How would like vergil to look in DmC(if he's in it :D)

[KenKen]

To be fair, the DMC canon by itself is confusing. Accepting the manga, novels, and the anime as canon isn't a long stretch, but I sort of take the extra stuff with a grain of salt.

 

[McdD]

Its cool. Its in murky water as it is possible to accept both the manga and the novel if you fanwave hard enough.

I accept the medium(s) that the Devil May Cry story creators support

He killed innocent humans directly.Click for a larger image.

Innocent humans don´t block other people´s passage and proclaim a location as theirs. Neither do innocent humans tell you to leave behind your katana because they want it.
Furthermore - you need to know those rebels background before you can say if Vergil is truly evil or if the rebels are innocent.
For all we could know the rebels may been murderers...
And if Devil May Cry creator(s) haven´t supported the manga, then it´s just a alternative story about alternative Vergil just like DmC is a alternative story made by NT about a Dante.
Why do you think Devil May Cry storyline went off the track? Because they had no more ideas? No, because the vital developers left the train.

 

[mrrandomlulz]

Those are three details. Tophat, monocle and mustache.

 

[crush]

DMC had a extreme shortage of mustaches...I must agree.
Because Ninja is a British company, we need something gentleman-esque of course.
Bowler hats, top hats, black umbrellas etc.

 

[ReRave]

I do not know the law in your country, but seriously?

Innocent humans don´t block other people´s passage and proclaim a location as theirs. Neither do innocent humans tell you to leave behind your katana because they want it.

*sings* But he didn't have to cut them up....
Do you kill the neighbours kid for playing with your ball without asking? If some thug brutalizes you, you either fight back (which Vergil didn't do, he killed them before they had the chance) and kick his ass or you survive and take it to the police, like any honest citizen would do. You don't walk around in a Katana, cutting down anyone who's delaying you by a few minutes.

Furthermore - you need to know those rebels background before you can say if Vergil is truly evil or if the rebels are innocent.

So it's okay to slaughter helpless gangsters on hunches? Killing people is evil. Killing people, that are so far below you on the food-chain is just plain slaughter.

Why do you think Devil May Cry storyline went off the track? Because they had no more ideas? No, because the vital developers left the train.

Kamiya went off board after DMC1, after that, the crew was mainly the same, from what I heard. Hell, DMC3 and 4 were the same game with polished graphics, even though the team working on it was the same.

 

[McdD]

I do not know the law in your country, but seriously?



*sings* But he didn't have to cut them up....
Do you kill the neighbours kid for playing with your ball without asking? If some thug brutalizes you, you either fight back (which Vergil didn't do, he killed them before they had the chance) and kick his ass or you survive and take it to the police, like any honest citizen would do. You don't walk around in a Katana, cutting down anyone who's delaying you by a few minutes.
So the rebels are kids playing with someone else's ball? Nice comparison.

So it's okay to slaughter helpless gangsters on hunches? Killing people is evil. Killing people, that are so far below you on the food-chain is just plain slaughter.
It´s slaughter indeed, but it does´t make Vergil evil. Those rebels you call "people" because people is nicer word for them probably have killed someone below their food-chain.


Kamiya went off board after DMC1, after that, the crew was mainly the same, from what I heard. Hell, DMC3 and 4 were the same game with polished graphics, even though the team working on it was the same.
DMC 2,3 and 4 Story are crap compared to DMC 1. DMC 1 made the foundation. DMC 2 was a alternative story, DMC 3 was a alternative take of how Vergil got controlled by Mundus and DMC 4 was another alternative story.

None of the DMC games after 1 took the story to next level.
DMC 2 was a off topic story
DMC 3 was repeating DMC 1 (fair attempt but didn´t elevate the story)
DMC 4 another off topic story that came out of nowhere.

And i said DMC 1 story creator(s), if there was one man behind story, and the man was Hideki Kamiya, then yeah.
I also said that i support the mediums that hold DMC story that are supported by the story creators, and it does´t look like manga is supported by Hideki Kamiya (a key member of story).

The manga seems to be telling story of DMC 3. Which is kinda uuuh...a alternative story to Vergil´s death.

 

[mrrandomlulz]

Ooh do I see a flame war starting, I'll go get the popcorn.

 

[ZeroLove]

Vergil kills innocent people. That's evil. It doesn't matter who you are or who you kill are, it is not alright to kill innocent people.
I will go as far to say it isn't alright to kill people at all, no matter what they have done, but that's the pacifist in me speaking.

 

[Xeroxis]

I would rather have Vergil look a little different from Dante. Perhaps with blond hair..... Or...........*gasp* DUO HAIR!

 

[788Masri]

i think vergils biggest crime was when he almost wiped out the entire human population. you know when he tried to open spardas seal and nearly gave every demon in hell a free ticket to earth. he was going to let demons slaughter EVERY HUMAN ON THE PLANET, kill his own brother IN COLD BLOOD all for power. he doesnt care about any form of life except dantes and even then he tries to kill him TWICE. hell even a gun toting maniac would be like "bro you gone too far". he isnt a hero, an anti hero or even a decent person. hes a villain a REALLY GOOD VILLAIN thats why we like him.

 

[mrrandomlulz]

Vergil is not a villain, nor good guy, nor anti hero.
It is nice to see everypony is thinking inside the box.

Think for a moment.
It's all about motives.
Vergil had no quarrel with humans. A villain kills because they feel the need to show they are a force to be reckoned with, or because they just freaking feel like it. Vergil only really kills people if they get in his way. He thinks humans pathetic and not worth his time, but they beg to differ,and get in the way of his goals. So we can't go saying Vergil is some "Katana wielding psycho"

We can easily establish why he is not a good guy

As for anti hero. Yet again. Everything he did in late DMC3, was just to get Arkham out of the way so he could have Sparda's power for himself. He was helping nobody but himself

In other words, Vergil is nothing but a plot device, nothing more, nothing less. A kick ass plot device.

In an even more specific way of putting it. Vergil is the Gman of DMC

The mysterious figure who's true intentions will never be revealed. We know he wants power. We just don't know why

 

[crush]

He wanted to become a full-blown demon. So apparently he gave them free tickets and drinks to become buddys.
But nobody seemed to get along with poor ol Vergil so he gone to demonville and made a gamble to become king of hell by defeating mudus-but lost the bet and became Nelo Angelo. In the progress he became what he wanted to be but lost his mind.
Aww...tragic.

 

[V's patron]

I accept the medium(s) that the Devil May Cry story creators support



Innocent humans don´t block other people´s passage and proclaim a location as theirs. Neither do innocent humans tell you to leave behind your katana because they want it.
Furthermore - you need to know those rebels background before you can say if Vergil is truly evil or if the rebels are innocent.
For all we could know the rebels may been murderers...
And if Devil May Cry creator(s) haven´t supported the manga, then it´s just a alternative story about alternative Vergil just like DmC is a alternative story made by NT about a Dante.
Why do you think Devil May Cry storyline went off the track? Because they had no more ideas? No, because the vital developers left the train.

To answer both questions, Devil May Cry's storyline went off track since no-one knew where to take it or all parties wanted to go in different directions. They couldnt work together.

 

[ReRave]

Vergil is not a villain, nor good guy, nor anti hero.
It is nice to see everypony is thinking inside the box.

Think for a moment.
It's all about motives.

No. It's about moral standards. Killing is evil, therefore killers are evil. No thinking outside the box necessary, no need for justification. You end a life full of stories and relationships. You take possibilities out of the tapestry.
Killing people is evil. Self-defense is not. Vergil was in no danger whatsoever, therefore he is evil.
I'm not trying to say, that my moral standards are any better than those of others, but seriously: Murder, manslaughter and the butchering of the helpless is generally frowned upon.

Vergil only really kills people if they get in his way. He thinks humans pathetic and not worth his time, but they beg to differ,and get in the way of his goals.
So we can't go saying Vergil is some "Katana wielding psycho".

So, let's say I, with my twisted feeling of being the best at everything decide to kill people, because they step on my toes in dancing class. Pathetic losers, stepping on my feet while I am gracefully swirling through the ballroom.
That would make me a psycho, right?
Now, to relate that to Vergil's situation: He walks down an alley, half-god that he is and those puny little humans, with their cute baseball-bats come at him. He could easily dispatch them without killing them, but instead he chose to cut them into tiny pieces.

The mysterious figure who's true intentions will never be revealed. We know he wants power. We just don't know why

Indeed.
And I am really not buying the argument "He felt weak, because his mother died in front of him, so it's totally justifed that he murders a whole city and erects a demonic tower that spawns hellish creatures and opens the gate to hell.".


And no, this is still not a flamewar. Not yet.


Edit: Jumped over that post, my bad:

So the rebels are kids playing with someone else's ball? Nice comparison..

In relation to Vergil's sheer physical power and demonic abilities? They are probably less than ants to him. Ants with no legs. Blind ants, with their antenae torn off and already bleeding out.
They are ****ing amoebea next to him.

It´s slaughter indeed, but it does´t make Vergil evil. Those rebels you call "people" because people is nicer word for them probably have killed someone below their food-chain.

That's what we have law enforcement for, right? We're not to judge people. Vigilantism is always turning out badly, but that's not the point.
The point is: Killing is evil.

 

[mrrandomlulz]

No. It's about moral standards. Killing is evil, therefore killers are evil. No thinking outside the box necessary, no need for justification. You end a life full of stories and relationships. You take possibilities out of the tapestry.
Killing people is evil. Self-defense is not. Vergil was in no danger whatsoever, therefore he is evil.
I'm not trying to say, that my moral standards are any better than those of others, but seriously: Murder, manslaughter and the butchering of the helpless is generally frowned upon.


So, let's say I, with my twisted feeling of being the best at everything decide to kill people, because they step on my toes in dancing class. Pathetic losers, stepping on my feet while I am gracefully swirling through the ballroom.
That would make me a psycho, right?
Now, to relate that to Vergil's situation: He walks down an alley, half-god that he is and those puny little humans, with their cute baseball-bats come at him. He could easily dispatch them without killing them, but instead he chose to cut them into tiny pieces.

Yes, but you forget, to Vergil, killing a human is pretty much stepping on a cockroach. To him it is not murder.

 

[McdD]

To answer both questions, Devil May Cry's storyline went off track since no-one knew where to take it or all parties wanted to go in different directions. They couldnt work together.

But the DMC creator did leave after DMC 1. And he's one of the major key players in story of DMC.

 

[Nelo_Vergil]

But the DMC creator did leave after DMC 1. And he's one of the major key players in story of DMC.

you said it yourself he is ONE of the major players not THE. now folks how did we go from looks to personalility in a few topics? what happend to my thread?View attachment 191

 

[McdD]

you said it yourself he is ONE of the major players not THE. now folks how did we go from looks to personalility in a few topics? what happend to my thread?View attachment 191

I said that because i don't know if he's responsible for whole story or not.

For all i know he could be the one who is responsible for whole story.

But it's certain to say him leaving leaves a huge gap in DMC storyline.
A gap that we have experienced...

 

[darkdeamon92/dmc3/]

i want him to look like this

and that is dante's head

 

[Railazel]

We just don't know why

Actually, we do know, it just that no one pays attention to the small details.

Vergil's only reason for unlocking the tower was because he wanted to be like Sparda.

To put his plan in detail, he wanted to re- enact Sparda's rebellion by bringing the demons into the Human World via unsealing his father's sword. Naturally, he did not know how to do this, so he looked in the Book of Ancient Legends for instructions, that's when he met Arkham who displayed his knowledge of the dark arts. Then he would unleash Sparda's power by combining the Perfect Amulets, but naturally that would mean killing his brother in order to get his amulet. After doing so, he would use the Power of Sparda to get rid of all the demons he unleashed, thus becoming the legend his father was.

If you think about it, the entire game was just a long series of foils. Arkham was a foil for Vergil in that he had the same goals, but was obviously more cunning. That's why they were put next to each other.

Most people think that his line in his first battle ("Without power, you cannot protect anything.") described his motive when it was Dante's line that actually revealed it ("No matter how hard you try, you'll never gonna be like father").

Now, on- topic, I'd prefer it if he was older than the new Dante.