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I dunno, Chaser. What harm could have come of simply letting him try the demo without planting a negative outlook on him have done?

Tbh, I don't find any of what you said true problems. Sure things are different, and some things may be worse, but at the same time there's things that are better. There's a ton of things to be canceled here.Maybe you can't cancel IRS with Helm Breaker, but jump and HB nets you the same results, more or less. Maybe everyone doesn't NEED to jump cancel but it's still stylish and still separates the.casuals from the more hardcore. There are some things in DMC3/4 that you can't cancel out of, but you can here. If someone says the old games suck and use such as an example of why, you'd laugh. I feel it's the same here.

You've said it before, and I'll agree. Your problem is that this isn't exactly like DMC3/4, and you're trying to play it the same way. It plays a bit differently, so you'll have to approach it differently without the mindset it sucks for being different.
 
I was trying to test some of the Eryx chargeable moves yesterday but initial tests were inconclusive (because I didn't have much time). Wondering about the Aquilas chargeables too. I'll let you know if I discover more.

Thanks Gregaman, you're a peach.
 
I dunno, Chaser. What harm could have come of simply letting him try the demo without planting a negative outlook on him have done?

Tbh, I don't find any of what you said true problems. Sure things are different, and some things may be worse, but at the same time there's things that are better. There's a ton of things to be canceled here.

Kinda like how DMC3 introduced Guard Cancelling. Which cancelled A LOT of moves. DMC4 made this even better since you could use Royal Guard at any time.

You've said it before, and I'll agree. Your problem is that this isn't exactly like DMC3/4, and you're trying to play it the same way. It plays a bit differently, so you'll have to approach it differently without the mindset it sucks for being different.

Oh I'm not trying to treat this as the same game as DMC3/DMC4. I'm merely trying to figure out what's improved since the developers keep saying that combat has improved/evolved. And so far, I haven't seen anything that's improved at all in terms of combat in the demo. Which is why I told his1nightmare my opinions about the demo and why he shouldn't play it.

If people don't like that I've said this to him, then I apologize in advance.
But it's not like he wanted to play the game in the first place. Even when he knew about the PC port coming, he didn't want to play it.
 
No offence, but I kinda find True Style Tournaments and competitive DMC play ridiculous. I can understand it for fighting games, not for Devil May Cry games.

I enjoy jump cancelling and all that stylish stuff, but competing against others ruins the fun of DMC.

I also hate over-edited combo videos. No. Just no. They remind me of Call of Duty no scope montages.

There are tournaments for Style in DMC...?

I'm sorry but...what? That...that's kind of stupid...I mean, if it turns out to be really easy to get style up to SSS in any of the DMC games, then what's really the point? To see if someone flops and gets one rank below? If you really think about it, that's not something I'd find a crowd of people getting hyped up or excited about.
 
There are tournaments for Style in DMC...?

I'm sorry but...what? That...that's kind of stupid...I mean, if it turns out to be really easy to get style up to SSS in any of the DMC games, then what's really the point? To see if someone flops and gets one rank below? If you really think about it, that's not something I'd find a crowd of people getting hyped up or excited about.

They don't judge on rank, they judge on how well the player executes their moves, as well as looking stylish.

It's all meant to have fun. The tournaments that is.
 
They don't judge on rank, they judge on how well the player executes their moves, as well as looking stylish.

It's all meant to have fun. The tournaments that is.

If it's for fun, then I would certainly hope so. I don't mean to sound rude, but stylish gameplay isn't something I'd be willing to hand out prizes for unless there's some kind of multi-player mode for that kind of thing. Sadly, there isn't...yet
 
There are tournaments for Style in DMC...?

I'm sorry but...what? That...that's kind of stupid...I mean, if it turns out to be really easy to get style up to SSS in any of the DMC games, then what's really the point? To see if someone flops and gets one rank below? If you really think about it, that's not something I'd find a crowd of people getting hyped up or excited about.

They can be pretty cool, and it's all for fun. I think it's less about the act of getting Style in-game, and more about the style of things the player does, to look cool and whatnot. The "Style meter" isn't really taken into account, I don't think.


 
If it's for fun, then I would certainly hope so. I don't mean to sound rude, but stylish gameplay isn't something I'd be willing to hand out prizes for unless there's some kind of multi-player mode for that kind of thing. Sadly, there isn't...yet

Multiplayer would be broken. Unless it works just as good as fighting against Dante. Then maybe it would work.
 
I didn't know about the just charge, thank you very much! I'll test it out tomorrow.

Thank Crush, he found the one for Drive, and then I was messing around with Raze, and was like "Hmmm...I wonder." And then I did it with Ricoshot, too :3
 
Ricoshot has got to be the weirdest timing ever. I haven't been able to do it properly at all.

It's probably messing me up since I'm trying to release the moment I feel the vibration for my controller, as well as hearing the sound to notify that E&I charged up.
I don't have rumble but I always go by timing (because I'm so used to it). There's 3 different stages you have to count to know that Ricoshot is complete. it also changes colour from white, to yellow to dark orange and effects around the gun.
 
I don't have rumble but I always go by timing (because I'm so used to it). There's 3 different stages you have to count to know that Ricoshot is complete. it also changes colour from white, to yellow to dark orange and effects around the gun.

Actually I just figured that the Just Charge only worked for the last stage. I thought it could work for the 1st & 2nd stage.
 
Actually I just figured that the Just Charge only worked for the last stage. I thought it could work for the 1st & 2nd stage.

Yeah, it's a bit different than other Just Charges - still nice though for the damage boost, because it rewards your timing, and waiting for that full charge.
 
@TWOxACROSS

so.... you charge your gun, swing a couple times,(release) and POOF! You stock your gun?
 
I would not say that this is kail's best work but was entertaining though he did not connect his attacks sometimes.I like the music he uses in his videos. He and his1 add good music to their videos which make them entertaining. But Brea's music choice jus sucks.I don't hate her , jus don't think her music choice suits DMC playstyle.

I think kail deserves credit for his videos. Jus because fans think he is great, It does not make him over-rated. Its ironic that people speak a lot about how fans over-react to DmC and still think game would be good but discredit kail jus cuz his fans are outrageous.
 
I would not say that this is kail's best work but was entertaining though he did not connect his attacks sometimes.I like the music he uses in his videos. He and his1 add good music to their videos which make them entertaining. But Brea's music choice jus sucks.I don't hate her , jus don't think her music choice suits DMC playstyle.

I think kail deserves credit for his videos. Jus because fans think he is great, It does not make him over-rated. Its ironic that people speak a lot about how fans over-react to DmC and still think game would be good but discredit kail jus cuz his fans are outrageous.

I don't think that had anything to do with people saying KAIL isn't good because of his fanbase, it's just that he's been surpassed by a few others, but his fans are adamant on how he continues to be the best. It sorta that...both KAIL fans, and people who slam DmC, are living in the past and don't want to see what else might be out there.
 
I don't think that had anything to do with people saying KAIL isn't good because of his fanbase, it's just that he's been surpassed by a few others, but his fans are adamant on how he continues to be the best.

This is wat i mean by discrediting. There will always be someone better than the other. No one can be on top forever.Pete sampras was on top for a while until roger federer beat his streak. Now rafael nadal is considered as a formidable opponent to federer. But that does not make sampras or federer any way less competitive.Or his fans were expected to stop accepting sampras or federer cuz nadal is formidable than them.Its like "Yeah, jackie chan was good but now we have jet li, oh wait, Tony jaa is much better". They are skilled in their own rights.And DMC is not a competitive game series to begin with. Best part of DMC games is the freedom they offer to play them in "any" way the player is comfortable with.
Competetive games like street fighter 4, Marvel vs capcom 3, Tekken games determine the winner or who gets the better of who.

It sorta that...both KAIL fans, and people who slam DmC, are living in the past and don't want to see what else might be out there.

*facepalms*

There is a reason why people follow franchises, actors, writers, directors, sportsman cuz they believe in their skills and feel attached to them. People want to find communities that they believe share same ideas or common interests like games of a particular genre or a series of games. Generalizing that all "old school" fans don't want to move-on is BS.

Also , capcom developer Eshiro justified the new fan out-rage was due to uncertainty or anxiety due to the new direction of DMC. I can't accept that classic fans don't want to move-on.They are worried that their perception of series (as being one of the best games) will be ruined because of this new direction and they have every right to.

If people always wanted to follow wats better or new or happening, We would not have new devil may cry games or resident evil games cuz capcom would be developing new IPs if that was the case. Even hollywood movies for that matter. Cuz fans want to follow them though there are other new movies with fresh context.
 
And DMC is not a competitive game series to begin with. Best part of DMC games is the freedom they offer to play them in "any" way the player is comfortable with.
Competetive games like street fighter 4, Marvel vs capcom 3, Tekken games determine the winner or who gets the better of who.

Tell that to all the people who bitched me once for saying the same thing :/

There is a reason why people follow franchises, actors, writers, directors, sportsman cuz they believe in their skills and feel attached to them. People want to find communities that they believe share same ideas or common interests like games of a particular genre or a series of games. Generalizing that all "old school" fans don't want to move-on is BS.

I'm just talking about what I heard, and apparently KAIL's fanbase is aggressive in constantly declaring him the best, without acknowledging people who might actually be better than him. Put simply, it's like being a Jackie Chan fan, and not accepting that Jet Li or Tony Jaa exist, and when they are mentioned, you consistently declare Jackie Chan to be the one-true-Kung Fu master (although we all know that's Bruce Lee :p). It's also weird when you can plainly see the difference in DmC skill between KAIL and someone like brea, that StyleSky. It's an unwillingness to move on and accept how things have grown and changed, because that's simply how things go. There's holding a hero up on a pedestal, and then there's always having a special place for them in your heart, and from what I've heard, some of the KAIL fans aggressively try to keep him up on that pedestal.

Also , capcom developer Eshiro justified the new fan out-rage was due to uncertainty or anxiety due to the new direction of DMC. I can't accept that classic fans don't want to move-on.They are worried that their perception of series (as being one of the best games) will be ruined because of this new direction and they have every right to.

Eshiro is correct, but when I say "don't want to move on" I explicitly mean the people who just refuse to admit DmC is happening, and are getting way too bent out of shape about it. The people that call him "Donte" or "Dino" is a childish way of showing a lack of acceptance, even in the most cursory way of "this isn't supposed to be the same DMC."

The problem is this whole "worried about the series perception" is utter bullshit. They're almost too invested in the series to let it grow or try something new. It's all born from that same hubris that makes people complain that DmC is too forgiving. It's supposed to be a game for entertainment that let's us enjoy some stylish combat, as its genre would suggest. This constant need to justify ourselves as "skilled" or "better" because we play one game or another is completely retarded, and there are many other pursuits worth facing. The classic DMC will always be known for its style and difficulty, and that will not change, regardless of what people think. Hell, if anything, the people perpetuating the idea that the DMC brand is ruined are the people who don't like DmC and constantly say how it ruined the brand. It's their perception and hyperbole that's keeping them worried, while everyone else has accepted how DmC is different, and doesn't affect the brand in such a bad way. Saying DmC is too easy is not declaring the entirety of DMC is.

Seriously, the only reason perceptions of DMC being "one of the best action game series" would change is if people didn't clarify claims made that would be detrimental to that perception. I've been fighting a losing battle defending DmC from all the misinformation trying to ruin the game's perception, but at least I'm trying, and in a way, I've been combating people's hyperbolic declarations that the DMC brand is "ruined."

Nothing that's popular gets there without fans and followers. We as a people are what make something "the greatest," but we can't just sit on our laurels once it reaches a certain amount of fame, it's at that point we have to help it grow and protect it from negative perception as best we can, and sometimes all we can do is prevent hyperbole and misinformation from becoming louder than its own merits that made it worthy of greatness.

Bleh. I'm done here.
 
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