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Vergil's true motivations( from a official book called Trinity of Fates)

Demi-fiend

Metempsychosis
Supporter 2014
As for him interpreting Sparda's legacy as "power", again, it's not selfishness, just a different way to understand his father's legacy.

This "official" book got his "motives" all wrong, that's why. That's most likely why it was never released in the U.S. Too many fans would have disagreed.

Even waaaaaay before DmC, people have contested to the fact that Vergil is evil, so it's not just me.

He did it for himself.

That "power-to-protect" reason was just a way to make himself look morally "in-the-right" when he was speaking with Dante.

Remember, Vergil is a very vain person.

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His self-image comes first and foremost before anything else (that's one of the main reasons why he wants power, he wants to make himself look better).

I'm sure he tries to convince himself that he's doing it for "protection", but deep down, he knows he's only doing it for himself.

Guy raises a tower, kills thousands in the process, and shows zero remorse.

Yeah, that's very altruistic.

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Look at his facial expression. Does this look like a man who's sorry to you?

No, he just looks annoyed that the pesky human populace is in the way of his precious power.

Say what you will about DmC Vergil...

At least he was honest enough to say what he really wanted and why... instead of trying to cover up his motives with bullshit "honor reasoning".


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Wow.... fratricide. Stay classy, Vergil.



Edit: Look, I don't care about DMC. But I won't allow people to defend acts of mass murder for personal gain and act like it's actually the right thing to do.

That is just wrong. On so many levels.

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Pride is not honor, people. Not by a long shot.

And Vergil has too much pride for his own good.
 

Sieghart

"Plough the lilies"
I always knew that it's about Vergil's family and all that **** why he did all of this. That is why he is a villain. A villain is supposed to be a unredeemable character compared to an antagonist which people always seems to be confused about.
 

Demi-fiend

Metempsychosis
Supporter 2014
I always knew that it's about Vergil's family and all that **** why he did all of this. That is why he is a villain. A villain is supposed to be a unredeemable character compared to an antagonist which people always seems to be confused about.
Oh my God. This. Thank you.

I was just thinking about that. And about Vlad Tepes. He had to use a lot of twisted tactics due to the fact that he was outnumbered on multiple sides. Yes, he was insane beyond all comprehension, but he also had to use psychological warfare to intimidate his enemies and protect his people.

So yes, even his villainy is redeemable compared to Vergil's.

And... he was a prince who fought on the front lines. You would never find anything like that today. Not one high-ranking officer (or official) in recent times would ever fight on the front lines.

Or, at least, not from what I've seen. I could be wrong about that.

I know it sounds off-topic, but the fact that it ties into "justfication", and "villainy", makes it part of this topic.

That, and I thought it was a hell of a coincidence that I was thinking about the historical Dracula and you showed up right afterwards.
 

D-Sparda

Nothing is true, everything is permitted
That "power-to-protect" reason was just a way to make himself look morally "in-the-right" when he was speaking with Dante.
That quote sounded neutral to me.

I once again set my gaze on that cutscene and based my judgement of his words on its context. From what I perceived, Vergil is basically saying to Dante that if he was more powerful than him in this encounter, he would have never suceeded in acquiring his half of the amulet. Therefore, he showed Dante that his reluctance to fully embrace his demonic power will do him no good in the long run, especially if he does not want to be trapped in other unwelcome situations like this one. The more power one may gain, the less vunerable one may be.

Nice hairstyle.



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Wow.... fratricide. Stay classy, Vergil.
Dante is still alive.
 

Sieghart

"Plough the lilies"
Oh my God. This. Thank you.

I was just thinking about that. And about Vlad Tepes. He had to use a lot of twisted tactics due to the fact that he was outnumbered on multiple sides. Yes, he was insane beyond all comprehension, but he also had to use psychological warfare to intimidate his enemies and protect his people.

So yes, even his villainy is redeemable compared to Vergil's.

And... he was a prince who fought on the front lines. You would never find anything like that today. Not one high-ranking officer (or official) in recent times would ever fight on the front lines.

Or, at least, not from what I've seen. I could be wrong about that.

I know it sounds off-topic, but the fact that it ties into "justfication", and "villainy", makes it part of this topic.

That, and I thought it was a hell of a coincidence that I was thinking about the historical Dracula and you showed up right afterwards.

Vergil as a character may be unredeemable but i was honestly impressed by his characterization as a villain. The way that DMC 3 executed his own character was pretty mediocre or was just overshadowed by style.
 

Sieghart

"Plough the lilies"
Well, i'm one of those fanboys who liked vergil because of his style and how he wield his katana and more importantly, his gameplay lol
 

Demi-fiend

Metempsychosis
Supporter 2014
Well, i'm one of those fanboys who liked vergil because of his style and how he wield his katana and more importantly, his gameplay lol

I like his gameplay as well. But I also liked the way DmC Vergil would swing his sword in multiple directions. A combination of both movesets would be nice. I hated the fact that DmC Vergil had no Beowulf like DMC3 "Vergell" did.
 

berto

I Saw the Devil
Moderator
There is so much I disagree with I'l have to do it from top to bottom.

This "official" book got his "motives" all wrong, that's why. That's most likely why it was never released in the U.S. Too many fans would have disagreed.
Are you actually trying to say that you understand what the motives of a character are even more so than the people that created him? If anything they are the only ones who fully understand any of the characters there, they created their lives, minds and egos, they tell you why they do what they do, not the other way around.

Even waaaaaay before DmC, people have contested to the fact that Vergil is evil, so it's not just me.
No, he does very evil things and that makes him evil but don't brush it off as simply evil and nothing else. Because the story is cheesy doesn't mean it shallow, because the characters seem simple doesn't mean they are.

He did it for himself.
Everything most people do is for themselves. You don't think he wanted to protect his mother because the neighbors were so fond of her cocking, do you?


That "power-to-protect" reason was just a way to make himself look morally "in-the-right" when he was speaking with Dante.
I don't think so. People like Vergil don't care about been in the moral right, just right. The difference? He wouldn't be saying that because it's morally correct, just the plain truth in his eyes.


Remember, Vergil is a very vain person.

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You've got to be kidding me. Now he's vain? Where are you pulling this from?


His self-image comes first and foremost before anything else (that's one of the main reasons why he wants power, he wants to make himself look better).
He puts his hair back once and that tells you that all he cares about is how pretty he looks? you are over reaching. If anything you've just described Dante.

I'm sure he tries to convince himself that he's doing it for "protection", but deep down, he knows he's only doing it for himself.
Deep down? I think he clearly knows what he is after and why. Vergil is the least self delusional character in the whole game, if he says he does it for to gain power there is no lie in it, and if he says that power is to protect himself or his mother he has no reason to lie. For all his flaws Vergil has never been a lair, not to others or himself.

Guy raises a tower, kills thousands in the process, and shows zero remorse.
The people fled. The city wasn't eradicated, just those around the tower that were hanging around the bar and strip club.


Yeah, that's very altruistic.

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Look at his facial expression. Does this look like a man who's sorry to you?
He has the same look than when he was reminiscing of his mother. He smiles twice growls once. I douth you could ever tell what he was thinking on his facial expression alone.


No, he just looks annoyed that the pesky human populace is in the way of his precious power.
No, he looks focused and pensive.

Say what you will about DmC Vergil...
Shallow, uninteresting, boring by contrast of the original, practically wears a sign 'I will pull an I'm evil at the last minute' sign on his forehead, a fedora? Really? So posh it's dumb, lacks real dept, if he doesn't know to hold a katana he should put it down before he pokes someones eye out, worst final boss ever, BS gimmick final blow to beat 'em? What tha hell? Doesn't look like he'd last in a fight, reminds me of David fro Prometheus, and I just plain old don't find him anywhere near as interesting or as bad ass as the original.

At least he was honest enough to say what he really wanted and why... instead of trying to cover up his motives with bullshit "honor reasoning".
Honest? He forgot to mention his little enslaving humanity plan through out the game, and to tell the people he worked with that they were as expendable as ink cartridges, I hardly think his 'honesty' makes up for all his flaws.


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Wow.... fratricide. Stay classy, Vergil.

Yeah, 'cause the other Vergil didn't try to.


Edit: Look, I don't care about DMC. But I won't allow people to defend acts of mass murder for personal gain and act like it's actually the right thing to do.
Well, I'm pretty impartial towards DmC but I won't pretend that Vergil is better in DmC because they don't care for the original franchise.

As I said Vergil didn't kill anyone with the tower. The demons killed the people around the tower.

That is just wrong. On so many levels.

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Pride is not honor, people. Not by a long shot.

And Vergil has it in spades.
He's got pride and honor, it's not the modern believes of what honor should be, it's a traditional sense of honor, the kind that tells you to fight face to face.
 

Chancey289

Fake Geek Girl.
You seriously can't act like Vergil from DMC 3 was really all that. Come on. The entire cast of Devil May Cry are about as complex as coloring books. Vergil in DMC 3 couldn't get any more generic and cliche if he tried and that's saying something for the Devil May Cry franchise which turns cliches in to entire character arcs.

The fan's perception of these characters over shadow the reality of them. Capcom pretty much sucks at story and character development. Geez you can just look at the Resident Evil franchise for evidence of that with their traditional action heroes and Saturday morning cartoon villains. It's like they pull out stencils when designing characters. Capcom also has a big book with a worn out spine filled with generic and cliche dialogue.

Vergil is a very poor villain. There are SOOOOOOO MANY villains out there who are more interesting and compelling than him and put him to shame. I know we're all fans of the series but don't just make up stuff. It's like people writing a fanfiction here. The ones that disregard things just to make sure their favorite characters look cool.
 

Zey

I came here to laugh at you.
You seriously can't act like Vergil from DMC 3 was really all that. Come on. The entire cast of Devil May Cry are about as complex as coloring books. Vergil in DMC 3 couldn't get any more generic and cliche if he tried and that's saying something for the Devil May Cry franchise which turns cliches in to entire character arcs.

The fan's perception of these characters over shadow the reality of them. Capcom pretty much sucks at story and character development. Geez you can just look at the Resident Evil franchise for evidence of that with their traditional action heroes and Saturday morning cartoon villains. It's like they pull out stencils when designing characters. Capcom also has a big book with a worn out spine filled with generic and cliche dialogue.

Vergil is a very poor villain. There are SOOOOOOO MANY villains out there who are more interesting and compelling than him and put him to shame. I know we're all fans of the series but don't just make up stuff. It's like people writing a fanfiction here. The ones that disregard things just to make sure their favorite characters look cool.
This thread is clearly about Vergil motivations, no one is saying that Vergil is the best villain ever, people like him for his design, gameplay and "cool and calm" personality, not really for his antagonistic role.

You can say what you want, but canon is canon, if Capcom says this is the truth, then it is. Since it doesn't contradict the original canon, then it's perfectly valid. If someone here want to say that Vergil is selfish or vain, then they are the ones disregarding the official story just to prove their point.
 

Chancey289

Fake Geek Girl.
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Say what again ? i know RE 4,5&6 sucks Donkey balls in terms of writing but RE series has had some great Writing in RE2&3
I thought you said RE 4 sucked for a second there. And I know all about the Resident Evil series. I've pretty much beaten every RE game out there. And no RE doesn't have the best writing as it's pretty cheesy and silly. The bad voice acting an all. It's more funny than anything for the most part.
 

IncarnatedDemon

Well-known Member
Team Little Devils (who made DMC 1) weren't there for DMC 2. This team seems to have moved to Platinum Games, in Bayonetta opening cutscene you see "Team Little Angels" on a tombstone.

This affected the story of DMC and the characters. For example in Bayonetta there is a reference to Eva being a witch. And there are many DMC stuff too.

So it's no wonder DMC characters never got any good character development.
 

Chancey289

Fake Geek Girl.
This thread is clearly about Vergil motivations, no one is saying that Vergil is the best villain ever, people like him for his design, gameplay and "cool and calm" personality, not really for his antagonistic role.

You can say what you want, but canon is canon, if Capcom says this is the truth, then it is. Since it doesn't contradict the original canon, then it's perfectly valid. If someone here want to say that Vergil is selfish or vain, then they are the ones disregarding the official story just to prove their point.
This original post is just explaining what we already know. If you weren't able to figure this stuff out playing DMC 3 then I don't know what to tell you. I don't even know why a discussion has to be held about it.
 

Chancey289

Fake Geek Girl.
This affected the story of DMC and the characters. For example in Bayonetta there is a reference to Eva being a witch. And there are many DMC stuff too. .

Bayonetta has nothing to do with Devil May Cry. That was just a little personal Easter Egg thrown in by Kamiya. It does absolutely nothing to the Devil May Cry storyline.
 

Demi-fiend

Metempsychosis
Supporter 2014
It's funny how people are so willing to accept this "version" of Vergil as the "One True Canon", yet turn around and say that DmC "doesn't deserve its namesake" no matter how much Capcom insists.

You seriously can't act like Vergil from DMC 3 was really all that.
They can, they have, and will continue to do so until their dying breath. Because apparently that's all they really exist for.

The fan's perception of these characters over shadow the reality of them.
I couldn't have said it better myself.

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It's like people writing a fanfiction here. The ones that disregard things just to make sure their favorite characters look cool.
Welcome to the minds of stubborn, fact-twisting, self-entitled, tunnel-vision, logic-defying, truth-denying fanboys.

I think I'm going to put that on my sig for a while. :lol:
 

IncarnatedDemon

Well-known Member
Bayonetta has nothing to do with Devil May Cry. That was just a little personal Easter Egg thrown in by Kamiya. It does absolutely nothing to the Devil May Cry storyline.
My point with bringing up Bayonetta is that Hideki Kamiya and other people who prolly was part of Team Little Devils (the team that made DMC 1), wanted to further develop DMC and its characters.
And i'd say Bayonetta has more to do with DMC than DmC does:


1. The development team

It’s no secret that Bayonetta’s developer, Platinum Games, is largely made up of refugees from Capcom’s sadly defunct Clover Studios. What’s slightly less well-known is that a lot of those same people also worked on the first Devil May Cry, something that’s alluded to in the name of Team Little Angels, the dev team behind Bayonetta.
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Fans with long memories will recognize this as a direct callback to DMC, which was created by an internal team at Capcom then known as Team Little Devils.
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11. Let’s rock, baby!

This next quote comes courtesy of Bayonetta herself, although if you’re not aware of the context for it, a line like “Let’s rock, baby!” probably seems way too generic to be considered a “reference.” But there’s a history here…
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… and that history is that “Let’s rock, baby!” was actually the first line ever spoken by Devil May Cry’s Dante, just before the game’s title screen popped up.
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12. Flock off, feather face!

This line, meanwhile – spoken when Bayonetta faces off against the giant boss creature Fortitudo in Chapter IV – is way too weird to be generic, or a coincidence.
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In fact, it wouldn’t surprise us if Bayonetta and Devil May Cry were the only two instances in history when it was actually spoken by human beings.
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17. Luka’s girlfriends

Near the beginning of Chapter V, Bayonetta’s confronted by comic-relief journalist Luka, who practically dares her to kill him. He quickly follows up by giving her reasons not to, though, which include the potentially broken hearts of four women: Claire, Trish, Silvia and Ammy. These are, of course, more than just random names.
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This one’s another bout of Capcom references: Claire is Claire Redfield from the Resident Evil series, Trish is from Devil May Cry, and Silvia is Viewtiful Joe’s big-headed girlfriend. Ammy, meanwhile, is a nickname for Amaterasu, the white-wolf heroine of Clover’s Okami.
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Above: Ha ha, Luka’s girlfriend is a dog

21. The lava spider

One of the most – if not the most – iconic enemies in Devil May Cry was Phantom, better known as the Giant Lava Spider. While Dante put him down more than once, a monster this cool just can’t be retired forever, and so he makes his return as one of Bayonetta’s summoned demons.
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It’s good to see him back in action, and it’s even better to have him on our side for a change – especially considering what a bastard he could be to kill in DMC.
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Above: You’re damn right it is
You might rightly argue that one lava-filled spider looks like any others, but our case here is helped by the fact that they more or less have the same name, as proven by this journal entry:
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28. Ebony and Ivory

The DMC references just won’t stop coming, not even once you’ve finished the game. In fact, if you finish it on Normal, you’ll be awarded the Handguns, a pair of black-and-silver .45s that are dead ringers for Dante’s hand-cannons of choice, Ebony and Ivory.
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29. Time Out

Another end-of-game unlockable, the Bracelet of Time is awarded if you’re able to finish the game on Normal in under three hours. It’s also a callback to the Bangle of Time, an artifact that froze time for Dante in the first Devil May Cry.
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Description: Eva, a truly extraordinary witch, entered into contract with a legendary dark knight, and then faced the amassed armies of Inferno. These bracelets were made by her hand, and those wearing them are said to become true masters of Witch Time at their very will.

30. Angel May Cry

At once a blatant shout-out to Platinum’s glorious past and an affirmation that Bayonetta is really just Devil May Cry with an opposite premise, we have this Achievement/Trophy, awarded once you’ve finished half of the hidden Alfheim arenas. Good hunting.
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Antonio Redgrave is a world famous journalist who was once in the employ of the Ithavoll Group. Antonio's Notebook can be found throughout the game, consisting of his many notes and excerpts on the history of the Lumen Sages, the Umbra Witches, Vigrid, the Ithavoll Group and the realms of Paradiso, Purgatorio, and Inferno, as well as a number of mystical and technological findings worthy of note. He is never actually seen, save for the flashback of his horrifying demise, seen only in diving gear. His diving gear is interestingly designed in that his mask takes the place of the conventional airtank. Upon discovering Bayonetta's body inside the coffin at the bottom of an unnamed lake (possibly near or within Vigrid's limits) he is killed by an Affinity sent by Balder immediately after Bayonetta's awakening. His child son, Luka, witnessed the entire affair unfold before his eyes. Because of the timing of the circumstances and the fact that untrained humans like Luka cannot inherently see the otherworldly beings, it appeared as if Bayonetta was the one who killed Antonio. It is later revealed in an addition to the flashback that Bayonetta was actually the one who tried to save Antonio.
Tony Redgrave

In Devil May Cry, "Tony Redgrave" is an alias used by Dante in his early days of demon slaying. The name can also be seen on Dante's notorious handguns, Ebony and Ivory: "For Tony Redgrave. By .45 Art Warks". When asked about the connection over twitter, Kamiya answered that Antonio Redgrave was a journalist that Dante respected, so he used it as his fake name during his days as a mercenary in Bobby's Cellar.
 
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