why do people keep comparing this game to Dark Knight

[788Masri]

I've never heard of this comparison before...

ive used it a few times in anti DmC debates

I don't have big knowledge of parallel/alternative world, but i consider them both the same thing. And what makes them that from my view is fact it's not the same as the world we know of, and that it's acknowledged as a different world to the "normal" one that we are used to. That we the people know of it.

So from that viewpoint, how can DmC be a parallel or alternative world if the characters aren't aware of the world? Because a spokesman of a money greedy company says so?

A better term would be "parallel game". Not that i encourage such term to be used but just saying

well i do see capcom as a cooporation motivated by greed. i mean i blow a gasket every time they have on disc DLC BECAUSE IT MEANS THEY PUROSELY WITHELD IT FROM US FOR SOME EXTRA MONEY!!!!!!

its is just a different world. like how there could be a paralel univers where were all dinosaurs or i was born with laser eyes as opossed to telepathy...i mean err.. yh, its just a different universe its nothing more or less. of course it isnt actually real i mean it is a game. theyre just trying to put it in perspective.

Dark knight and this game, the circumstances are completely different.

Dark Knight it was that it was changes to his origin and appearance, but he still was the same strike fear into the heart of crime, Batman.

here they change the characters , appearance, powers, personality, and everything that makes Dante.

but this does remind me of a reboot done to a character similiar to Dante

A character was changed into the exact opposite of what the beloved original was, and against the fanbases will.

Dante was turned into an annoying little punk who really needs to be disciplined.
Deadpool was turned into a baraka rip off

excuse me but do you actually know what youre talking about? i mean you dont seem to understand the fundamentals of deadpool. allow me to explain:

Wade wilson (joke being hes related to slade wilson) was a mutant diagnosed with a terminal form of cancer. so he voluntered for the weapon X project. they cured his cancer by infusing wolverines dna (and several others) into him. the entire procedure was nothing less than torture. he was torn apart and put together (literally in some cases) it drove him mad. he's a joker because if he didnt hed literally go insane "i dont act insane because im insane i do it to stay sane".

now im a huge deadpool fan (one of the only marvel characters i like) i was just as annoyed as you were. not because of the design, or anything like that because in all fairness it was pretty close(ish). i was ****ed that they just threw him in so suddenly and didnt give us time to care. i mean its deadpool for chirsts sake he isnt that hard to like.

 

[mrrandomlulz]

ive used it a few times in anti DmC debates



well i do see capcom as a cooporation motivated by greed. i mean i blow a gasket every time they have on disc DLC BECAUSE IT MEANS THEY PUROSELY WITHELD IT FROM US FOR SOME EXTRA MONEY!!!!!!

its is just a different world. like how there could be a paralel univers where were all dinosaurs or i was born with laser eyes as opossed to telepathy...i mean err.. yh, its just a different universe its nothing more or less. of course it isnt actually real i mean it is a game. theyre just trying to put it in perspective.



excuse me but do you actually know what youre talking about? i mean you dont seem to understand the fundamentals of deadpool. allow me to explain:

Wade wilson (joke being hes related to slade wilson) was a mutant diagnosed with a terminal form of cancer. so he voluntered for the weapon X project. they cured his cancer by infusing wolverines dna (and several others) into him. the entire procedure was nothing less than torture. he was torn apart and put together (literally in some cases) it drove him mad. he's a joker because if he didnt hed literally go insane "i dont act insane because im insane i do it to stay sane".

now im a huge deadpool fan (one of the only marvel characters i like) i was just as annoyed as you were. not because of the design, or anything like that because in all fairness it was pretty close(ish). i was ****ed that they just threw him in so suddenly and didnt give us time to care. i mean its deadpool for chirsts sake he isnt that hard to like.

I know Deadpools origin, im a huge fan of his comics.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

I never thought batman as a good example of an alternate telling. The only thing I found relivant to alternate was the way Bruce Waynes story was told, Joker not being the same joker as he was in the older batman movies and animations, and Catwoman not being the same looking catwoman as past movies. I compare this DmC alternate story with the spiderman movies. I don't know how people felt about the first spiderman trilogy but I think of it like this;

The Spiderman trilogy focused on Peter Parker being Spiderman and his problems while being Spiderman. It had Toby Maguire as Peter Parrker and Chirstan Dust as Mary Jane. The three movies had a few memorible enimies like the Green Goblin, Dr. Octopus, The sandman, and Venom. Now after all that, you'd think they would continue on with that same cast, story, and style, but no. Instead, they decide to re tell the beginning of Spiderman and add new actors and a different mythology to the movies.

This Spiderman movie goes back to the original story of Spiderman and how it was told before Mary Jane came into the scene. Peter is played by someone new, and a new actress is the original girl. Spiderman's webs are differently explained from the original trilogy and the style is more up to date from the trilogy's "Comic book" cheesiness.

Now we go to DMC 1-3

This DMC focuses on Dante being a devil hunter and fighting demons, but each one has a different take on it. DMC1 was about Dante defeating Mundus and discovering why Trish looks like his mom. DMC2 was about Dante going to Vi du Marie to defeat Arius and his demon infested city. DMC3 is the reboot retelling of Dante's past and a different look from how DMC1 told it featuring more on his brother, a new female character, and a change in the DMC style from horror action, to anime narratives.

Now there's DmC:

This DmC is an alternate telling of Dante's past, much like DMC3 with DMC1, but this one may look the most different, but it focuses a few points from the DMC1 novels, which focus on Dante's early beginnings and him getting situated with being a demon hunter. The novel and the game may not be to a T, but they are carrying similar small aspects from one another.

But then again, I don't care as much if it is like the batman reboots, that doesn't change the fact that it's just a game and nothing more. It's not like God himself made the game, nor is it that big of a world important aspect. If the game is an alternate, it's an alternate.

 

[V's patron]

Dark knight and this game, the circumstances are completely different.

Dark Knight it was that it was changes to his origin and appearance, but he still was the same strike fear into the heart of crime, Batman.

here they change the characters , appearance, powers, personality, and everything that makes Dante.

but this does remind me of a reboot done to a character similiar to Dante

A character was changed into the exact opposite of what the beloved original was, and against the fanbases will.

Dante was turned into an annoying little punk who really needs to be disciplined.
Deadpool was turned into a baraka rip off

its cause its the reboot everybody's seen and everyone likes it, more or less.

when pitching someone something you try to give someone a reference to something similar that they will know and like in order to get them to try whatever you are showing.

the reason why its used is cause everyone knows it and loves it more than say something like Ultimate Marvel which less people know about it. You dont want the person scratching their head at your reference.

 

[Domenic93]

Mind you, Ninja Theory has used religious literature before in their games. Enslaved was entirely based off an ancient Chinese folklore. I doubt they would ignore such an important part of Devil May Cry.
Yes, Limbo was an idea before The Divine Comedy, but it relates to DmC because Dante is being guided through Limbo. Just like The Divine Comedy.

watch 0:28 to 1:37

 

[McdD]

Now we go to DMC 1-3

This DMC focuses on Dante being a devil hunter and fighting demons, but each one has a different take on it. DMC1 was about Dante defeating Mundus and discovering why Trish looks like his mom. DMC2 was about Dante going to Vi du Marie to defeat Arius and his demon infested city. DMC3 is the reboot retelling of Dante's past and a different look from how DMC1 told it featuring more on his brother, a new female character, and a change in the DMC style from horror action, to anime narratives.

DMC 1 was the foundation of a new game, including story and gameplay.
DMC 2 was a random story made up because Hideki Kamiya left the team.
DMC 3 went a alternative story about Vergil´s fall but it was consistent with DMC 1 story.

And the reasons why DMC 2 and 3 was like they were is because of key members of team were no longer there.

 

[HailTheKing]

I don't think they should compare this DmC with The Dark Knight, moreover Batman Begins because they only had the story changed. I mean like Batman's origins were all the same and his purpose for fighting against the crimes. But, this new DmC doesn't have the same background. Yeah it's a reboot like Batman but it doesn't have any similarity to the previous DMC titles except the character names.

I think they once compared the original DMC to DmC with Raging bull to Rocky, which I think is a good example. Both movies were about Boxing but the world and characters were different. Raging bull was more based on story whereas Rocky was more action packed! (Personally, Raging Bull is the best boxing film ever made)

 

[mrrandomlulz]

I don't think they should compare this DmC with The Dark Knight, moreover Batman Begins because they only had the story changed. I mean like Batman's origins were all the same and his purpose for fighting against the crimes. But, this new DmC doesn't have the same background. Yeah it's a reboot like Batman but it doesn't have any similarity to the previous DMC titles except the character names.

I think they once compared the original DMC to DmC with Raging bull to Rocky, which I think is a good example. Both movies were about Boxing but the world and characters were different. Raging bull was more based on story whereas Rocky was more action packed! (Personally, Raging Bull is the best boxing film ever made)

Bullsh*t Rocky kicks ass and you know it

 

[HailTheKing]

Bullsh*t Rocky kicks ass and you know it

Yeah I know it but dude have you watched the Raging Bull movie? De Niro kicks more ass then Sly! Anyway, both movies are great in their own respective, end of the discussion.

 

[Azurel]

ive used it a few times in anti DmC debates



well i do see capcom as a cooporation motivated by greed. i mean i blow a gasket every time they have on disc DLC BECAUSE IT MEANS THEY PUROSELY WITHELD IT FROM US FOR SOME EXTRA MONEY!!!!!!

its is just a different world. like how there could be a paralel univers where were all dinosaurs or i was born with laser eyes as opossed to telepathy...i mean err.. yh, its just a different universe its nothing more or less. of course it isnt actually real i mean it is a game. theyre just trying to put it in perspective.



excuse me but do you actually know what youre talking about? i mean you dont seem to understand the fundamentals of deadpool. allow me to explain:

Wade wilson (joke being hes related to slade wilson) was a mutant diagnosed with a terminal form of cancer. so he voluntered for the weapon X project. they cured his cancer by infusing wolverines dna (and several others) into him. the entire procedure was nothing less than torture. he was torn apart and put together (literally in some cases) it drove him mad. he's a joker because if he didnt hed literally go insane "i dont act insane because im insane i do it to stay sane".

now im a huge deadpool fan (one of the only marvel characters i like) i was just as annoyed as you were. not because of the design, or anything like that because in all fairness it was pretty close(ish). i was ****ed that they just threw him in so suddenly and didnt give us time to care. i mean its deadpool for chirsts sake he isnt that hard to like.

Hey, what about the origin of his name?

In the comics it was because he always won the bet pool on who was going to die next. This suggests a psychic power. Ironically enough, it was a power that he seemed to have lost when being infused with other mutants' DNA.

In the movie, however, it seems that the mutants' DNA is "pooled" into one powerful mutant.

I like how they used a fused DNA power to explain his teleportation abilities as opposed to just writing it off as to "Deadpool having a device on his belt," like it was in the comics.

Why make it a device when it could be explained away as a power?

This is why I liked Spider-Man's (movie version) organic webs. They even gave him organic webs in the comics (much later on) due to the popularity of the movie. However, they explained it so poorly and bizarrely that it's kind of ignored at this point. (He turned into a spider, then the spider died, then he popped out of the spider with organic web shooters...WHAT.)

He gave birth to himself??

This is why I don't read comics anymore. Retcons, and story fixes like this just keep disengaging me from the plot.

Before I go back to Deadpool, I want to point out a cool thing they could have done with the new Spider-Man.

The New Amazing Spider-Man trailer had a piece of very strong web coming out of his spine. And since, biologically, the web fluid would be in your spine and not your wrists, he could have made the web shooters to connect and tap into his spinal web fluid.

But no. They didn't do that. Wow, the story writes itself, and they just ignore it. This is one of the reasons why I'm not watching it.

Ok, fine, I'll watch it, but I won't like it.


Anyway, back to Deadpool.

They need a definitive origin to explain everything.

It's not that hard to do. Just do it.

And he needs to use his swords more. No, don't give me crap about that. He just needs to do it. I don't care.

I would like to have a definitive origin for every superhero that is at least SOMEWHAT plausible(yes, Bruce Wayne's money counts as a superpower. I don't care. It just does). But I guess that's too much to ask for.

Hopefully, Ninja Theory can explain everything about Dante leaving no plotholes.

Please Ninja Theory.

You've got the gameplay about right (except for a lack of a True Royalguard, which I have been tempted to start a thread over because I'm so ****ed about that. And no, Devil Mode "witch time" does not count), you've given us a Vergil with decent motivation to turn evil (he's probably frustrated that his crusade has gotten him little progress since he's gotten started, so, he's probably going to take more drastic measures. Plus, the path to hell is paved with good intentions), now just give us a story that explains everything.

 

[788Masri]

Hey, what about the origin of his name?

In the comics it was because he always won the bet pool on who was going to die next. This suggests a psychic power. Ironically enough, it was a power that he seemed to have lost when being infused with other mutants' DNA.
In the movie, however, it seems that the mutants' DNA is "pooled" into one powerful mutant.
I like how they used a fused DNA power to explain his teleportation abilities as opposed to just writing it off as to "Deadpool having a device on his belt," like it was in the comics.
Why make it a device when it could be explained away as a power?
This is why I liked Spider-Man's (movie version) organic webs. They even gave him organic webs in the comics (much later on) due to the popularity of the movie. However, they explained it so poorly and bizarrely that it's kind of ignored at this point. (He turned into a spider, then the spider died, then he popped out of the spider with organic web shooters...WHAT.)
He gave birth to himself??
This is why I don't read comics anymore. Retcons, and story fixes like this just keep disengaging me from the plot.
Before I go back to Deadpool, I want to point out a cool thing they could have done with the new Spider-Man.
The New Amazing Spider-Man trailer had a piece of very strong web coming out of his spine. And since, biologically, the web fluid would be in your spine and not your wrists, he could have made the web shooters to connect and tap into his spinal web fluid.
But no. They didn't do that. Wow, the story writes itself, and they just ignore it. This is one of the reasons why I'm not watching it.
Ok, fine, I'll watch it, but I won't like it.
Anyway, back to Deadpool.
They need a definitive origin to explain everything.
It's not that hard to do. Just do it.
And he needs to use his swords more. No, don't give me crap about that. He just needs to do it. I don't care.
Sorry. I won't do that again.

regarding deadpool. im pretty sure his mutant ability was that his reflexes where 1000 times faster than a humans. so he could literally catch a bullet. hence why he's so good with swords. to him were moving in slow motion.speaking of swords...bone swords...REALLY MOVIE? that is both stupid and impractical. you have a trained swordsman and you give him sword bones? i mean not only will he fight worse than when he had swords, how the hell did you even do that? i mean theres a difference between claws and swords.

regarding spiderman im actually prefering this one. i mean one of the points was that he was a science genius not just a dork. and they legitimise his shooters by having it being an adaption of his fathers project which makes sense. i only read some comics, GL, Deadpool, new superman &new teentitans on a regular basis so my info isnt always 100 correct.

now back to DmC, they alreadt showed us that dante can parry any attack if you attack the same time as your oponent with a weapon of equal strength. (poison not included) so i imagin when you upgrade theyll buil on that to create a royal guard mechanic. and tbh i was more of a "trickster" than a royal guard.

 

[mrrandomlulz]

Hey, what about the origin of his name?

In the comics it was because he always won the bet pool on who was going to die next. This suggests a psychic power. Ironically enough, it was a power that he seemed to have lost when being infused with other mutants' DNA.

In the movie, however, it seems that the mutants' DNA is "pooled" into one powerful mutant.

I like how they used a fused DNA power to explain his teleportation abilities as opposed to just writing it off as to "Deadpool having a device on his belt," like it was in the comics.

Why make it a device when it could be explained away as a power?

This is why I liked Spider-Man's (movie version) organic webs. They even gave him organic webs in the comics (much later on) due to the popularity of the movie. However, they explained it so poorly and bizarrely that it's kind of ignored at this point. (He turned into a spider, then the spider died, then he popped out of the spider with organic web shooters...WHAT.)

He gave birth to himself??

This is why I don't read comics anymore. Retcons, and story fixes like this just keep disengaging me from the plot.

translation : I am mad because the story doesn't happen EXACTLY how it want it to

Before I go back to Deadpool, I want to point out a cool thing they could have done with the new Spider-Man.

The New Amazing Spider-Man trailer had a piece of very strong web coming out of his spine. And since, biologically, the web fluid would be in your spine and not your wrists, he could have made the web shooters to connect and tap into his spinal web fluid.
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But no. They didn't do that. Wow, the story writes itself, and they just ignore it. This is one of the reasons why I'm not watching it.

Amazing Spiderman hasn't even come out yet, how do you know whether or not the story is going to be good

Ok, fine, I'll watch it, but I won't like it.


Anyway, back to Deadpool.

They need a definitive origin to explain everything.

It's not that hard to do. Just do it.



And he needs to use his swords more. No, don't give me crap about that. He just needs to do it. I don't care.
He uses his swords plenty

I would like to have a definitive origin for every superhero that is at least SOMEWHAT plausible(yes, Bruce Wayne's money counts as a superpower. I don't care. It just does). But I guess that's too much to ask for.

Hopefully, Ninja Theory can explain everything about Dante leaving no plotholes.

Please Ninja Theory.

You've got the gameplay about right (except for a lack of a True Royalguard, which I have been tempted to start a thread over because I'm so ****ed about that. And no, Devil Mode "witch time" does not count), you've given us a Vergil with decent motivation to turn evil (he's probably frustrated that his crusade has gotten him little progress since he's gotten started, so, he's probably going to take more drastic measures. Plus, the path to hell is paved with good intentions), now just give us a story that explains everything.

Wow, let's just see how the story plays out, Ninja Theory's story telling skills are highly overrated

ALL RIGHT, STOP! DEVIL TIME!

UH OH UH OH UH OH!

Sorry. I won't do that again.

 

[Azurel]

Fine. Whatever.

 

[GamblingGambitCloud]

Yes but he doesn't have the same personality, reboot Batman had the same personality.

Yet again, this is more like Barakapool,

They made him the EXACT OPPOSITE of what he was,

If you don't get my drift, I mean Deadpool had his mouth STITCHED SHUT in Xmen:Origins Wolverine, where as the original Deadpool was "The Merc With a Mouth"
In this
Dante is changed from "Stylish Demon hunter" to "Youthful Rebel". Basically, instead of making clever and witty one liners, New Dante curses every 5 seconds.

Plus the characters name is just there because he was he was named that in the original.

Deadpool in the original Marvel Comics was named Deadpool for a reason. He was put into Weapon X to stop himself from dying of cancer, in the long run though the healing factor he was injected with backfired and made his cancer worse, he was in a deadpool (which is basically seeing how long until you are going to die), then when all hope seemed lost, the healing factor caved in and saved him. And he named himself Deadpool because he beat the odds and survived the deadpool.

In Xmen origins: Wolverine, he had his mouth stitched shut, forced into the weapon X program, and given a crapload of powers. Stryker named him Deadpool for no reason, other than that's what he was called in the comics.

In DMC, Dante was named Dante as a reference to La Divina Comedia, a lot of characters names referenced it, Trish, Lucia, Vergil. Even the town in DMC4 was called "Fortuna". HECK ONE OF THE LEVELS (I think it was one of the final ones) IN DMC4 was the name of one of Alighieri's other works.

In DmC, Dante is called Dante purely because that was his name in the original. And the girl guiding him (AKA the only other character we've seen) not only does not have a name referencing La Divina Comedia (Which is understandable, considering the limited amount of characters in the epic poem) , but has a name that does not reference Rennaissance art whatsoever.

Are you seriously gonna argue comics with me?

First: This is a work of fiction. The character can be how ever the hell they want it to be and described how ever the hell they want to describe it.

Second: Saying how Deadpool in comics is opposite from Deadpool in the movie is NOTHING NEAR SIMILAR to saying how DmC Dante is different from DMC Dante. Dante isn't the opposite of Dante, he is just somewhat different.

Third: They said Dante will develop into the Dante we know and love. Now, this will either proven to be true or not when the game is released, assuming now is just ludicrous.

Fourth: Deadpool was Deadpool in the beginning of the movie, before Stryker f*cked him up. It's not like he wasn't there AT ALL. And there were aspects of his character they portrayed well while others they didn't. From what we've seen of DmC Dante, his personality is there, just amplified because he is so young. DMC3 Dante didn't act like his age. Not that it's bad, that may be what they wanted. But NT wants Dante to be a youth.

Fifth: They have use for that Deadpool in the movie. Ever think that maybe they could use that scene in the opening of the Deadpool movie, only to show that it's Wade in the movie theater watching, being his annoying self about how that didn't happen? He tends to do that in the comics. So how do we know that there isn't a utility for new Dante's personality to develop into the old one? It seems like a "coming of age"/"coming to terms with one's self and maturing" story. Guess what. That development tends to happen in that kind of story.

Sixth (and on topic): Batman Begins is just another origin story of the character, changing little elements to what fits the story. This is just like Spider-man. This is just like DmC. I can definitely see the comparison because it's the same character with a tweaked story. Same powers. Same objective. Same alignment. If it walks, talks, and acts like a duck, it's not a platypus.

... but they aren't. And neither is DmC. It's simply a manner of speech to say that it is not part of the other games.

Technically, Nocturne is in the same universe, as it's canon to DMC

 

[Agility]

I believe that the comparisons are the actual moods of the series.

In the first Batman films, you can say they carried out like comic books.

In the Dark knight films, you can say they are being carried out as graphic novels.

It's fiction vs non fiction.
Cartoon vs animation (anime).
etc etc

 

[mrrandomlulz]

Are you seriously gonna argue comics with me?

Third: They said Dante will develop into the Dante we know and love. Now, this will either proven to be true or not when the game is released, assuming now is just ludicrous.
Fine let us just wait
Fourth: Deadpool was Deadpool in the beginning of the movie, before Stryker f*cked him up. It's not like he wasn't there AT ALL. And there were aspects of his character they portrayed well while others they didn't. From what we've seen of DmC Dante, his personality is there, just amplified because he is so young. DMC3 Dante didn't act like his age. Not that it's bad, that may be what they wanted. But NT wants Dante to be a youth.

Technically, Nocturne is in the same universe, as it's canon to DMC

And TBH The game does look good. It just doesn't look like it's story is even as good as They Live was. Really if Capcom wanted a good story, they should've just gone to Ubisoft and asked for some writing tips from the group who made AC. But NT looks great too, its also nice to see NT catching up in the gameplay department where they originally lacked.