Why the hate?

[Jak]

I actually LOVED this game.
I thought it was superbly executed and was a well deserved successor to the series - the combat was balanced, the weapons were suitably deep - I didn't have a sour moment with this. Heck, even the terrible script and the AWFUL succubus weren't enough to put me off.

My ONLY complain was that Vergil wasn't badass enough.

yeah. he didn't feel motivated enough to fight dante. did you get a chance to play vergil's downfall though? he feels pretty badass there

 

[Lord Nero]

Sparda was part of the backstory of the DMC games. Of course you can ruin that. You can ruin anything that produces emotion in people. Who says Sparda had to be a character that existed in the games' plots? Your point is not valid.

 

[Chancey289]

Sparda was part of the backstory of the DMC games. Of course you can ruin that. You can ruin anything that produces emotion in people. Who says Sparda had to be a character that existed in the games' plots? Your point is not valid.

Oh really? Then tell me exactly what Sparda contributes to the DMC franchise other than a BS explanation for anything that happens in the plot? They always revolved the characters around Sparda and his family tree and it does not benefit the game because it just makes the entire game and world feel small.

It's lazy and shorthand storytelling. Like I said, he was never much a character, he was a goddamn plot device. Seriously, like I said before, these rose tinted glasses some of you wear for the originals are practically blindfolds.

And don't go on and accuse me of only liking DmC. I'm like, the only mofo who still has love for the very first game the most it seems. I'm just able to see that yea, the characters and plots were always pretty poop ok. I'm a stickler for storytelling.

 

[Chancey289]

One major observation I've made about the whole thing is that when it comes down to the fanbase, a large majority are more fans of 3 and 4 and it's very anime approach to how it presents itself.

And don't go around accusing I say this as a bad thing. I am an avid anime fan and my favorite Devil May Cry is still number 1, just don't BS me.

It really is coming down to something like that no matter how much people beat around the bush. It's why you see people saying the new one is nothing like the originals and the word "western" is tossed about with such disdain.

Most fans have defined the series as a whole from just DMC 3 or 4. As a fan from the beginning, I don't. Don;t get me wrong, I still love playing DMC 3, but it's not how I like DMC.

Hell, it's how I feel about DmC because I'm still a fan of that first outing the most. I'm just able to sit back and accept its different and just play a fun game.

People should just be honest, you're fans of 3 and 4. That's where hate comes from. And that a lot of DMC fans can be just a bunch of stubborn fanboys part of the fandumb hating stuff for hardly any real reason. That is enough to take in to account no matter how many people try to say otherwise.

It's why you see nothing but the same parroting opinions with accusations about it being a complete They Live rip off despite how wrong that is because, I actually own the movie They Live and watched it multiple times and ETC. Sooooooo yea.

You know how this song and dance goes.

Why don't we all just shut up and stop this conversation in general.

 

[ItWasAnEggTimer]

I just hate the whole "I'm a true fan of DMC, so I hate this game" people.

Some people said the same about Hitman: Absolution.

If hating a certain instalment makes you a "true fan," then I guess I don't want to be one.

 

[Lord Nero]

I just hate the whole "I'm a true fan of DMC, so I hate this game" people.

Some people said the same about Hitman: Absolution.

If hating a certain instalment makes you a "true fan," then I guess I don't want to be one.

When they use the word 'fan', they usually mean fanboy or fangirl.

That said, if they put the emphasis on the word 'DMC', I can get where they're coming from. I don't see DmC as a Devil May Cry game. Just because it bears the same name doesn't mean it's spiritually the same. DmC is not even part of the same series, it's part of the same franchise. Just because it bears the same name doesn't mean it should automatically get my respect. Same with Final Fantasy XIII. As a Final Fantasy, I don't like it. But as an RPG, it could be worse.

 

[ItWasAnEggTimer]

When they use the word 'fan', they usually mean fanboy or fangirl.

That said, if they put the emphasis on the word 'DMC', I can get where they're coming from. I don't see DmC as a Devil May Cry game. Just because it bears the same name doesn't mean it's spiritually the same. DmC is not even part of the same series, it's part of the same franchise. Just because it bears the same name doesn't mean it should automatically get my respect. Same with Final Fantasy XIII. As a Final Fantasy, I don't like it. But as an RPG, it could be worse.

I know, but they act like hating the reboot is some initiation into liking the first four.

 

[Lord Nero]

''People should just be honest, you're fans of 3 and 4. That's where hate comes from. And that a lot of DMC fans can be just a bunch of stubborn fanboys part of the fandumb hating stuff for hardly any real reason. That is enough to take in to account no matter how many people try to say otherwise.''

Maybe you're just referring to the actual hate that went around. Maybe you're referring to the actual haters, not to the well-reasoned points people have provided here. But honestly, your comment sounds willfully ignorant. You can hate something for good reasons. Hate is a perfectly normal, acceptable thing. It's part of human nature. Now, 'haters' and 'hating' (which imply active deprecating just for the reason of disliking something) is a different issue.
Also, I don't know what your ''you're fans of 3 and 4'' comes from. DMC1 is nothing like DmC, and neither is DMC2.

You can't ignore everything people like Axon49, berto and I have said over the course of this thread. Many people have given perfectly valid, argumented personal reasons for disliking DmC in this thread. Hell, there have been multiple threads asking for our opinion, or why we hold that opinion. But when we provide the answer, it often gets attacked rather than scrutinized.

Despite all of this, those who prefer DmC still insist it's all about the change, and that it's all just 'hate'. ''Oh, Devil May Cry changed with DmC, and you just don't like change''. You've got to be joking. DMC changed with every installment. If we didn't like change, we wouldn't even be fans of the series. We wouldn't even be fans of the DMC3 and DMC4 you just mentioned. It's all about what kind of change it is. I didn't like DmC for many reasons, and none of it can be classified as 'hating'. There's some things I liked about it too. Generalizing it all as 'hate' just makes people even angrier, which gives you more ammunition to attack them with. There's so many people who don't give anyone the chance to speak, and when they do speak, they're ignored and dismissed as haters. People just have different opinions to yours, which are usually no less valid or reasonable. Calling it 'hate' is insulting. And insults lead to a sour mood on the forum. You don't see me insulting you for not liking DMC4, do you?

Ugh... I just wanted to get that out there. I'm really not up for angry reactions or debate right now.

 

[Chancey289]

*sigh* Whatever.

Other people got what I was saying.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

- Nonetheless, the anime takes place when Dante is 28, so when he is older than in DMC3. No sense in comparing young Dante to older Dante, when they are two completely different people in terms of personality.

Not really... it shows an insight as to how he lives his daily life and referring back to DMC 3 it doesn't seem to me like he doesn't have family or friends they're just not shown,only vergil seems like a loner to me.

So... not really part of society. I don't think anybody asked him to hunt demons, and gave him an allowance to rent a place or something.

I just picture him like a Saturday night cartoon superhero he's not that deep or realistic.

None of the games mention any adoptive parents.

Neither does it tell that he inherited sparda's money or even had any contact with him whatsoever remember he was separated from his mother when he was young and he even went by the alias of "tony redgrave".

(you know, the former *ruler of the human world*)

LOL not really.. no one remembers sparda just like how no one remembers dante saving the world.

but you think him having adoptive parents, even though there is no evidence for it, is *not* far-fetched?

So then who supported him as a child after his mother was killed? i have no better explanation honestly.

we can't conclude DMC Dante has the same personality.

"Same" and "Similar" are different things.. i only meant to say that DmC dante hearkens back more towards the original dante's character by being all tryhard and non-nonchalant.

but I haven't seen him actually form truly meaningful relationships with anyone.

Character development was never a strong suit of devil may cry series TBH in fact dante's character is so inconsistent with every game.

 

[Lord Nero]

Neither does it tell that he inherited sparda's money or even had any contact with him whatsoever remember he was separated from his mother when he was young and he even went by the alias of "tony redgrave".

LOL not really.. no one remembers sparda just like how no one remembers dante saving the world. So then who supported him as a child after his mother was killed? i have no better explanation honestly. "Same" and "Similar" are different things.. i only meant to say that DmC dante hearkens back more towards the original dante's character by being all tryhard and non-nonchalant.Character development was never a strong suit of devil may cry series TBH in fact dante's character is so inconsistent with every game.

Sparda was the legendary dark knight. He defended the humans from demons, and ruled over the human world for hundreds of years, IIRC. I'd say that makes him much more memorable than any real-life president nowadays. He didn't just secretly save the world like Dante did. Maybe the humans have forgotten some of the things he did (as with any real-life king), but that doesn't mean nobody *remembers* Sparda.

Why would Dante need to have contact with Sparda to inherit his money? Sparda would've kept his money somewhere, maybe even in a bank account, since he died in a modern time. If Sparda left Dante his money in his will, that explains how he could buy a whole building and start a shop. At this point, we're both just making stuff up, but I find the above to be more likely.

I can agree with some of your points, but I can't keep debating this. I'm going to take a short break from the site too. So I'm going to have to disagree with some of it and leave it at that.
Besides, this isn't even relevant to this thread. We should've moved this subdebate somewhere else. I have no issues with DmC Dante being different from the other Dantes, if anyone is wondering that. I mean, each Dante has been different from the next. I have no real problem with any of them.

 

[The Final Offer]

Bayonetta 2 sold poorly in Japan? Pushing only 30,000 units?

Great now DmC is going to be hated even more because it sold better on one console. :/

 

[Kam]

I don't know about it now, but a lot of people seemed to hate this game, especially at launch. I just wanted to see why. If anyone DOES hate game, could you explain? Its no where near as good as 3 or 4, but I think it's a nice gateway game for newcomers.

Let's say you're a huge fan of deadpool, until one day someone comes along and reboots deadpool as the punisher. Woah hey, you're upset? It's the clothing, isn't it? Just because it isn't bright red any more? Jeez you fanboys are so entitled, you just can't see past a color he's the same character! He shoots up bad guys, he has one-liners, in fact I think he's better than the old character because deadpool was kinda silly and nobody took him seriously. I mean, bright red clothing, guns, and katanas? Jeez you weeaboos and your stupid anime tropes, how's it feel worshipping inuyasha in a ski-mask.

Lots of nasty words from both sides about which character is clearly superior, or how they're not actually that different, or how people are only disagreeing because I secretly hate gay people (this was literally someone's logic on why I disagreed with them, I couldn't make stupid **** like this up) .

But nobody really has any patience for the question: why make deadpool the punisher? Why not just make two different characters? They both have strong fanbases, both with pretty different tastes in what they like in an action hero. So why does one need to stop existing so the other one can take his name and his place?

Classic dante (all versions, even DMC1 dante) was loved as a character, there were seriously huge followings of people who worshipped dante but didn't even play the game. Now replace that character with the exact opposite of everything he stood for, and then make fun of that fanbase for ever liking him in the first place.

If this game was the heavenly sword sequel tameem so desperately wanted it to be, it wouldn't have gotten a fraction of the hate.


(or the sales)

 

[V's patron]

Well I actually liked TGS10 trailer a lot but eventually got skeptical and was disappointed with the final product.

While DmC had its own merits both as a story and a game, it wasn't enough of a splash to justify all the 4 years of arguing and expectations so i think a lot of the hatred that existed after was just disappointment at the final product as it doesn't feel worth the heartache.

Well before the game came out, its a mix of the trailer making a bad first impression and Capcom/NT not being able to quell it. Instead of it feeling like the Dark knight, people saw it as m. Night shamaylan's the Last airbender or Dragonball Evolution.

 

[Axon49]

Well before the game came out, its a mix of the trailer making a bad first impression and Capcom/NT not being able to quell it. Instead of it feeling like the Dark knight, people saw it as m. Night shamaylan's the Last airbender or Dragonball Evolution.

It's absolutely crazy you say that, because I've always gotten an M. Night Shyamalan feel from DmC but I've never been able to put my finger on why that is.

Can't believe someone else made the connection, since I'm not even sure why I made the connection. It might be the whole Last Airbender thing, but I've never really watched more than the trailer for the movie and I've only watched a tiny bit of the show.

 

[V's patron]

It's absolutely crazy you say that, because I've always gotten an M. Night Shyamalan feel from DmC but I've never been able to put my finger on why that is.

Can't believe someone else made the connection, since I'm not even sure why I made the connection. It might be the whole Last Airbender thing, but I've never really watched more than the trailer for the movie and I've only watched a tiny bit of the show.

its closer to Dragonball evolution tho since it made these changes that went too far to some. It wasnt a bad idea to angle it towards a western/modern audience, just not sure this was a good way to go about it.

 

[The Final Offer]

Let's say you're a huge fan of deadpool, until one day someone comes along and reboots deadpool as the punisher. Woah hey, you're upset? It's the clothing, isn't it? Just because it isn't bright red any more? Jeez you fanboys are so entitled, you just can't see past a color he's the same character! He shoots up bad guys, he has one-liners, in fact I think he's better than the old character because deadpool was kinda silly and nobody took him seriously. I mean, bright red clothing, guns, and katanas? Jeez you weeaboos and your stupid anime tropes, how's it feel worshipping inuyasha in a ski-mask.

Lots of nasty words from both sides about which character is clearly superior, or how they're not actually that different, or how people are only disagreeing because I secretly hate gay people (this was literally someone's logic on why I disagreed with them, I couldn't make stupid **** like this up) .

But nobody really has any patience for the question: why make deadpool the punisher? Why not just make two different characters? They both have strong fanbases, both with pretty different tastes in what they like in an action hero. So why does one need to stop existing so the other one can take his name and his place?

Classic dante (all versions, even DMC1 dante) was loved as a character, there were seriously huge followings of people who worshipped dante but didn't even play the game. Now replace that character with the exact opposite of everything he stood for, and then make fun of that fanbase for ever liking him in the first place.

If this game was the heavenly sword sequel tameem so desperately wanted it to be, it wouldn't have gotten a fraction of the hate.


(or the sales)

Let's go over what you're clearly stating. Since you're the only person who is confused.

Devil May Cry Facts:
1. DmC is an alternate universe and is made differently than DMC on purpose.

2. DmC is not meant to replace DMC, it is meant to co-exist beside it. This is Capcom complimenting DMC's lore and giving us fans WHAT? More Devil May Cry.

3. DmC Dante is in his teenage years in a logically rebellious phase given his history and situation. DMC Dante was all over the place and you couldn't quite get a grip on who he really is. So everyone just favored one version over the other. I say versions because, well, they're so different personality wise that people just pick and choose which one they like.

Facts about Kam:
1. States that Ninja Theory placing DMC Dante next to Brokeback Mountain characters means he's associated with homosexuals and therefore is being called gay. "Gay" is used, in Kam's own words, as insulting this fictional character because Kam's so sure Dante isn't "gay" given the hints that he likes women...but there are no hints that he doesn't like men as well. Hm.

2. Kam believes Tameem wants Heavenly Sword 2.

3. Kam believes someone disagreed with him because he's proven to hate homosexuals.

 

[Viper]

I've seen people mention the lack of explanation on how Dante got into demon hunting business, so I felt the need to give my two cents.
It's a bit aggravating that games are just adventures, while details of Dante's life are given in other media.
Kamiya's Dante started as a young gun to hire to survive, in other words he didn't deal with demons right away, that came during and after the events with Gilver. The money he needed for the business he got through work, though a good chunk of his savings was transferred to bank account he opened for Gru's surviving daughters.
DMC3 Dante had Enzo bring him work, and even acquire him the building for his first shop for a bargain (mentioned in manga). It's possible this one started as a regular mercenary too, considering he was hired to find Alice, ie a missing kid job.
That first office got demolished, though it's possible that Dante's later agent, Morrison, got him a good deal on a new place. The old man did have some kind of paternal feelings.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Source.

 

[Viper]

Source.

Was that directed at me or...?
The first novel (I think you can still find the scans on tumblr), manga that works as prequel to DMC3 and anime (in the episode with prison you can see that Morrison cares about Dante, though acts like he doesn't).