will DmC sell well?

[Vezild]

Let me explain something:

Tameem and many others said Dante needed a update. And Tameem said Dante is no longer cool because things from 12 years ago no longer is cool. He goes then and makes a new character (not a updated Dante from DMC), and the inspiration comes from around 40 years old Punk movement.

He disrespected DMC Dante.

They never said in beginning which Dante they were talking off. Everyone's perception of who the man named Dante is the same guy as DMC. And Even Tameem and Alex Jones talked about "Dante" and agreed to that he needed a update as in THE SAME GUY FROM DMC.
Tameem did not interupt the interviewer or "game reporter" and say "No, this is not the same Dante. It's a new Dante." Because how can you update DMC Dante when DmC Dante is not DMC Dante? And there is many things that are old and still cool, but why is it that Punk movement is cool but the things DMC Dante was made of is not?

Tameem disrespected DMC Dante.

I am not saying it's wrong to make a Dante that's inspired by Punk movement. I am saying that he said crap about DMC Dante when it is not true. The only thing that's not cool is cheesey lines or a character trying to be cool which is why DMC 4 Dante wasn't a great DAnte.

But DMC 1 Dante is very cool. And a disrespectful piece of garbage isn't the person to decide if he's cool or not. We decide.

CoolDemon...this entire post is opinionated. Do you understand that? Some people don't like the Japanese influences of the original series. Some people don't like the outlandishness of Dante. Some people would even HATE it.
But the Punk movement may be cool to the same people who don't like the Japanese influences. It's all opinions, CoolDemon. Everytime you bring up this subject, it's just opinions, opinions, opinions.
You're not going to get anywhere with these types of posts.

 

[ZeroLove]

I don't think Tameem or Ninja Theory or even Capcom should apologize for anything about the new Devil May Cry game. They haven't wronged anyone. That people took the changes personally isn't their fault or problem. People just aren't willing to suck it up and face reality. Instead of admitting that the problem might lie with the fans, they instead tend to hostilities and are busy pointing fingers at others. It is not Capcom's fault or Tameem's fault or Ninja theory's fault that there are fans so attached to these fictional characters and the games. They shouldn't bear that responsibility. They are making this new Devil May Cry for a reason and that reason isn't to make fans rage, but to expand the fanbase, to earn some money in hopes of keeping Devil May Cry alive, even if it meant to make these changes. It is a huge risk, but they felt like it was necessary.

On the other hand, I think the fans are owing Tameem and Ninja Theory an apology for their really bad behaviour.

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

Will DmC sell well? It depends on many things. Simple as that.

 

[Meg]

An apology would just be turned around by the anti-DmC fan base as 'proof' that NT was wrong. It would only serve to bring up past incidents and that's like prodding a dying fire at this point. I imagine videos posted on youtube saying "See! Oh, Now they want to say sorry! Nah, nah, Ninja Theory, it's too late for that! It'd just give the quiet haters more fuel to raise the flames. In any situation, I have learned, time is a healer and the best way to heal and calm past issues, pains and grievances.

Well in my situations I've learned that time heals all wounds but also leaves a scar that, when hit, reopens the wound and a sincere apology can really help heal the scar as well.

But considering this is a video game for pancake sakes I doubt this will remain an issue to anyone within a couple of years. (Depending on when the game comes out.)

Maybe I just have too much faith in people, but I like to assume the best (while not being surprised by the worst ).



EDIT:

I don't think Tameem or Ninja Theory or even Capcom should apologize for anything about the new Devil May Cry game. They haven't wronged anyone. That people took the changes personally isn't their fault or problem. People just aren't willing to suck it up and face reality. Instead of admitting that the problem might lie with the fans, they instead tend to hostilities and are busy pointing fingers at others. It is not Capcom's fault or Tameem's fault or Ninja theory's fault that there are fans so attached to these fictional characters and the games. They shouldn't bear that responsibility. They are making this new Devil May Cry for a reason and that reason isn't to make fans rage, but to expand the fanbase, to earn some money in hopes of keeping Devil May Cry alive, even if it meant to make these changes. It is a huge risk, but they felt like it was necessary.

On the other hand, I think the fans are owing Tameem and Ninja Theory an apology for their really bad behaviour.

It may not be a companies fault that a fan base explodes, but how they handled the explosion was poor. That's why I think that all the sides in this whole ridiculous DmC vs. DMC sh-

*ahem*

That's why I think both the fans, and Capcom, and NT are all to blame for something. Yes, the fans shouldn't have gotten so up in arms, but by reacting the way they did NT and Capcom made themselves look even worse, which led to the fans getting even more upset. So no, it's not NT/Capcom's fault for starting the fire, but they fed it.

And I'm sorry for being rude, but if someone can't see that then *facepalm*

 

[KenKen]

Hi, I'm Ken. I'm new here. I support the game, but don't take that as a refusal to hear other peoples' opinions, please.

But consider this: They're not trying to alienate fans. They've made some serious mistakes in the beginning, but they're trying to make a good game that will appeal to casual gamers and die-hard fans alike.

The DMC series has a dedicated, loyal fanbase. Some see this game as an abomination, some welcome it, and others don't care much.
And to the fans, NT and Capcom should try to make up for what happened during the first couple months (a PR nightmare) and stress the game's strong points.

All that said, if this game is going to sell well, Capcom and NT shouldn't only try to get the fans on board; it has to have a wider appeal than DMC had. And as far as I've seen, people seem to be warming up to this game more and more.


And as a side note:
The game has changed A LOT since the first two trailers. Most important changes were to Dante's appearance and the speed of the combat, although the latter still needs work. If they weren't listening to fans at all, why have the looks of the game improved so much?

 

[Meg]

And as a side note:
The game has changed A LOT since the first two trailers. Most important changes were to Dante's appearance and the speed of the combat, although the latter still needs work. If they weren't listening to fans at all, why have the looks of the game improved so much?

First off, hello! ^^

Secondly, Yes changes have been made, but that's normal in any game. DMC4 Dante looked different in the initial trailer than he did in the final game. I don't think it's NT/Capcom trying to cater to the fans so much as making normal changes seen in any game.

 

[KenKen]

First off, hello! ^^

Secondly, Yes changes have been made, but that's normal in any game. DMC4 Dante looked different in the initial trailer than he did in the final game. I don't think it's NT/Capcom trying to cater to the fans so much as making normal changes seen in any game.

Hello there!
Nice forums you got here!

Yes, in the DMC4 trailer, Dante looked like a mix between DMC1 and 2. I found that interesting.
And looking back, he looks drastically different from the final result. Very good example.
But the game engine has been improving because they do want fans to enjoy it. In my opinion (of course I can't really speak for NT and Capcom though).

 

[V's patron]

Well, an apology might help if it felt genuine.
But depends on what they are apologizing for.

It would seem like good publicity.

 

[ToCool74]

DMC4 Dante looked different in the initial trailer than he did in the final game.

Dear god, I just hated that Capcom decided to change Dante from his initial appearance in DMC4.

It was SOOOOOOO much better than his finalized look in the actual game.

The initial DMC4 Dante looked older than his DMC3 version but still younger than his final DMC4 appearance.




But due to the fact that he looked 'to young" they decided to change hm in favor of the newer younger protagonist Nero *sigh*. Guess they did not want to have 2 young and cool looking white haired Demon Hunters which is understandable in a way but still ridiculous when you ask why the heck could they have not just left Nero out entirely and let us keep the younger looking Dante?

But in this case I think Capcom and NT did the right thing to change his look.

He looks alot more "put together" than he did in the initial trailer and even looks pretty handsome.

His initial druggy and addict look was not appealing to me at all. But thats just my opinion.

Sorry for the offtopic everyone lol.

 

[V's patron]

^couldn't DMC4 just been a prequel game adapting the first light novel from vergil's perspective and playing thru his adventures in the manga and 3.

 

[KenKen]

^couldn't DMC4 just been a prequel game adapting the first light novel from vergil's perspective and playing thru his adventures in the manga and 3.

That would have been greatness.

But given his appearance in that teaser, I kinda hoped for a bridge between 1 and 2. Even though DMC 4 takes place in that time period, it doesn't really elaborate on Dante's or Virgil's stories.
It sold a hell of a lot though. So it wasn't a complete loss.
/shrug

 

[CoolDemon]

An apology would just be turned around by the anti-DmC fan base as 'proof' that NT was wrong. It would only serve to bring up past incidents and that's like prodding a dying fire at this point. I imagine videos posted on youtube saying "See! Oh, Now they want to say sorry! Nah, nah, Ninja Theory, it's too late for that! It'd just give the quiet haters more fuel to raise the flames. In any situation, I have learned, time is a healer and the best way to heal and calm past issues, pains and grievances.

It depends on the apology. As i clearly said if it's "machine" apology then everyone will ignore it. IF it's a honest apology, a GENUINE one, then people should accept it.

But as i said it's to late for it.

CoolDemon...this entire post is opinionated. Do you understand that? Some people don't like the Japanese influences of the original series. Some people don't like the outlandishness of Dante. Some people would even HATE it.
But the Punk movement may be cool to the same people who don't like the Japanese influences. It's all opinions, CoolDemon. Everytime you bring up this subject, it's just opinions, opinions, opinions.
You're not going to get anywhere with these types of posts.

Yes, it's all opinions. Tameem's, mine, yours, etc


But how is it that Tameem's opinion of Dante not being cool is right? It's just his opinion.

Many of you think i am saying DmC Dante is not cool. I am saying is that why is it that Tameem says that Dante is not cool because he's from 12 years ago. Punk movement is from 40 years ago.

 

[Ana]

But in this case I think Capcom and NT did the right thing to change his look.

He looks alot more "put together" than he did in the initial trailer and even looks pretty handsome.

His initial druggy and addict look was not appealing to me at all. But thats just my opinion.

I totally agree with this. He does look pretty handsome in some of the newer images. Not nearly as scrawny. Even the short hair looks a lot better.

Just, uh, putting that out there.

 

[Sieghart]

To be honest i never thought that the controversy about this game is this big.I always thought that is about the hair but after watching event status' videos it opened my eyes.I gotta admit that i kinda get angry at tam tam saying that dante is outdated but its now all cool since its just his opinion.Well if NT did apologize,there are some people that will forgive them and some will just laugh at them and say "too late for forgiveness"
Although its better than nothing.

 

[Tiran]

I think I might be able to put the whole "DMC fans were disrespected" thing into a clearer light.

NT has laughed at fans and keeps harping on how it's only the hair people are upset about. That is not true. Yes at first there was a lot of complaint about the hair, but after the first few months after the game's announcement NT was acting like that was still the only thing fans were complaining about. Fans had tons of different complaints and instead of listening to the fans concerns and hearing them out NT continued to ignore them. It's not even like NT had to do everything the fans said they should. Hell no, they should make the game they want to make. But the thing is they have a beloved series in their hands and they have made the fans that don't kiss up to them feel ignored and unimportant. Not even giving someone the time of day is rude and disrespectful. Yes, a lot of DMC fans were very rude and childish in regards to NT. But NT was rude to them in return which only added to the fire. The best way to calm an angry person down is to not feed their fire. Instead of having an arrogant attitude toward the DMC fans NT should of just said something like, "We understand your concern and we know it's never easy seeing a series you really like change. However, please keep in mind that this game is meant to be different from the others and that's why we are taking the path we did. We hope you will give it a chance."

Bam.

That's all they had to do. I bet you anything a lot of people would have calmed down some. After that NT could respond to the calm and level-headed fans' concerns (like meh ) while not paying much mind to the blind haters. I think you'll find there are more level-headed fans out there than crazy ones. It's just that NT has successfully p*ssed off such a large portion of the fan base that even some of the more level-minded fans are getting tired of their attitude.

The best thing NT can do now is apologize. That's the thing that gets me. They haven't been as annoying lately, but they haven't apologized for some of the things they've said. Even a "we realize we did not handle fan concerns as well as we could have" would of made a lot of people happy. But no. They keep acting like they did nothing wrong. All sides are at fault here. The DmC haters, the supports, Capcom, and NT all messed up and should have handled themselves better. If any one side stood up and said "look we messed up" then I guarantee that things would mellow out some on all sides. Especially if NT was the one who took the high road.

I for one would have more respect for them if they did that. But I doubt they, or anyone, would do that. Fo shame...

(Although even if NT apologized I probably still won't buy DmC because it looks awful XD.)

EDIT: Oh! I don't have time to do it now, but if you like I am more than willing to look for those interviews that show what I mean for anyone interested.

O.k. I'll say this once. THEY KNOW IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE HAIR AND THEY'VE MENTIONED THE CONCERN IN INTERVIEWS! Maybe not to the detail of a fan rant, but that has been addressed that they at least are aware of the concerns they'll have to prove wrong.

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[Dantino]

Let me explain something:

Tameem and many others said Dante needed a update. And Tameem said Dante is no longer cool because things from 12 years ago no longer is cool. He goes then and makes a new character (not a updated Dante from DMC), and the inspiration comes from around 40 years old Punk movement.

He disrespected DMC Dante.

They never said in beginning which Dante they were talking off. Everyone's perception of who the man named Dante is the same guy as DMC. And Even Tameem and Alex Jones talked about "Dante" and agreed to that he needed a update as in THE SAME GUY FROM DMC.
Tameem did not interupt the interviewer or "game reporter" and say "No, this is not the same Dante. It's a new Dante." Because how can you update DMC Dante when DmC Dante is not DMC Dante? And there is many things that are old and still cool, but why is it that Punk movement is cool but the things DMC Dante was made of is not?

Tameem disrespected DMC Dante.

I am not saying it's wrong to make a Dante that's inspired by Punk movement. I am saying that he said crap about DMC Dante when it is not true. The only thing that's not cool is cheesey lines or a character trying to be cool which is why DMC 4 Dante wasn't a great DAnte.

But DMC 1 Dante is very cool. And a disrespectful piece of garbage isn't the person to decide if he's cool or not. We decide.

DMC dante made 12year ago took inspiration from hundreds of years old japanese pop culture. DmC dante made now took inspiration from 40yrs punk movement. I think we all know which is more up to date.

 

[CoolDemon]

DMC dante made 12year ago took inspiration from hundreds of years old japanese pop culture. DmC dante made now took inspiration from 40yrs punk movement. I think we all know which is more up to date.

It doesn't matter if DMC or DmC Dante was based off 1000 years of stuff.
What matters is that Tameem said that Dante in DMC is not cool anymore because of when he was made and that's why they made DmC Dante. That 1978 Punk movement inspired DmC Dante is cooler.

DMC Dante is result of:
Cobra (1978-1984)
Blade (1998-2004)
D.C (only name used)

I don't know what japanese pop culture your talking about but what i listed is pretty much what shaped Dante.

 

[KenKen]

I don't know what japanese pop culture your talking about but what i listed is pretty much what shaped Dante.

Actually, the comparison post laid out some interesting points. Like the fact that white hair in Japanese lore means that you're a devil or that you're demon-possessed.
Also, the enemy design looks to be inspired by Japanese demons.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what's the most up to date and what isn't. As long as the game's awesome I will have no complaints.

 

[Dantino]

An apology. Lol. Fans/haters would nitpick that apology to the atoms and call it kissing ass just as someone on this forum said when tameem explained the uncharted statement he made. Nothin they do would please fans.
When hater/fans skeptics saw the hair complaint was boosha they focused on the flag on his shoulder"why is he british" & started crying me a river. They released a smooth,fast & no framerate drop Fight trailer. Haters found nothing to say about that but focused on a license plate that said "DMC5" and hung on to that d**k as a fault. They released a neat secret trailer haters/fans found nothing worthy and start Screaming "RIP-OFF"(Which game isn't like another in its genre) & "Crying AI" (There would be harder difficulties to spoil your controller with besides, basic enemies on easy in dmc's didn't do ****).
Nothin will please DmC haters. Kneeling down during interview & licking ass won't do nadda!!!

 

[CoolDemon]

An apology. Lol. Fans/haters would nitpick that apology to the atoms and call it kissing ass just as someone on this forum said when tameem explained the uncharted statement he made. Nothin they do would please fans.
When hater/fans skeptics saw the hair complaint was boosha they focused on the flag on his shoulder"why is he british" & started crying me a river. They released a smooth,fast & no framerate drop Fight trailer. Haters found nothing to say about that but focused on a license plate that said "DMC5" and hung on to that d**k as a fault. They released a neat secret trailer haters/fans found nothing worthy and start Screaming "RIP-OFF"(Which game isn't like another in its genre) & "Crying AI" (There would be harder difficulties to spoil your controller with besides, basic enemies on easy in dmc's didn't do ****).
Nothin will please DmC haters. Kneeling down during interview & licking ass won't do nadda!!!

And what are you if there are DmC haters? Are you a simple gamer who likes DmC? A simple like of DmC? Or do you have a obsessed like of DmC one that's equal with DmC haters?

There are two words "honest" and "genuine". They are the key to people forgiving you.
Though i personally wouldn't care about that apology because this late it would only seem like a "sales" action thing for me. However, i would probably forgive them.

And that license plate on car seems more like a insult to DMC serie than anything. Feel free to explain the purpose of the license plate. Because my interpretation of license plate is that "DMC 5 is dead" or old or wrecked.

Since you brought it up, some part of DmC does look like rip offs.

Actually, the comparison post laid out some interesting points. Like the fact that white hair in Japanese lore means that you're a devil or that you're demon-possessed.
Also, the enemy design looks to be inspired by Japanese demons.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what's the most up to date and what isn't. As long as the game's awesome I will have no complaints.

White hair means your demon possessed. The name Dante comes from D.C. The white hair comes from japanese folklore perception of white hair = possessed by a demon.

I don't know what you mean with comparison laid out interesting points. And i don't expect you care about what's up to date or not, i was just talking to Dantion.