why do people keep comparing this game to Dark Knight

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Dark knight and this game, the circumstances are completely different.

Dark Knight it was that it was changes to his origin and appearance, but he still was the same strike fear into the heart of crime, Batman.

here they change the characters , appearance, powers, personality, and everything that makes Dante.

but this does remind me of a reboot done to a character similiar to Dante
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A character was changed into the exact opposite of what the beloved original was, and against the fanbases will.

Dante was turned into an annoying little punk who really needs to be disciplined.
Deadpool was turned into a baraka rip off
 
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Dante47 said:
I disagree. Batman has never been as weak of a person as he is in the Dark Knight trilogy. They focus more on the man, Bruce Wayne, rather than the symbol, Batman. There's no guarantee Batman will win, and Batman nearly went over the edge in the last film.
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but he was still the same Batman.
A heroic vigilante of the night, hellbent on stopping crime in the city.
 
mrrandomlulz said:
but he was still the same Batman.
A heroic vigilante of the night, hellbent on stopping crime in the city.
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mrrandomlulz said:
but he was still the same Batman.
A heroic vigilante of the night, hellbent on stopping crime in the city.
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by that logic, Dante is still a half-demon demon hunter hellbent on slaying demons
 
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GamblingGambitCloud said:
by that logic, Dante is still a half-demon demon hunter hellbent on slaying demons
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Yes but he doesn't have the same personality, reboot Batman had the same personality.

Yet again, this is more like Barakapool,

They made him the EXACT OPPOSITE of what he was,

If you don't get my drift, I mean Deadpool had his mouth STITCHED SHUT in Xmen:Origins Wolverine, where as the original Deadpool was "The Merc With a Mouth"
In this
Dante is changed from "Stylish Demon hunter" to "Youthful Rebel". Basically, instead of making clever and witty one liners, New Dante curses every 5 seconds.

Plus the characters name is just there because he was he was named that in the original.

Deadpool in the original Marvel Comics was named Deadpool for a reason. He was put into Weapon X to stop himself from dying of cancer, in the long run though the healing factor he was injected with backfired and made his cancer worse, he was in a deadpool (which is basically seeing how long until you are going to die), then when all hope seemed lost, the healing factor caved in and saved him. And he named himself Deadpool because he beat the odds and survived the deadpool.

In Xmen origins: Wolverine, he had his mouth stitched shut, forced into the weapon X program, and given a crapload of powers. Stryker named him Deadpool for no reason, other than that's what he was called in the comics.

In DMC, Dante was named Dante as a reference to La Divina Comedia, a lot of characters names referenced it, Trish, Lucia, Vergil. Even the town in DMC4 was called "Fortuna". HECK ONE OF THE LEVELS (I think it was one of the final ones) IN DMC4 was the name of one of Alighieri's other works.

In DmC, Dante is called Dante purely because that was his name in the original. And the girl guiding him (AKA the only other character we've seen) not only does not have a name referencing La Divina Comedia (Which is understandable, considering the limited amount of characters in the epic poem) , but has a name that does not reference Rennaissance art whatsoever.
 
But there are tons of references to the Divine Comedy in this game (e.g. Limbo, St. Catherine, etc). Ninja Theory also said that the events of the other games will be accomadated for. He will turn into the old Dante as his character develops.
Kat is a reference to St. Catherine by the way.
 
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Dante47 said:
But there are tons of references to the Divine Comedy in this game (e.g. Limbo, St. Catherine, etc). Ninja Theory also said that the events of the other games will be accomadated for. He will turn into the old Dante as his character develops.
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Limbo is not really a reference to The Divine Comedy as it was there before the Divine Comedy was made
 
The comparison comes from the director who used the Batman reboot as an example of why reboots are a good thing.

But I agree with you. The Dark Knight series and DmC are two very different types of reboot.

Batman is still very easily recognized as Batman. The design follows very familiar patters: dark color suit, cowel that cover everything but the eyes and mouth, cape with a serrated end for a bat effect and gaget belt. The major changes were the lenght of the ears and the change from a 'muscle' suit to a tacticle one. Bruce Wayne is stil a recognizable Bruce Wayne, black hair, expensive suit, playboy, irresponsible bussines man, handsome, grown boy/man child type.

All in all, this Batman doesn't take a second glance to know it's Batman, this Dante did.
 
mrrandomlulz said:
Limbo is not really a reference to The Divine Comedy as it was there before the Divine Comedy was made
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Mind you, Ninja Theory has used religious literature before in their games. Enslaved was entirely based off an ancient Chinese folklore. I doubt they would ignore such an important part of Devil May Cry.
Yes, Limbo was an idea before The Divine Comedy, but it relates to DmC because Dante is being guided through Limbo. Just like The Divine Comedy.
 
People compare DmC and Dark Knight to please themself because rebooting has happened to Batman.
And it's a way for the developers to defend themself.
It's the kind of mentality that is embraced to allow people to say "Well it happened to Batman...so it's ok!".


Tameem Antoniades expressed DMC and DmC is like Adam West Batman (1960s) and the Dark Knight (2008, which cleary it is not.

Adam west: Outdated movie
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The Dark Knight: a modern Batman
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The Dark Knight took the originals foundation and did a great job at succeeding it.


Then we got DmC and DMC:
Just a change of artistic style.

From japanese to western.

DMC does not look outdated. It's story went off the track because of Capcom. Not to mention they did a great job at ****ing Dante's character with cheesy lines and bad character designs.
No offence to everyone who look at DMC 4 Dante, and like him but compared to DMC 1 Dante he's just a ugly cowboy looking guy:

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If anything DMC became it is a frankeinstein game with bad character design, cheesy lines, and inconsistent storyline.
 
Because they're both alternate-universe re-tellings of an origin story?

That happens to superheroes A LOT.

DMC doesn't look very outdated, but it does look like a shounen anime.
It looks outlandish and unrealistic, just like Monkey and Nariko do.

I like anime as much as the next guy, but I'm open to alternate takes on a character.
I'm going to imagine Heavenly Sword set in a futuristic era now, bye.
 
McdD said:
Tameem Antoniades expressed DMC and DmC is like Adam West Batman (1960s) and the Dark Knight (2008, which cleary it is not.
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actually im pretty sure that was me :P


people (me included) compare it to batman as when you look at the four movies and games you see some odd similairites

first game&movie: brand new direction, a huge success changed the genre completely
second game&movie: much darker then the 1st, didnt get a good critical reception
Third game&movie: new take on the franchise, a huge hit and is ranked as most successful
Fourth game&movie : attempts to immitate the third. didnt work as many things were not adressed and some things just plain ignored. entire thing was a little too silly.

as such seeing as DMC so far has imitated batman films pretty closely im using it as a sensible (optimistic) comparison.

also what do you mean didnt change batman...bruce wayne was cast by a different actor every time. Batman was a mess, need i remind you that in the first film he had a turret gun in his batmobile. what they kept the same was the concept. bruce wayne traumatized by his parents murder becomes batman. EVERYTHING from that point is completely different than the comic and the previous films. similairly dante is still the same, son of sparda. half demon fighting demons with style. so sit down @mrrandomlulz
 
McdD said:
If anything DMC became it is a frankeinstein game with bad character design, cheesy lines, and inconsistent storyline.
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A large contributing factor to that was that each game was trated rather individualy. Story, characters, history and other considerations were made but they treated each title very differently and developed them each with very different goals in mind. The result were 4 games with very different looks, color pallets, characters behaviours, themes, target audiences, and design choises. Externally, yeah, they look like they're related but upon closer inspection you see that the sililareties are rather shallow, like a list of requirements that once meet the rest is up to the people making it. I could go into specifics but that would get borring.
 
788Masri said:
also what do you mean didnt change batman...bruce wayne was cast by a different actor every time. Batman was a mess, need i remind you that in the first film he had a turret gun in his batmobile. what they kept the same was the concept. bruce wayne traumatized by his parents murder becomes batman. EVERYTHING from that point is completely different than the comic and the previous films. similairly dante is still the same, son of sparda. half demon fighting demons with style. so sit down @mrrandomlulz
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When you make a reboot character where it's variables is different from the original character your making a new character. So it's not the same son of Sparda.
It's an alternative son of Sparda. Not that i believe in silly terms like that because the alernative world has no connection DMC world, and neither has it no significance outside of the game.
Like i can say and think "It's an alternative world, DmC is that!", but is it really? I don't think so.
It's a term that probably has been created to deflect critism from original work.

And it's really weird how DmC is talking about brainwashing when people accept the term "alternative universe", when that term has no signifigance outside or inside a work.
Will we see DMC and DmC Dante world collide? Will original Dante and the alternative Dante meet up?
If they are going to then it's justified to call it a alternative reality, but if not then it's just a term created by corporations to use to influence consumers postively when a product is being changed.

Like i saw a Batman animation where the second world war was lost, and the story of world was different. And Batman had changed etc. World was in sci fiction.
That story clearly embraced a alternative world. It was part of the story. But in DmC there is nothing in story that makes it an alternative world other than a spokesman calling it that.

berto said:
A large contributing factor to that was that each game was trated rather individualy. Story, characters, history and other considerations were made but they treated each title very differently and developed them each with very different goals in mind. The result were 4 games with very different looks, color pallets, characters behaviours, themes, target audiences, and design choises. Externally, yeah, they look like they're related but upon closer inspection you see that the sililareties are rather shallow, like a list of requirements that once meet the rest is up to the people making it. I could go into specifics but that would get borring.
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Let me see if i understood you correctly. Basically new teams kept certain things (such as character Dante), but did whatever they wanted with story ?



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If anyone wants to watch how the word "alternative world" is appropriate then watch this animation of DC:

Second world war lost, Batman, Superman etc are all in it.

Batman is leading the ressistance...

And every character is conscious that they are in a different universe.
 
McdD said:
When you make a reboot character where it's variables is different from the original character your making a new character. So it's not the same son of Sparda.
It's an alternative son of Sparda. Not that i believe in silly terms like that because the alernative world has no connection DMC world, and neither has it no significance outside of the game.
Like i can say and think "It's an alternative world, DmC is that!", but is it really? I don't think so.
It's a term that probably has been created to deflect critism from original work.

And it's really weird how DmC is talking about brainwashing when people accept the term "alternative universe", when that term has no signifigance outside or inside a work.
Will we see DMC and DmC Dante world collide? Will original Dante and the alternative Dante meet up?
If they are going to then it's justified to call it a alternative reality, but if not then it's just a term created by corporations to use to influence consumers postively when a product is being changed.

Like i saw a Batman animation where the second world war was lost, and the story of world was different. And Batman had changed etc. World was in sci fiction.
That story clearly embraced a alternative world. It was part of the story. But in DmC there is nothing in story that makes it an alternative world other than a spokesman calling it that.
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i respect your POV McdD but im gonna have to go all science nerd on you:
alternate reality=alternate universe accoriding to the parralel universe thoery and every quantum and mechanical law derrived so far :P

anyhow, what your referencing was a JLU episode where the alies lost WW2. bruce wayne didnt become actually batman. he just became head of the resistance against the nazi regime that killed his parents. and it wasnt an alternate reality it was that history had been rewritten.

my point being i feel there are two possible reasons why DmC are avoiding the word reboot like the plague:

1. they are really scared of fans (who can blame them i mean death threats...really? :mad:) and are trying to avoid anymore negative reception

2. (my personal preference) theyre trying to leave an opening for a DMC5, so we could have a DmC running paralel to DMC sorta like infinity wards COD and trayarchs.
 
788Masri said:
i respect your POV McdD but im gonna have to go all science nerd on you:
alternate reality=alternate universe accoriding to the parralel universe thoery and every quantum and mechanical law derrived so far :P

anyhow, what your referencing was a JLU episode where the alies lost WW2. bruce wayne didnt become actually batman. he just became head of the resistance against the nazi regime that killed his parents. and it wasnt an alternate reality it was that history had been rewritten.
How can it not be an alternative world just because history has been rewritten? Didn't the heroes just morph into that new world out of blue?

my point being i feel there are two possible reasons why DmC are avoiding the word reboot like the plague:

1. they are really scared of fans (who can blame them i mean death threats...really? :mad:) and are trying to avoid anymore negative reception
I don't believe that. Using the word "reboot" pales in comparison to wanting Dante to be gay, and that's something Tameem said he wish he could do. So if they aren't afraid of wanting their Dante to be gay then why should they be afraid of using word reboot.

2. (my personal preference) theyre trying to leave an opening for a DMC5, so we could have a DmC running paralel to DMC sorta like infinity wards COD and trayarchs.
Any intelligent person should open their eyes and realize Capcom is a money greedy company, and that is why they will not say "We will stop making DMC games", because if DmC fails they will not have DMC to fall back on. Open up your eyes Masri, your smarter than that.
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I don't have big knowledge of parallel/alternative world, but i consider them both the same thing. And what makes them that from my view is fact it's not the same as the world we know of, and that it's acknowledged as a different world to the "normal" one that we are used to. That we the people know of it.

So from that viewpoint, how can DmC be a parallel or alternative world if the characters aren't aware of the world? Because a spokesman of a money greedy company says so?

A better term would be "parallel game". Not that i encourage such term to be used but just saying :)
 
Parallel world is simply a term used to describe a world that you are not used to, like you already said. In this case, you were used to the world of DMC, so they are throwing you into a completely different setting and characters who are basically copies of the originals with different background/personalities/looks/etc. So NT and Capcom aren't literally saying "it's taking place in a parallel dimension world thingie" they are saying "it's a whole new game that has nothing to do with the previous ones except for re-occurring themes." That is why they use the word "retelling" a lot. It's not that... hard to understand...
 
AngelMode said:
Parallel world is simply a term used to describe a world that you are not used to, like you already said. In this case, you were used to the world of DMC, so they are throwing you into a completely different setting and characters who are basically copies of the originals with different background/personalities/looks/etc. So NT and Capcom aren't literally saying "it's taking place in a parallel dimension world thingie" they are saying "it's a whole new game that has nothing to do with the previous ones except for re-occurring themes." That is why they use the word "retelling" a lot. It's not that... hard to understand...
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Wouldn't that make Bayonetta, Viewtful Joe and Noctourne parallel worlds to DMC?
 
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