What Now DmC Fans (this could include DMC fans as well)

[Chancey289]

Whatever. F#ck this. I'm going watch cartoons.

 

[Jak]

Read my quote again I never said you said DmC was the best DMC now did I?

Please learn what a plot hole is please.

Plot Hole: Something that goes against logic or the previous events in the fiction.
Not a Plot Hole: A small unexplained event in the story.

Nero is an unanswered question. His existence doesn't contradict anything just creates unsolved questions (its not like DmC has its fair share of unsolved questions).

Vergil looks like Dante what is your point? Nero is most likely related to him so he is bound to look similar.

Please I play DMC4 pretty often and fully accessed both characters abilities Nero is quite different from Dante. The payoff they both produce are quite different and the tricks and combos both utilize are quite not the same. The only similar move they have are the High Roller/High Time, Helm Breaker/Split, and a shoot option even their guns produces different results (well Nero's gun being different).

A contradiction I see...if DMC4 took steps back yet you admit "but actually let you switch in between everything without being restricted to a certain move set at a time" I fail to see how is that taking steps backwards since its improving upon aspects that gives a strong leverage over DMC3.

As for being new he was new. Unless if the Exceed and Buster mechanics existed before in the DMC franchise prior to DMC4 then he is new for he utilizes new mechanics never before seen in the franchise.

There for your argument is invalid.

i'm one of those idiots that thinks that anything after DMC2 is a plot hole. i get the fact that DMC3 was supposed to be a reboot and usher in a new continuity but since capcom wasn't trying to take that heat they just slapped the number 3 on there, but since they keep insisting that DMC3 and 4 are part of the old continuity, then i guess both vergil and nero are plotholes. how is vergil alive? doesn't that go against the set continuity that clearly states that vergil has been dead for 20 years? and how would nero be vergil's son if nero is in his late teens and vergil died in his late teens? unless you want to say that vergil had a kid when he was 10. its just, the whole timeline is pretty faked up. therefore, both vergil and nero are plotholes

 

[Jak]

making DmC2 would get some hate but not on the level that that DmC got. especially if they input some of the tweeks that people are asking for. but i feel as if NT and capcom would be more respected if they went ahead and finished the story that they set out to tell instead of cowering behind a pillow and saying "here, take the classic dante back. now stop hurting us". making a DMC5 would be a pussy move

 

[Stylish Nero]

i'm one of those idiots that thinks that anything after DMC2 is a plot hole. i get the fact that DMC3 was supposed to be a reboot and usher in a new continuity but since capcom wasn't trying to take that heat they just slapped the number 3 on there, but since they keep insisting that DMC3 and 4 are part of the old continuity, then i guess both vergil and nero are plotholes. how is vergil alive? doesn't that go against the set continuity that clearly states that vergil has been dead for 20 years? and how would nero be vergil's son if nero is in his late teens and vergil died in his late teens? unless you want to say that vergil had a kid when he was 10. its just, the whole timeline is pretty faked up. therefore, both vergil and nero are plotholes

Can I see a source where it states such information of DMC3 being a new continuity?

In the DMC3 manga (written by Noboru Sugimori the same guy who wrote DMC1) explains that the demons thought that Vergil died in the accident so it was general knowledge that he was dead but he was in fact alive and kept his existence hidden so demons thought he was dead but he was alive.

Vergil could've had Nero before DMC3 and the DMC3 manga so mid teens (15-17), Nero was 17 years old in DMC4 and to this day how old Dante was in DMC4 (how old Vergil would be during DMC4) is still unknown.

 

[Chancey289]

i'm one of those idiots that thinks that anything after DMC2 is a plot hole. i get the fact that DMC3 was supposed to be a reboot and usher in a new continuity but since capcom wasn't trying to take that heat they just slapped the number 3 on there, but since they keep insisting that DMC3 and 4 are part of the old continuity, then i guess both vergil and nero are plotholes. how is vergil alive? doesn't that go against the set continuity that clearly states that vergil has been dead for 20 years? and how would nero be vergil's son if nero is in his late teens and vergil died in his late teens? unless you want to say that vergil had a kid when he was 10. its just, the whole timeline is pretty faked up. therefore, both vergil and nero are plotholes

DMC 3 contradicts the entire established canon that came beforehand. This sh!t is a mess and riddled with plot holes and continuity issues. Now back to Chip n Dale Rescue Rangers.

 

[Stylish Nero]

making DmC2 would get some hate but not on the level that that DmC got. especially if they input some of the tweeks that people are asking for. but i feel as if NT and capcom would be more respected if they went ahead and finished the story that they set out to tell instead of cowering behind a pillow and saying "here, take the classic dante back. now stop hurting us". making a DMC5 would be a pussy move

Hey plenty of people wished Capcom at least finished the old series first before rebooting it.

Not finishing DMC and leaving the fanbase with so many unanswered questions to do a reboot that they didn't want to make themselves is a lazy/irresponsible move.

DmC exists out of pure greed of thinking casualizing and westernizing a series would make them more money rather push out a quality title.

Besides Capcom never finishes anything they start....DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CAPCOM SERIES THAT REALLY DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL CONCLUSION AND CAN EASILY CONTINUE but haven't seen a game in ages?

The only series I seen them finish were the MegaMan sub series (Zero, BN, & SF) and even then when one end they just make a new one (ZX) and don't finish it.

Plus why do you care? DMC5 IS THEIR ONLY OPTION RIGHT NOW!!! Since NT is busy with another project.

This isn't a matter of DMC5 over DmC2 or DmC2 over DMC5 its a matter of "CAPCOM CAN'T MAKE DmC2 NOW SINCE NT IS BUSY. SO SHOULD THEY MAKE DMC5 IN THE MEANWHILE?"

DMC5 (or a new DMC game) is their only option right now. So what should they just wait 3-4 years and have the Devil May Cry license do jack sh*t while NT is doing something else? Or would you opt to continue DmC without NT?

 

[Stylish Nero]

DMC 3 contradicts the entire established canon that came beforehand. This sh!t is a mess and riddled with plot holes and continuity issues. Now back to Chip n Dale Rescue Rangers.

...Such as.......

I bet you can't even list 3 plot holes between DMC3 and DMC1 at the least otherwise don't misuse the English language with unnecessary hyperbole's.

 

[Jak]

Hey plenty of people wished Capcom at least finished the old series first before rebooting it.

Not finishing DMC and leaving the fanbase with so many unanswered questions to do a reboot that they didn't want to make themselves is a lazy/irresponsible move.

DmC exists out of pure greed of thinking casualizing and westernizing a series would make them more money rather push out a quality title.

Besides Capcom never finishes anything they start....DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CAPCOM SERIES THAT REALLY DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL CONCLUSION AND CAN EASILY CONTINUE but haven't seen a game in ages?

The only series I seen them finish were the MegaMan sub series (Zero, BN, & SF) and even then when one end they just make a new one (ZX) and don't finish it.

Plus why do you care? DMC5 IS THEIR ONLY OPTION RIGHT NOW!!! Since NT is busy with another project.

This isn't a matter of DMC5 over DmC2 or DmC2 over DMC5 its a matter of "CAPCOM CAN'T MAKE DmC2 NOW SINCE NT IS BUSY. SO SHOULD THEY MAKE DMC5 IN THE MEANWHILE?"

DMC5 (or a new DMC game) is their only option right now. So what should they just wait 3-4 years and have the Devil May Cry license do jack sh*t while NT is doing something else? Or would you opt to continue DmC without NT?

personally, i'd shelf devil may cry period. but since i don't think capcom would do that, they should stick with DmC for now.

 

[Stylish Nero]

personally, i'd shelf devil may cry period. but since i don't think capcom would do that, they should stick with DmC for now.

So you'd want them to make DmC2 themselves?

 

[Jak]

So you'd want them to make DmC2 themselves?

hell no. they should either stick with NT and wait or not do a damn thing with the series. i honestly think rebooting the series with DMC3 in the first place was a bad idea anyway. but i can look past that. then they scrap their initial idea for having DMC4 take place between DMC3 and DMC1 (to actually explain **** and not complicate things even more) but "NO"...what do they do? they introduce a totally new character that complicates **** even more. and then they have the nerve to put all that weight on NT who was like "ok, i guess we can fix then" but then capcom pussies out and say "well the story line has gotten too complicated, so we need to reboot the entire franchise". ****ing asshats. glad i got that out of my system

 

[Stylish Nero]

hell no. they should either stick with NT and wait or not do a damn thing with the series. i honestly think rebooting the series with DMC3 in the first place was a bad idea anyway. but i can look past that. then they scrap their initial idea for having DMC4 take place between DMC3 and DMC1 (to actually explain **** and not complicate things even more) but "NO"...what do they do? they introduce a totally new character that complicates **** even more. and then they have the nerve to put all that weight on NT who was like "ok, i guess we can fix then" but then capcom pussies out and say "well the story line has gotten too complicated, so we need to reboot the entire franchise". ******* asshats. glad i got that out of my system

Capcom has never said the story got too completed so they'll reboot the series (in fact the MegaMan and RE timeline and story were FAR MORE COMPLEX AND CONFUSING than DMC and you don't see them reboot those series............yet).

They rebooted DMC for money...nothing else nothing more and when DmC failed to get what they initially wanted and hope for to sell as much as God of War and ends up being the worst selling in the series....what now Capcom.

Where was it stated that DMC4 was originally planned to take place between DMC1 and DMC3 in fact Itsuno said that Nero was ultimately planned with DMC4 from the start and moved production to the PS3 since Nero's gameplay mechanics were too much for the PS2 hardware to work on apparently.

DMC4 was supposed to be something different but Nero was still going to be in it as a main character.

In fact where are you even getting these ridiculous sources. I get mine from the DMC4 official artbook that describes each detail about the development of DMC4.

I mean DMC is not Capcom first and only game/series where its constantly going through different dev teams and writers. I mean the MegaMan Zero series as a sequel to MegaMan X where done by a different company and sames goes for RE which is drastically similar to DMC as well as after MMX5 some other team worked on MMX games after that and Keiji wasn't involved.

So please stop treating DMC as its Capcom greatest f*ck ups. This sh*t is practically normal among Capcom IPs.

I mean even some RE games can be considered psuedo-reboots in their own rights (Leon was an average cop in RE2 and all of a sudden is a wise cracking, cool special agent of the president or some sh*t and Chris is average BSAA agent one game, then a roided out super agent who can punch boulders, and BSAA agent who picked up drinking problems who somehow has a posse of circle jerkers who drools on his every command.....not literally though).

Dante behaving differently in each game its not it was like X where after MMX6 he became a pacifist after 6-8 games of killing Mavericks and decides to whine about violence and guess what Itsuno's team worked on MMX7 when they didn't before and for X8 the game was handed to a dev team and for X Command Mission handed to a different team (since it was a RPG and not an action based platformer).

THIS IS CAPCOM.

When you played their games as long as I've had you'll see this sh*t isn't new.

 

[EvilX-81]

It could be risky, but I wouldn't be against a reversal in producing DmC2; having Capcom do the bulk of the work with Tameem/NT giving guiding points...

But then again, storywise this could be a disaster. Having someone else take over your vision and do it justice is tough task to pull off.

 

[Jak]

Capcom has never said the story got too completed so they'll reboot the series (in fact the MegaMan and RE timeline and story were FAR MORE COMPLEX AND CONFUSING than DMC and you don't see them reboot those series............yet).

They rebooted DMC for money...nothing else nothing more and when DmC failed to get what they initially wanted and hope for to sell as much as God of War and ends up being the worst selling in the series....what now Capcom.

Where was it stated that DMC4 was originally planned to take place between DMC1 and DMC3 in fact Itsuno said that Nero was ultimately planned with DMC4 from the start and moved production to the PS3 since Nero's gameplay mechanics were too much for the PS2 hardware to work on apparently.

DMC4 was supposed to be something different but Nero was still going to be in it as a main character.

In fact where are you even getting these ridiculous sources. I get mine from the DMC4 official artbook that describes each detail about the development of DMC4.

I mean DMC is not Capcom first and only game/series where its constantly going through different dev teams and writers. I mean the MegaMan Zero series as a sequel to MegaMan X where done by a different company and sames goes for RE which is drastically similar to DMC as well as after MMX5 some other team worked on MMX games after that and Keiji wasn't involved.

So please stop treating DMC as its Capcom greatest f*ck ups. This sh*t is practically normal among Capcom IPs.

I mean even some RE games can be considered psuedo-reboots in their own rights (Leon was an average cop in RE2 and all of a sudden is a wise cracking, cool special agent of the president or some sh*t and Chris is average BSAA agent one game, then a roided out super agent who can punch boulders, and BSAA agent who picked up drinking problems who somehow has a posse of circle jerkers who drools on his every command.....not literally though).

Dante behaving differently in each game its not it was like X where after MMX6 he became a pacifist after 6-8 games of killing Mavericks and decides to whine about violence and guess what Itsuno's team worked on MMX7 when they didn't before and for X8 the game was handed to a dev team and for X Command Mission handed to a different team (since it was a RPG and not an action based platformer).

THIS IS CAPCOM.

When you played their games as long as I've had you'll see this sh*t isn't new.

please. i trying to stay calm. don't bring up other capcom failures to me. i will go on a rampage

 

[EvilX-81]

I mean even some RE games can be considered psuedo-reboots in their own rights (Leon was an average cop in RE2 and all of a sudden is a wise cracking, cool special agent of the president or some sh*t and Chris is average BSAA agent one game, then a roided out super agent who can punch boulders, and BSAA agent who picked up drinking problems who somehow has a posse of circle jerkers who drools on his every command.....not literally though).

I hated and liked that. I mean, how these handful of people keep living through these horrendous odds every DAMN time is ridiculous if they don't have something going for them. But then at the same time, it's them being human, even good at their job though not outright badasses, is what made them interesting to me. Now they're near over-the-top action stars in a Micheal Bay made game.

 

[Stylish Nero]

please. i trying to stay calm. don't bring up other capcom failures to me. i will go on a rampage

Calm down this stuff is normal with Capcom....it practically happens a lot but people love Capcom not for their consistency or writing (although I admit Ace Attorney, MegaMan X, ZX, Zero, BN, and SF, and Breath of Fire games had some amazing stories) but the fact that they're games are fun and amazing that is how they became popular and well liked.

Plus its not only Capcom who f*cks up their stories once a while...a lot of companies do.

I've been playing their games since I was a kid and I got into video games because of them and I knew their stories in their games were crap (with some golden eggs) or a bit inconsistent but I loved how they played and became a fan of their works but it seemed they don't care about being the Capcom they once were.....well until recently.

Plus there is nothing wrong about circulating an IP around different dev teams. I mean Power Stone 2 was far better than Power Stones and they were done by different teams. People seem to not realize when you make a game for a company it belongs to the company. DMC is CAPCOM's license not Kamiya's. Kamiya made it for Capcom...it would be nice to work on it but the game belongs to whole company and anyone can work on it. Its teamwork...its not my IP, its not my vision, my characters, its ours....a team.

Okamiden was a great spiritual successor to Okami but Kamiya and some Clover Studios dudes weren't no longer there to make it.

 

[Stylish Nero]

I hated and liked that. I mean, how these handful of people keep living through these horrendous odds every DAMN time is ridiculous if they don't have something going for them. But then at the same time, it's them being human, even good at their job though not outright badasses, is what made them interesting to me. Now they're near over-the-top action stars in a Micheal Bay made game.

Well it seemed that RE might be going back to how it was before with Revelations and that one statement the new director of RE said (something about rebooting it altogether).

 

[Chancey289]

...Such as.......

I bet you can't even list 3 plot holes between DMC3 and DMC1 at the least otherwise don't misuse the English language with unnecessary hyperbole's.

I can do simple math. Dante was 28 in DMC 1 where it was heavily implied that he lost both his brother and mother when he was 8 years old. If Dante was only 19 in DMC 3 and has been seeing his brother off and on in the past decade then that contradicts the already established canon. Dante had not seen Vergil since they were children. Hence the whole defeat of Nelo Angelo with the flashback sounds of children playing after he discovered the amulet confirming that was indeed Vergil. DMC is made without the single thought DMC 3. Because it's not thinking ahead of DMC. It's not Kamiya's idea. Was everyone just playing dumb to all those events then?

I blame the change of teams. Doesn't Hideki Kamiya himself not even acknowledge characters like Lady etc.? Sure DMC 3 was a good game but it doesn't do anything but make this canon unorganized, inconsistent, and just making no sense.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Hey plenty of people wished Capcom at least finished the old series first before rebooting it.

This is something that always got to me. What exactly is there to "finish" with DMC? Every game has been a self-contained adventure, and usually doesn't carry events from one to the next (just some characters). What is there to finish in a series that had no direction aside from Dante preventing some dude from opening a portal to Hell for demonic power?

And technically DMC2 was the end to the series; Dante kills Argosax and the Despair Embodied, and then just goes popping wheelies through Hell before getting bored and heading back to his office.

 

[Jak]

This is something that always got to me. What exactly is there to "finish" with DMC? Every game has been a self-contained adventure, and usually doesn't carry events from one to the next (just some characters). What is there to finish in a series that had no direction aside from Dante preventing some dude from opening a portal to Hell for demonic power?

And technically DMC2 was the end to the series; Dante kills Argosax and the Despair Embodied, and then just goes popping wheelies through Hell before getting bored and heading back to his office.

i they were referring to an open ending. like in DMC1 or DMC2. DMC4 just leaves us with that "what the fak...!?!" type of feeling. if DMC5 were made, there could have been some sort of closure that was neglected. thats all.

 

[Chancey289]

This is something that always got to me. What exactly is there to "finish" with DMC? Every game has been a self-contained adventure, and usually doesn't carry events from one to the next (just some characters). What is there to finish in a series that had no direction aside from Dante preventing some dude from opening a portal to Hell for demonic power?

And technically DMC2 was the end to the series; Dante kills Argosax and the Despair Embodied, and then just goes popping wheelies through Hell before getting bored and heading back to his office.

Exactly. This series jumps around a time line with a very unorganized canon and never really carries anything from one game to the next. How much you want to make a bet a hypothetical DMC 5 would be just another random event in Dante's life?