To All You Gamers Blaming The Fans For Poor DmC: Devil May Cry Sales

[Chancey289]

You seem to have many problems with those who don't like what you do.

To start off, usually when you and two other people defend this game you either hide details or make stuff up. And you've done it in the past. And the reason we supposedly shove the sale numbers in your face is so you'd face the truth and realize that, That game is nothing but mediocrity at it's best.
We don't claim other games to be perfect or anywhere near perfect. We or at least, I claim it to be nowhere near perfect and a disgrace to the Devil May Cry name. I'm not saying it's a horrible game, I'm saying it's a horrible Devil May Cry game.

Why is DMC 4 not considered the terrible Devil May Cry game? I think 4 was the disgrace to the name. It was literally half a game with many obnoxious design choices that were tedious and also flat out bs just to artificially lengthen the game. I already wasn't a fan of the style system and when it incorporated the switching in a clumsy manner it just made me dislike it all the more. You can't defend DMC 4. It was one of the worst games that came out that year and if Capcom really cared about the Devil May Cry series, then they wouldn't have released such a pathetic half assed piece of crap especially coming off something as great as DMC 3 which showed Capcom could possibly learn from their mistakes after the awful 2. Yea, you just don't take a giant lazy leap back after 3.

It's the worst game in the series and Capcom was totally out of ideas. DmC is better than 2 and 4 hands down regardless of what you think.

 

[berto]

O-okay. sorry. :<

No harm no foul, have a like!

 

[Terrutas]

Why is DMC 4 not considered the terrible Devil May Cry game? I think 4 was the disgrace to the name. It was literally half a game with many obnoxious design choices that were tedious and also flat out bs just to artificially lengthen the game. I already wasn't a fan of the style system and when it incorporated the switching in a clumsy manner it just made me dislike it all the more. You can't defend DMC 4. It was one of the worst games that came out that year and if Capcom really cared about the Devil May Cry series, then they wouldn't have released such a pathetic half assed piece of crap especially coming off something as great as DMC 3 which showed Capcom could possibly learn from their mistakes after the awful 2. Yea, you just don't take a giant lazy leap back after 3.

It's the worst game in the series and Capcom was totally out of ideas. DmC is better than 2 and 4 hands down regardless of what you think.

Because Devil May Cry 4 had some actually redeeming qualities.

Come on, stop being a fool and look at the actual gameplay rather than the story. And if you think the style system is forced and you like DMC3, you're a freaking hypocrite. Now listen to berto and stop this nonsense. We've already had this discussion four times.

Here's a pretty cool fact. game. gameplay.

DmC is better than 2 and 4 hands down regardless of what you think.

And stop this bullshit. you know damn well saying that is being an arrogant prick. Unless you're trying to be like Donte, I suggest you go to wikipedia and read up on the differences between Opinions and Facts.

 

[berto]

Why is DMC 4 not considered the terrible Devil May Cry game? I think 4 was the disgrace to the name. It was literally half a game with many obnoxious design choices that were tedious and also flat out bs just to artificially lengthen the game. I already wasn't a fan of the style system and when it incorporated the switching in a clumsy manner it just made me dislike it all the more. You can't defend DMC 4. It was one of the worst games that came out that year and if Capcom really cared about the Devil May Cry series, then they wouldn't have released such a pathetic half assed piece of crap especially coming off something as great as DMC 3 which showed Capcom could possibly learn from their mistakes after the awful 2. Yea, you just don't take a giant lazy leap back after 3.

It's the worst game in the series and Capcom was totally out of ideas. DmC is better than 2 and 4 hands down regardless of what you think.

I think it was because the game still appealed to the hardcore DMC3 players, the few who can perform minute and a half air combos and it still plays well, though not a game that pushes squad forward, it's responsive, fast and takes time and skill to get good at.

 

[Dusk Stalker]

Why is DMC 4 not considered the terrible Devil May Cry game? I think 4 was the disgrace to the name. .

We get it, you don't like DMC 4 that's your opinion to not like it. But you don't need to broadcast it every time the old series is brought up or mentioned a tiny bit.

It was literally half a game with many obnoxious design choices that were tedious and also flat out bs just to artificially lengthen the game. I already wasn't a fan of the style system and when it incorporated the switching in a clumsy manner it just made me dislike it all the more. You can't defend DMC 4. It was one of the worst games that came out that year and if Capcom really cared about the Devil May Cry series, then they wouldn't have released such a pathetic half assed piece of crap especially coming off something as great as DMC 3 which showed Capcom could possibly learn from their mistakes after the awful 2. Yea, you just don't take a giant lazy leap back after 3.

It's the worst game in the series and Capcom was totally out of ideas. DmC is better than 2 and 4 hands down regardless of what you think.

Again Its your opinion that pretty much sums it up.
My opinion is that DmC is between DMC 4 and 2, I don't think its a disgrace but I don't feel the Devil May Cry experience that people keep praising that it has.

 

[SugarMoon]

Why is DMC 4 not considered the terrible Devil May Cry game? I think 4 was the disgrace to the name. It was literally half a game with many obnoxious design choices that were tedious and also flat out bs just to artificially lengthen the game. It's the worst game in the series and Capcom was totally out of ideas. DmC is better than 2 and 4 hands down regardless of what you think.

I see you're one of those hardcore fans I was talking about. Holy McJesus....

 

[Jerry Wirerammer]

Why is DMC 4 not considered the terrible Devil May Cry game? I think 4 was the disgrace to the name. It was literally half a game with many obnoxious design choices that were tedious and also flat out bs just to artificially lengthen the game. I already wasn't a fan of the style system and when it incorporated the switching in a clumsy manner it just made me dislike it all the more. You can't defend DMC 4. It was one of the worst games that came out that year and if Capcom really cared about the Devil May Cry series, then they wouldn't have released such a pathetic half assed piece of crap especially coming off something as great as DMC 3 which showed Capcom could possibly learn from their mistakes after the awful 2. Yea, you just don't take a giant lazy leap back after 3.

It's the worst game in the series and Capcom was totally out of ideas. DmC is better than 2 and 4 hands down regardless of what you think.

The combat is what makes it great. Forget everything else, the insane potential of the Dante skillset elevates it beyond the rest of the genre (imo of course )

Just as an aside, but am I the only one that
A: likes all 5 DMC games
B: still likes Capcom
?

 

[Chancey289]

Because Devil May Cry 4 had some actually redeeming qualities.

Come on, stop being a fool and look at the actual gameplay rather than the story. And if you think the style system is forced and you like DMC3, you're a freaking hypocrite. Now listen to berto and stop this nonsense. We've already had this discussion four times.

Here's a great formula I came up with. game. gameplay.

I like DMC 3 because the style system was tolerable there. But that also doesn't change the fact the system is rather forced more than anything. My favorite of all the Devil May Crys is the very first one because of that. And I'm not talking about the story because the story in 4 was also no better than any other Devil May Cry. I'm talking about the overall package. Repeating the same levels half way through is a total cop out and is a sign of laziness and nothing more.

The jumping puzzles with fixed camera angles that spawn enemies every time you fall. The stupid board game mechanic that pops up multiple times just to artificially lengthen the game and is ultimately pointless. DMC 4 is a product of pure laziness and a cash grab to milk the DMC name. They were at a creative dead end. The combat was solid but everything else about this game makes the combat hardly enough to recommend it when there are better games out there. Sure gameplay is one of the most important things about the game but when you have a medium that has evolved to the point where video games have now set a new standard for themselves then you can't defend something like DMC 4 which doesn't even bother to live up to that. I don't know why you think DMC 4 deserves some special freaking pass to be exempt from that ridicule it so rightfully deserves.

 

[Terrutas]

Just as an aside, but am I the only one that
A: likes all 5 DMC games
B: still likes Capcom

A: I don't HATE DmC. I just don't think it's worthy of a Devil May Cry title.
B: I don't hate Capcom, I hate Ninja Theory.

I like DMC 3 because the style system was tolerable there. But that also doesn't change the fact the system is rather forced more than anything. My favorite of all the Devil May Crys is the very first one because of that. And I'm not talking about the story because the story in 4 was also no better than any other Devil May Cry. I'm talking about the overall package. Repeating the same levels half way through is a total cop out and is a sign of laziness and nothing more.

The jumping puzzles with fixed camera angles that spawn enemies every time you fall. The stupid board game mechanic that pops up multiple times just to artificially lengthen the game and is ultimately pointless. DMC 4 is a product of pure laziness and a cash grab to milk the DMC name. They were at a creative dead end. The combat was solid but everything else about this game makes the combat hardly enough to recommend it when there are better games out there. Sure gameplay is one of the most important things about the game but when you have a medium that has evolved to the point where video games have now set a new standard for themselves then you can't defend something like DMC 4 which doesn't even bother to live up to that. I don't know why you think DMC 4 deserves some special freaking pass to be exempt from that ridicule it so rightfully deserves.

I can't help but laugh at this, If you honestly think story is more of a standard than gameplay, I have nothing to say to you.

If you play a game for the story more so than gameplay, then you've probably never heard of Movies.

 

[Tody]

Just as an aside, but am I the only one that
A: likes all 5 DMC games
B: still likes Capcom
?

You might just be, it's very hard to like Capcom these days given what they've been up to in the last two years But there are things I like from all the DMC games too.

I wasn't intending a Devil May Cry rage series, but rather talk about the article and its points, but I suppose discussion is discussion either way. It's been good to read the viewpoints here so far.

I think a big part of the problem as well is that you get passion, and then you get emotionally attached. Over the years I've learned to distance myself a lot and separate the two. It's alright to be passionate about the series, that's great, but you shouldn't be attached to the extent that you can't be objective or constructive. That's dangerous. And it goes for both those who love the new game and hate it.

 

[Dante Redgrave]

Just as an aside, but am I the only one that
A: likes all 5 DMC games
B: still likes Capcom
?

No, I'm with you there. I have things I like about all five games. Capcom on the other hand, after the crap they've been pulling, has seriouslly irked me.

 

[GF9000000Returns]

Alright, alright. Put down the gasoline and step away from the fire.

Too late now.

You seem to have many problems with those who don't like what you do.

To start off, usually when you and two other people defend this game you either hide details or make stuff up. And you've done it in the past. And the reason we supposedly shove the sale numbers in your face is so you'd face the truth and realize that, That game is nothing but mediocrity at it's best.

Just WTF do you mean by "hiding details"? I never hid ANY details, if anything, some of the defenders already discuss what they liked about the game and why it should deserve a sequel. And the F*CKING "mediocrity" crap is nothing but an OPINION! It's you guys that are acting like it's the truth when it's actually not!

 

[DragonMaster2010]

I hated that article that blamed Old DMC fans as if it was all their fault. It wasn't their fault comepletely. like a good 20 to 30% was their fault. The rest was from;

Capcom's bad PR
-Tameen speaking his opinion on Dante (which everyone got to whining about for immature reasons)
-the series itself not being very big
-people being more in to FPS
-God of War coming out.
-MGR on its way (Plus some DMC fans running to that game thinking it's a DMC game or to make sure it's more then DmC)
-and the fanbase is also to blame, but not to a huge degree, because they didn't even buy it.

 

[Chancey289]

A: I don't HATE DmC. I just don't think it's worthy of a Devil May Cry title.
B: I don't hate Capcom, I hate Ninja Theory.

I can't help but laugh at this, If you honestly think story is more of a standard than gameplay, I have nothing to say to you.

If you play a game for the story more so than gameplay, then you've probably never heard of Movies.

When it comes to Devil May Cry, I hardly give a f*ck about story. To be honest, I don't even care much for Dante. Any version of him. He's just the dude I play as and I've never developed any sort of passionate connection to him which is why I don't give a **** how Dante looks or acts. You're still thinking I hate DMC 4 because of it's story? I hate DMC 4 because of how freaking lazy and half assed the game is you moron. I think DMC 3's story is just as bad and stupid as 4 but I still like 3.

When it comes to different game I do like an interesting story. I really dig Rockstar for having games like Red Dead Redemption and GTA for not only having fun games but cool interesting stories and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I also love the Metal Gear Solid series for it's bat sh!t insane story telling prowess and games like Shadow Of The Colossus for being just these epic tales.

I never expected much from Devil May Cry which is why I never cared about any character or story. Which is also why I don't think DmC's plot is any worse. It's because I don't care. DMC 4 is just a pathetic halfassed game and that's why I hate it. It's NOTHING to do with story or anything.

 

[Terrutas]

When it comes to Devil May Cry, I hardly give a f*ck about story. To be honest, I don't even care much for Dante. Any version of him. He's just the dude I play as and I've never developed any sort of passionate connection to him which is why I don't give a **** how Dante looks or acts. You're still thinking I hate DMC 4 because of it's story? I hate DMC 4 because of how freaking lazy and half assed the game is you moron. I think DMC 3's story is just as bad and stupid as 4 but I still like 3.

When it comes to different game I do like an interesting story. I really dig Rockstar for having games like Red Dead Redemption and GTA for not only having fun games but cool interesting stories and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I also love the Metal Gear Solid series for it's bat sh!t insane story telling prowess and games like Shadow Of The Colossus for being just these epic tales.

I never expected much from Devil May Cry which is why I never cared about any character or story. Which is also why I don't think DmC's plot is any worse. It's because I don't care. DMC 4 is just a pathetic halfassed game and that's why I hate it. It's NOTHING to do with story or anything.

If Devil May Cry 4 is half assed and it has one of the best comat system's in existence and you compare it to DmC. you're complementing quite kindly.

 

[SugarMoon]

You're still thinking I hate DMC 4 because of it's story? I hate DMC 4 because of how freaking lazy and half assed the game is you moron.
.

Wow man, you're really mean. Honestly, noone's gonna take you seriously with the insults no matter how hard you shove your opinion down someone's throat. It's ok to think differently but have some amount of dignity and respect ok?

 

[Terrutas]

I-It's okay.. I'm used to it. He's always like this around the house.. *Sob* :'(

 

[Chancey289]

If Devil May Cry 4 is half assed and I THINK it has one of the best combat systems in existence and you compare it to DmC. you're complementing quite kindly.

I have more fun with the other Devil May Cry games and something like Ninja Gaiden. Hack n Slash is not even my favorite genre and I just think the combat system for DMC 4 can be replicated by like Yahtzee said:
"Putting a wasp next to a spider, playing some Slipknot in the background and pouring red and green gummy bears on whoever wins."
There. That right there just saved you money and time as it also sounds more entertaining than DMC 4 will ever be.

 

[Rayl]

Oh. My. God. Is Chancey STILL bitching about DMC4? How long does this go on for? It's like trying to read motherfucking war and peace when he starts. YES. WE GET IT. DMC4 IS HALF ASSED. WE WERE AWARE CAPCOM DID NOT FINISH THIS GAME. WE KNEW THIS FIVE YEARS AGO.

I mean jesus christ, when we talk about DMC4 we talk about it's combat system being pretty fun and we're more then aware that style changing was put in pretty badly, these are things that are always brought up when WE bitch about the game, so quit trying to imply we're ignoring it's problems because we don't.

On another note: Fantastic article Tody, it was fascinating to read and while i do doubt people will take it to heart, i can hope that somebody will.

 

[Dante Redgrave]

More back and forth on DMC4...
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