 2 being after 4 unless they don't care about the money they would make on him if he were light hearted the way fans liked.

 

[Foxtrot94]

That really can all be chocked down to 2 being right after 1 and it being experimental to find the best Dante. They saw the hit that he was in 3. So I doubt they intend to make 2 after 4. Not with how much people liked his light hearted persona in 3 and 4.

Yes of course it can be choked down to that. I was talking merely story wise. But obviously that's what happened.

And yes maybe initially didn't intend to make 2 after 4, but regardless, that's how the timeline is right now, like it or not.

Also your reasoning why they shouldn't modify the timeline doesn't make a lot of sense, really. People don't buy DMC based on when the games are set in the timeline LOL
Maybe you do, but that's doesn't mean anything.

 

[DanteTheJester]

That doesn't change the logic behind it. First, Dante seems older in 4. Seems more like an Akira Toriyama and GT kind of relationship. Plus the fact that Dante thought his brother was dead. You didn't see him go crazy depressed after that now did you? And Vergil technically did die initially. I don't think they had the special edition of 4 planned out or even care about his placement other than giving him to people who want to see him. So why would he not go sour over his brother but anything else? If anything, he seems to be naturally light hearted. It's not in his so far set established default persona.

GT didn't have a place in Dragon Ball initially since most hated it, and Akira didn't seem to like it. Even with the new movies it's even more solid what with Goku's Super Saiyan form permanently becoming BLUE. Something they WILL NOT USE AS A REASON TO "REMASTER" GT OR REMAKE IT JUST TO INCLUDE A BLUE SUPER SAIYAN.

So my reasoning makes plenty sense. It seems more like a thing they never admitted and just left up to fans to think about since it's, as you said, not as interested in it's own story. THEY'RE LITTLE ADVENTURES FOR DANTE.

So based on what seems to be the case, DMC4 seems to take place AFTER 2.

 

[Foxtrot94]

So based on what seems to be the case, DMC4 seems to take place AFTER 2.

No, it doesn't seem like that to me, aside from his older look in 4.

As for personality, let's say DMC2 takes place before 4, and hence the timeline is DMC3, 1, 2, 4.
That would be really odd. I mean, Dante would go from lightherted (3 and 1) to grumpy (2), to lighthearted again (4)?

Yeah it doesn't make more sense than 2 being set after 4. In fact, as I said, regardless of Capcom initial intention, placing 2 after the other 3, where he's more joking persona, allows them to come up (one day) with the explanation that some sort of trauma must have happened between 4 and 2 to turn him into the silent guy he is there.

Oh and Vergil's scenes in DMC4 SE are confirmed to be set before DMC3.

 

[The 4th Snake]

Let's all calm down here. Yes, Dante looks older in 4. The original idea was that 2 was set shortly after 1. Then when making 4, they decided to move 2 further down the timeline to keep a 3-style Dante and come up with an explanation for 2's persona at their leisure. It's a retcon. Like how Dante originally believed Vergil was dead up until 1, which was later retconned by DMC3.
But Dante IS notably more serious in 1 than 3 or 4. He just never became super serious in 1 because he didn't KNOW what happened to Vergil. He "lost" him in the sense that he doesn't know his fate and that's probably on his mind a lot until he puts those thoughts to rest by giving Vergil peace.

Now, back on topic, I'm curious about SSSuperDMDDecimator's estimates and how those were reached.

 

[Foxtrot94]

Let's all calm down here.

Who's angry?