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I think you might be reading a bit too much into the "Dante is Andrew from Chronicle." They aren't saying he's just like him, it's that their struggles are similar, and that when coming into their power, they didn't instantly decide "I'm gonna put on some tights and become a hero (like Batman)." They had these powers, and then they still had to deal with their sh!tty lives, which was sometimes expressly made worse because of those powers (like Dante being hassled by demons), However, they could use those powers to their advantage (whatever that might be).

The problem is we're only seeing these pictures, and hearing the basic gist of the panel's rundown. The nitty-gritty details are unavailable to us. Unless there's a whole transcript or video out there somewhere...hrm.
 
Andrew from Chronicle is Tetsuo.

Plus the whole Chronicle comparison had Schumacher's Bat-nipple and Robin next to it and you like totally missed the point of that comparison so your giant rant is pointless and invalid.

Dante has always been technically a superhero so Dante is one who doesn't need to wear some gaudy flamboyant outfit (Bat-nipples) and will just wear some normal clothes(Andrew).
 
I still think Boy Wonder would have been a much better comparison, but that movie is so out of the loop of the mainstream, no one would have any clue what comparison was being drawn >.<

Although the kid in Boy Wonder didn't have any super powers like Andrew did, so...maybe they made the right choice after all >.<
 
I'm pretty sure that was the comparison being made because they didn't use Nolan or Burton's Batman costume. They specifically used the outfit that had the negative backlash for looking silly and stupid with Bat-nipples.
 
TWOxACROSS said:
I didn't say you feared change, I said you didn't like what it was changed to, which we all know is obvious. The glaring problem is just being completely unwilling to accept that it happened, and trying to find fault in every little thing about the game and its PR.

How 'bout this; why don't you give the class a legitimate reason as to why you think it would be a great idea for Ninja Theory and Capcom to insult the very people they want to buy their game. If everything said was a slight against the old fans, I'd really like to understand why this would ever be a move that two entire companies would support.
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if you've been on the internet for any length of time, the concept of hatred as a public performance should not sound strange to you. My guess is tameem felt he could gain more new fans than he would lose by taking some cheap shots at the older fanbase. But that's about as far as I'm willing to indulge your faulty logic.

"I don't understand why they would do that, therefore they didn't do that"
 
Chancey289 said:
I'm pretty sure that was the comparison being made because they didn't use Nolan or Burton's Batman costume. They specifically used the outfit that had the negative backlash for looking silly and stupid with Bat-nipples.
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The bat nipples are horrible, but I still liked the director's reasoning behind them, with the whole Roman soldier angle.
 
Kam said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

if you've been on the internet for any length of time, the concept of hatred as a public performance should not sound strange to you. My guess is tameem felt he could gain more new fans than he would lose by taking some cheap shots at the older fanbase. But that's about as far as I'm willing to indulge your faulty logic.
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What faulty logic is there? It's perfectly logical to question why anyone trying to sell a product would think intentionally insulting their consumers is an ideal business practice.

This is totally different from people just being upset over the fact that there was a reboot and people didn't like it.

I'm talking about that straight-up claims that they insulted fans with their comments. That's what I'm questioning - everyone says they intentionally insulted people, that they had no qualms in ****ing people off. Why would this ever be a great idea? Especially why would two companies allow it to continue for three years?

Because there's a lot that points to all those slights being words taken out of context and twisted negatively. As in, were people really being insulted by NT and Capcom, or were people just being oversensitive and taking everything they said the wrong way so they could justify being angry?
 
TWOxACROSS said:
I think you might be reading a bit too much into the "Dante is Andrew from Chronicle." They aren't saying he's just like him, it's that their struggles are similar, and that when coming into their power, they didn't instantly decide "I'm gonna put on some tights and become a hero (like Batman)." They had these powers, and then they still had to deal with their sh!tty lives, which was sometimes expressly made worse because of those powers (like Dante being hassled by demons), However, they could use those powers to their advantage (whatever that might be).

The problem is we're only seeing these pictures, and hearing the basic gist of the panel's rundown. The nitty-gritty details are unavailable to us. Unless there's a whole transcript or video out there somewhere...hrm.
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Then if that is the case then why not put "Dante is Like" and "Dante is Not Like"?:P

Plus going back to what you said about the details being unavailable how you so sure about the intentions behind this presentation if the details are unavailable to us (meaning you as well)? What do you work for NT so you know the 100% clear intent behind the presentation. Otherwise if you don't your claims are just refutable and un-concrete as ours. What were NT expecting people to fully understand what they meant through the use of pictures?

Andrew never decided to become hero, he became a villain by robbing banks, killing innocents, and even abusing his powers to get things to go his way because he couldn't face reality.

The main reason why Dante wears average day clothes versus Batman and Dante is because he is poor and is homeless. He probably wears the same shirt, jacket, boots, and pants everyday because he can't find affordable clothes versus Bruce who is rich and Dante had a job.

No your just undermining other characters to put Dante or NT's message on a higher pedastool. Bruce just didn't woke up one day and doned a random costume so he can fight crime. He saw the crime and corruption in Gotham as well as the fact he lost his parents to crime so he used his wealth to make an impact even if it means being hated in the process and he dones a costume and a persona to conceal his identity to protect those associated with him and not give his enemies any advantage whereas Dante has no need to conceal his identity.

One must assess why certain characters do certain actions to better understand and appreciate their character or better yet critique them rather than "HE DOESN'T WEAR A GAUDY COSTUME BECAUSE HE IS MORE REALISTIC AND DOWN TO EARTH VERSUS HIM WHO DECIDED TO WEAR A GAUDY COSTUME SO HE CAN BE A HERO!!!"
 
Chancey289 said:
U want 2 make fun of mah animu Dunte.

U came to teh wrong nayborhood motherfuker.

fite me irl
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The "Dante is not" was over Mr. Bat Nipples, not Andrew.

We know the basic intentions from what little was delegated to us from...whatever news source it was that reported it, I can't remember now. We just don't know the in-depth nitty-gritty details, like why in the hell they specifically chose the pictures they did, but the intentions were talked about - like Dante being that everyman and and not being..."flamboyantly heroic."

I know Andrew ends up a villain, but their origins are rather similar, because they were consistently beat down, and generally had very sh!tty lives, but they used their power to change that. How they changed things was obviously different, but the fact is there that they didn't have hunky-dory home lives and certainly didn't have insurmountable wealth, nor did they don flashy, custom-made costumes to stand out when they performed their exploits (be they heroic or villainous). It's part of that whole down-to-earth element.

It may have been better suited to compare Batman and Robin to Nolan's Dark Knight, because classic Dante, like Batman and Robin, was colorful and stood out because that's always sorta been the hero imagery of yore, while DmC Dante and the Dark Knight dressed (mostly) practically. I mentioned this before actually, because the Dark Knight had a costume that was essentially all function - it certainly still looked out of the ordinary, but everything on him had a purpose; like the ears hid transceiver antennae, the blades on his forearms were ninja tools, even his cape was actually a glider that let him get around.

It's the idea that classic Dante really had no reason to wear an entirely red costume other than because he's the flashy hero. Not just that "HE WEAR GAUDY COSTUME AND HE DON'T." It's the practicality that adds to the everyman aim.

Also - Dante isn't homeless, he did have a trailer...with lots of neat stuff in it. Now it's at the bottom of the bay :(
 
You're seriously just nitpicking and going further than you have to. I'm telling you, the goddamn comparison between Batnips and Andrew was just to show a superhero in silly gaudy costumes to a superhero who's just the average guy.

If they were really trying to compare Andrew to Batman in a Devil May Cry sense of new vs. old then why the f#ck was Bat Nipples the one they choose? They could have used any other picture of Batman. Any other costume. But they choose the one that looks very silly like, news flash, Dante's sense of style!

Yes, old Dante could look really freaking stupid ok. Especially in DMC 4 with his vegas rodeo clown get up. DmC Dante I really see nothing technically wrong with. It's just.... normal. A punk fashion sense but also something you could see the every day person actually wearing and bringing Dante more down to Earth was also the f#cking intention.

The point---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------you.
 
TWOxACROSS said:
What faulty logic is there? It's perfectly logical to question why anyone trying to sell a product would think intentionally insulting their consumers is an ideal business practice.

This is totally different from people just being upset over the fact that there was a reboot and people didn't like it.

I'm talking about that straight-up claims that they insulted fans with their comments. That's what I'm questioning - everyone says they intentionally insulted people, that they had no qualms in ******* people off. Why would this ever be a great idea? Especially why would two companies allow it to continue for three years?

Because there's a lot that points to all those slights being words taken out of context and twisted negatively. As in, were people really being insulted by NT and Capcom, or were people just being oversensitive and taking everything they said the wrong way so they could justify being angry?
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the faulty logic is your premise has become "since I can't understand it, it's not true". You not understanding the premise proves nothing beyond your lack of imagination.

On another note: whether Tameem's insults were intentional or not is of little consequence. Tameem either deliberately insulted millions of fans, or he carelessly insulted them on accident. Take your pick, it really doesn't matter. At the end of the day, millions of fans were upset by it and this game's sales suffered as a result.
 
So, what was John "Robin" Blake's plainclothes "costume" all about? An all dark Batman is doable, but a Red Robin or Nightwing costume is just "a little too gay"?
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Get rid of the shirttails and we'd be set.

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Kam said:
Tameem was only one part of the problem; people like you are the rest.
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Ok, you really don't want to start playing the blame game with us... especially since people like you start most of these flame wars anyway.
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Also - Dante isn't homeless, he did have a trailer...with lots of neat stuff in it. Now it's at the bottom of the bay :(
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The whole, "Dante is homeless" thing is just another "flaw" fanboys can pick at. But that just proves my "elitist" claims, anyway.

The fanboys must really hate poor people.

They'll deny that up and down, but deep down I know the reality of these things. I've seen it in other people my entire life.
 
Unknown said:
So, what was John "Robin" Blake's plainclothes "costume" all about? An all dark Batman is doable, but a Red Robin or Nightwing costume is just "a little too gay"?
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Get rid of the shirttails and we'd be set.
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there's not much that can be done when your outfit includes skintight form fitted leggings :(
 
Kam said:
there's not much that can be done when your outfit includes skintight form fitted leggings :(
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I know. It was the same for Batman, however.

And I know I came off as confrontational, it's just that when you said that we were the problem, it struck a nerve.
 
Unknown said:
So, what was John "Robin" Blake's plainclothes "costume" all about? An all dark Batman is doable, but a Red Robin or Nightwing costume is just "a little too gay"?
red-robin-20090608055038460-000.jpg

Get rid of the shirttails and we'd be set.
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When I saw that last scene with "Robin" John Blake my reaction was literally "Are you f#cking kidding me."

Red Robin is Tim Drake though and not technically Robin so.

I don't want to see Nolan's Batman anymore and I don't want him involved with comic book movies anymore either. It's already bad enough that hack David Goyer is still attached to the BS movie.
 
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I know. It was the same for Batman, however.

And I know I came off as confrontational, it's just that when you said that we were the problem, it struck a nerve.
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sorry, I realized it sounded kind of assholeish so I removed it, but I was a bit slow about it. I get a little too heated sometimes and tend to say some unnecessary things :(
 
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