Were sales really that bad?

[IncarnatedDemon]

3:21 - 3:26 "Extremely high production value"
Doesn't that mean DmC had a good budget?

 

[OppressedWriter]

3:21 - 3:26 "Extremely high production value"
Doesn't that mean DmC had a good budget?

Nope, you're reading it too literally. It's just pr talk all game companies talk about high production values. It's just another way of saying this game is going to look really nice.

 

[Kam]

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see, you don't really get to make a 3 page long post on a specific topic, and then whine at me to please stop talking about the thing you just made a bloated post about because you're tired of talking about it.

Ninja Theory's design document might as well have had "old dante is a gay cowboy" written across the top (check that copyright in the lower right), and their art certainly supported that attitude. Then there's famous tameem quotes like "old dante just isn't cool" and the ever famous "if dante walked into a bar, he would get laughed out for what he was wearing" which seem pretty clear in meaning. Dante was a big reason a lot of people grew so attached to the series, so it was a pretty low blow to start throwing this stuff around. We were ****ed off for a reason; we don't just pick an arbitrary number in a series and decide to hate its director just for the hell of it

 

[Alittleacorn]

Considering that they wanted to sell ******* four million copies, they had their hopes up WAY too much.
Seriously.
For a reboot that had terrible PR, a bad adverting campaign and so many other things...this was lucky to even sell a million copies. This should have been expected, and this is just the first step. NT went ahead and did their own thing, it was more of an experiment if anything. Based on what feedback they've gotten back, I can easily see DmC 2 in the next 5 to six years, with a better improved everything.

Agreed, and I hate to go off subject what what anime is the gif in your sig from? o.o it looks really cool.

 

[BLACKSWIPE]

Agreed, and I hate to go off subject what what anime is the gif in your sig from? o.o it looks really cool.

Attack On titan. And be warned this is not your average anime. This is probably the best animated thing that I have possibly ever seen in my life, it is amazing. The guy who created it is breaking so many stupid cliched tropes, and there is ZERO FEMALE fan-service in here. God, I love this show! WATCH IT!

 

[Alittleacorn]

Attack On titan. And be warned this is not your average anime. This is probably the best animated thing that I have possibly ever seen in my life, it is amazing. The guy who created it is breaking so many stupid cliched tropes, and there is ZERO FEMALE fan-service in here. God, I love this show! WATCH IT!

Breaking cliched tropes? Zero female fan-service?

Oh my-there's is a god!

and I will! Thank you!

 

[BLACKSWIPE]

Breaking cliched tropes? Zero female fan-service?

Oh my-there's is a god!

and I will! Thank you!

The animation is glorious, the main character is awesome, females can be badass and not have to have huge boobs and stupid fanservice...Best Anime possibly ever.

 

[Alittleacorn]

The animation is glorious, the main character is awesome, females can be badass and not have to have huge boobs and stupid fanservice...Best Anime possibly ever.

I watched some of the scenes =D it look really cool. And you're right, the women kick butt and aren't degraded to sex objects. This is the best thing ever!

And I love that potato scene XD thanks so much for telling meeee!

 

[Sieghart]

The guy who created it is breaking so many stupid cliched tropes, and there is ZERO FEMALE fan-service in here.

....It had a lot of cliches xD. The characters were just executed very well.
Attack on Titan's fanservice in a nutshell:

Dat abs xD

 

[Alittleacorn]

....It had a lot of cliches xD. The characters were just executed very well.
Attack on Titan's fanservice in a nutshell:

Dat abs xD

I want Lady and any other female to feature in a DmC sequel to have abs like that, calling it. [and is that fanart or offical artwork? o.o]

 

[Kam]

Attack On titan. And be warned this is not your average anime. This is probably the best animated thing that I have possibly ever seen in my life, it is amazing. The guy who created it is breaking so many stupid cliched tropes, and there is ZERO FEMALE fan-service in here. God, I love this show! WATCH IT!

I've actually just started watching that, the first big fight was pretty brutal but I'm loving it so far. While we're on the topic, fate/zero is another great one (the last episode is a bit weak though; it's a prequel and needs to set up the ending for its retard cousin, fate/stay night) and then there's gurren lagann which was a pleasant surprise. I thought it was going to be an over the top fanservice filled shenanigans anime (cough yoko cough) but then spoilery things happened and holy crap it's good

 

[Zey]

I've actually just started watching that, the first big fight was pretty brutal but I'm loving it so far. While we're on the topic, fate/zero is another great one (the last episode is a bit weak though; it's a prequel and needs to set up the ending for its retard cousin, fate/stay night) and then there's gurren lagann which was a pleasant surprise. I thought it was going to be an over the top fanservice filled shenanigans anime (cough yoko cough) but then spoilery things happened and holy crap it's good

The problem is that if you watched only the F/sn anime the F/Z ending won't feel as it should. F/sn isn't retarded though, at least not the visual novel.

Since we're at it, I would recommend Kara no Kyoukai too, it has pretty much the same staff of the F/Z anime (composer, director, studio, etc) and the story is placed in the same universe (Nasuverse). And about Gurren Laggan, Imaishi Hiroyuki (director) is doing a new series to be aired this fall (Kill la Kill), very promising.

The animation is glorious, the main character is awesome, females can be badass and not have to have huge boobs and stupid fanservice...Best Anime possibly ever.

Actually, the animation isn't that good. It has a lot of still images, repeated frames and sometimes the CGI looks cheap, it's quite inconsistent between chapters too. Fun fact: The characters have bigger boobs in the anime.

....It had a lot of cliches xD. The characters were just executed very well.

This guy got it right.

 

[Sieghart]

I want Lady and any other female to feature in a DmC sequel to have abs like that, calling it. [and is that fanart or offical artwork? o.o]

It's official. Isayama the author is a big MMA fan and Mikasa was featured with abs many times in some promos.

 

[Kam]

The problem is that if you watched only the F/sn anime the F/Z ending won't feel as it should. F/sn isn't retarded though, at least not the visual novel.

yeah there's a lot of small things you'd miss out on if you hadn't seen fate/stay night, like the deal with lancer's spear for one. The anime version was just so awful though, they made it into some harem anime fanservice abomination

 

[TWOxACROSS]

see, you don't really get to make a 3 page long post on a specific topic, and then whine at me to please stop talking about the thing you just made a bloated post about because you're tired of talking about it.

Ninja Theory's design document might as well have had "old dante is a gay cowboy" written across the top (check that copyright in the lower right), and their art certainly supported that attitude. Then there's famous tameem quotes like "old dante just isn't cool" and the ever famous "if dante walked into a bar, he would get laughed out for what he was wearing" which seem pretty clear in meaning. Dante was a big reason a lot of people grew so attached to the series, so it was a pretty low blow to start throwing this stuff around. We were ****ed off for a reason; we don't just pick an arbitrary number in a series and decide to hate its director just for the hell of it

Except you're still not understanding the entire point of that panel, Like seriously, it's like you refuse to understand the words I'm typing. If you would actually listen to what I'm trying to explain, you could quit beatin' that dead horse. Or...you could stop bringing it up because you're going to get the same f#cking response from me telling you how you've got the whole damn thing wrong :/

That whole thing was about Dante being more down-to-earth when Westernizing him by Capcom's direction.

Let's take a look at this picture you linked. The Batman and Robin to Andrew from Chronicle was about DmC Dante coming into his powers on his own, and being troubled by that strength, struggling with his place in the world. DmC Dante is designed as more of a kid-on-the-street, instead of where flamboyant/gaudy clothing. DmC Dante's stylings isn't that flamboyant visual kei band, but punk rock. Regarding that all, DMC4 Dante as shown, doesn't really fit with the more gritty theme (like Fight Club) DmC has, and DMC4 Dante, for all of Capcom having always designed him, looked nothing like a true, salt-of-the-earth Western character, like a damn cowboy, which is one of the most western things ever. Why'd they choose Brokeback? Who the hell knows, it was one of the more recent and popular movies about Cowboys...? Or maybe it's how DMC4 Dante didn't fit really well in a more seriously toned setting...? It sure as hell wasn't because they wanted to make a joke about a character being gay...it makes no goddamn sense to even put something like that in there.

Either way, that's what the f#cking panel was about.

Classic Dante's occidental design was always extremely stylized in a Japanese way, so one of the first steps to actually Westernizing Dante was to look at how the West does heroism, youth culture, music, and..."grit." It also sort of ironic considering Resident Evil characters always looked pretty damn Western :/ I guess DMC's stylish elements always trumped anything more down-to-earth.

"Dante isn't cool anymore" was one small bit of a larger conversation where Tameem was talking about how DMC jumbled together a lot of styles and elements that were much more popular back in the early 2000s. We were in the height of a huge grim-dark and heavy rock era, where sh!t like Queen of the Damned, Blade, Godsmack, and Disturbed were popular. Those things? Not so popular now. Not so "cool," anymore.

"Dante would get laughed out of a bar" was true, because when the whole point of DmC was to be more thematically dark and gritty, and since Dante was supposed to be like the everyman on the street, they needed a design that would actually make him look like any guy you'd see on the street, and could walk into a bar and not turn heads. It's the entire point of why Dante's design in DmC is so much more subdued compared to his classic counterpart.

I understand being upset over the change of a character. However, the whole game was a change, and the character was just one thing that had to follow suit with the direction they were going with for DmC. The problem is people who were upset were taking sh!t out of context, and twisting words around, listening to things with a mentality that everything they'd hear would have some sort of negative connotation.

Then, it's just always going to confound me how so many people can think that everything about DmC is about insulting fans. How? How for three years is it a great idea to consistently insult the people you want to also buy your product? In this time where everyone back-peddles and issues apologies when they say something deemed socially wrong, how do two entire companies let these supposed insults go for three years? I find it incredibly hard to believe that out of two entire companies, especially Capcom, who is consistently worried about its bottom-line, no one would stifle these inflammatory comments.

Gee! Maybe those comments weren't really inflammatory at all! Maybe neither company went on record to rectify the wrongs done to its fans because the only ones doing wrong were the fans. Why, it's almost as if there really were no intended insults, and everyone was getting their panties in a wad because they wanted to make a game they didn't like fail...

 

[Kam]

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"Shopping your favorite character into the background of a gay cowboy movie? Nonono, that wasn't insulting, see, we were comparing him to *western* movies, not gay ones! Brokeback mountain being the comparison we used was just a total accident. Besides nobody likes flamboyantly visual and over the top characters these days; that's why your favorite character badly needs to be rebooted as a gritty, down to earth everyman from the streets, because what you like just isn't cool anymore; enjoying what you enjoy would be like enjoying Queen of the Damned, Blade, Godsmack, and Disturbed. What I just said isn't an insult either, because I believe it to be completely true -- People only say insulting things when they don't actually believe them, so believing it makes it okay, and therefore not an insult. Seriously I don't understand why you think any of this is insulting, you've got the whole damn thing wrong :/"

 

[TWOxACROSS]

So...because Capcom wanted to try a completely different angle with the character in a completely different kind of setting, that's an insult to you guys...?

Man, you are all pretty touchy, then :/

But yeah, just keep taking sh!t way out of context, it's working out swimmingly for you guys :ermm:

 

[Kam]

So...because Capcom wanted to try a completely different angle with the character in a completely different kind of setting, that's an insult to you guys...?

Man, you are all pretty touchy, then :/

But yeah, just keep taking sh!t way out of context, it's working out swimmingly for you guys :ermm:

"You guys aren't legitimately upset, change just angers you because you've never experienced change before, especially not from DMC1 to DMC3. Quit being so touchy and immature. I don't understand how you think any of this is insulting, way to keep taking things so out of context you guys :ermm:"

No john, you are the demons.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

I didn't say you feared change, I said you didn't like what it was changed to, which we all know is obvious. The glaring problem is just being completely unwilling to accept that it happened, and trying to find fault in every little thing about the game and its PR.

How 'bout this; why don't you give the class a legitimate reason as to why you think it would be a great idea for Ninja Theory and Capcom to insult the very people they want to buy their game. If everything said was a slight against the old fans, I'd really like to understand why this would ever be a move that two entire companies would support.

 

[Stylish Nero]

As for the whole GDC debacle.

Its unknown if it was malicious intent or not.

I know for sure it was pure idiocy on the basis there was no point behind it. The game was out for a while when they put that slide show up and what did they have to gain or prove by setting up a photoshop slideshow (showcasing artwork was fine)?

If it was mainly directed to or about their Dante what was the point of getting old Dante involved.

Plus some of the examples they cited were absolutely terrible.

First off, DmC Dante is barely like Andrew from Chronicle. Andrew got his powers by a freak accident while Dante was born with his powers. Throughout the course of DmC, Dante never had troubles handling his powers his main conflict was coming to terms what he was where as Andrew's development came from how his new found powers corrupted him causing him to take revenge of society for extremely petty things abusing his powers even if sometimes it was for good reasons and going borderline insane where as Dante fought for justice and freedom (he is more comparable to Clark Kent than Andrew). Andrew dealt with average teen problems that made him relateable to average teens where Dante deals with issues more comparable to unique individuals of society (such as being labeled as crazy for seeing the truth/demons or abuse as a child). The only thing the 2 have in common are that they both lived a crappy childhood and past such as being abused but even then its drastically different as how its played into the story for Andrew the abuse and his crap upbringings actually played a role in the motivations behind his actions and the development of his character where as for Dante it was only played in the beginning as to why he is such a douche to strangers but is ultimately disregarded for a cliche plot of him being part of a nearly extinct race (or him and his brother being the only ones) that can save mankind and he must realize his destiny and unlock his full potential. Clark Kent/Superman would make more sense of a comparison than Andrew. Plus new Dante isn't as angsty (he barely comes off as one) as Andrew. Plus Dante didn't come to terms with his powers on his own, he had the help and guidance of Vergil, Phineas (Assiel I guess), and the gifts his mother and father left behind to help guide him (sh*t more like tell him to do this if you want to get stronger) on his pre-determined path/destiny of slaying Mundus in the name of the Son of Sparda and as a Nephilim (the gifted race that are the only ones who can slay the demon king)....very akin to Clark's journey of becoming Superman.

Well I had more that I can go into about the "Dante Is Not" pictures but not much in the mood. However, it depends for if those Dante is Not are directed towards old Dante to signify old Dante represents those things while the Dante Is pics are directed to describe new Dante then yeah I might touch base on the Dante Is Not side of the issue.