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Ok, i am tired of everyone complaining about people like me who say that DmC Dante look was based on Tameem or his ideas. Now i am not saying DmC Dante is entirely based off Tameem's thoughts or how he is as person. But things point to that he is the reason why DmC Dante looks like way he does.

Point 1 Tameem is a leader
He has power to decide what direction they will take on the game. And he has been the one who have represented Ninja theory ever since DmC was announced to Ninja theory.

Point 2 When Tameem speaks
Is he speaking for his whole team or only for himself? In a setence he said "I think" not "We". He keeps saying "I think". Should we expect that Ninja theory team have discuessed things throughly? If they have - how come Tameem who represents the team keep using "i think".

Other times when he speaks he uses the word "We" instead of "I". And Tameem's vocabulary and speech is pretty good - surely he isn't making a mistake when he uses "I think". Because that's probably HIS thoughts.

Point 3 "What was cool back then isn't cool no more"
How did Tameem or if he's speaking for everyone in his team come to conclusion that the stuff that was used in DMC 1 isn't no longer cool. Blade inspiration, The music, etc

I fail to see how a heavy smoking and beat up street brawler any cool. You may say "CoolDemon but that's your subjective opinion". But then i will say - how is Tameems (if he speaks for himself) view of cool not subjective?

If your gonna try to find out what's cool nowdays you would have do to alot of research. Punk movement and smoking was things that were cool "back then". I swear finding a punk looking in country where i live or someone saying "I am cool because i smoke" is like finding a needle in a haystack.
So if i can't find neither easily - how is it something that should be considered cool?
Another thing Tameem said "The goal is to redefine DMC to be cool in context of when it was released".

Point 4 Tameem and his hair
I think Tameem deserves respect for caring about his hair and trying new hairstyles. But it's obvious that he is someone who thinks alot about his hair.

In this video:
Notice 1:18
2:06
He is touching his hair areas.

1:53 His hands is partially covered with his shirt. DmC Dante
And about DmC Dante's hair Tameem says that there is a reason for it. And that reason is highly assumed to be that Dante goes from black hair to white because of his demonic powers. How contradicting - i thought Dante was born with white hair and his father's human form included white hair and that is the reason.
Now in DmC it's because DmC Dante powers make his hair go white? Wow that's a awesome meaning/reason!

Point 5 The similarities
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They both smoke and look alike, and are related to UK somehow.
Are all of this just coincedence?

I wouldn't say so. Because as i pointed out Tameem uses "we" (Point 2) when he talks about something he and his team has discuessed, and "I" when he talks about things he himself have thought of.
And when asked by a reporter how he felt about the negative critism towards DmC here is the reply:
Tameen looked at me a moment and took a drag of his cigarette. Then without blinking, and without pausing to exhale the smoke from his mouth he said, "I don't care."

Why did Tameem reply "I don't care"? I would say it's because he felt hurt because Dante looking like him wasn't a coincedence.

The british flag is totally unecessary. If it's there to show that DmC was made by the british studio Ninja theory - why put it on the cloth of the character?
And if DmC world isn't in somehow a representation of real world, that it's a fictional world, wouldn't then it be contradicting to add the flag into the world? Because how would the DmC characters then speak about the "flag" on Dante's character if DmC world is fictional and not a representation of real world?
Would the DmC character say "Oh Dante what's that "thing"(flag) on your jacket?"
Dante would reply "Oh it's the flag of UK".
Other character replies "UK what's that?"
Dante "Oh just a country"
The flag is unecessary. Should we then expect a new flag on the DMC characters's clothes everytime a new game is made by a new studio?
And has Ninja theory put british flag on clothing or headgears of Monkey, Trip or Nariko? I am guessing no.

And smoking is not cool - so why is DmC Dante smoking if they intended to "update" and make DMC and it's character cool again in context with the release or production year?
Not once have i heard someone say "Smoking is cool". And smoking is clearly something they made DmC Dante do because they thought it's cool.
I don't smoke and never have. But i respect that people smoke because just like me people have a addiction - a weakness. But what i don't like or find cool at all is when someone smokes and thinks it's positive or if they blew smoke in direction of a non smoker. Smoking isn't cool:
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Point 6 The white hair issue
Even Capcom supported anime of DMC is contradicting DmC:
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And if DmC Dante was supposed to be a totally new character then it's not necessary to explain why DmC Dante has black hair. Because that's what Tameem said "There isa reason why bla bla".
Not trying to discuss that "They are gonna replace DMC DAnte!" - that was discuessed and proven to be not the case. But just it's weird if DmC Dante is a new character why Tameem wants to explain why he has black hair and not white lol.


Now and then:
DmC Dante has been changed more so that he doesn't look like Tameem. But i believe that first time we saw DmC Dante it was a Tameem version.

A LOT of what you said is either irrelevant or has just as much of a chance of being the exact OPPOSITE of what you said. For example, when it comes to his hair, Tameem was probably very excited about getting the chance to carry on the torch of this amazing series, so he made his hair look like the redesigned Dante, to show his excitement and how much he wants to endorse the game. Nothing wrong there at all. Lots of game companies do that and similar things. Guess what, if Dave Jaffe decided to go on stage with a bald head and a giant red tattoo, we wouldn't be saying, "what an asshole, he totally made Kratos look like himself. This game sucks". Seriously, back off a bit there, because it seems as if you're misreading that. As for the "We" vs "I" thing, for all you know, NT reached a decision TOGETHER and he was showing his opinions as to how that decision was mutually reached. Another thing, we all know that it was CAPCOM who said they wanted to go in this kind of direction. Perhaps this was Tameem saying why he thinks CAPCOM made that decision. Again, towards the "cool" thing, that could very well have all been decisions made by the company as a whole instead of Tameem. You're making it sound like the man is a ****ing dictator, grow up. Let's see, ah the British Flag. We've been over this a hundred times, the flag is only there as an homage to where the company is from. Guess what, Kojima does this in Metal Gear and Inafune does it in Dead Rising. Get real man, you're making it sound like they're only doing this to **** people off. They just want to pay their respects to where they're from. That's like saying that anytime an easter egg is in a game, it makes the game worthless because it doesn't "fit" or the company is being arrogant. Want to know why Trip, Nariko, and Monkey don't have a Union Jack? It's because it wouldn't fit in the game universes they're from! You seem to be an intelligent person, do you really need someone to spell that out for you? Finally, as for Tameem saying he doesn't care, let's look at it this way. The man has a game that he is the director for. He has a ****ton more work to do on the game. Do you think he will respond by drastically changing **** that people are complaining about when they literally have no idea what's going on in the game? He is a man who doesn't let backlash get him down. Does that make him arrogant? No! Does it make him a prick? Hell NO! It makes him like everyone else, pushing through the bad and showing that it doesn't affect you. He is just trying to make an enjoyable game here, lay off a bit
 
Bout' time someone posted something worth arguing about, I was getting bored!

Point 1 Tameem is a leader
He has power to decide what direction they will take on the game. And he has been the one who have represented Ninja theory ever since DmC was announced to Ninja theory.
He still has to answer to Capcom, even though he's in control of the game he still needs their permission to use the license.

Point 2 When Tameem speaks
Is he speaking for his whole team or only for himself? In a setence he said "I think" not "We". He keeps saying "I think". Should we expect that Ninja theory team have discuessed things throughly? If they have - how come Tameem who represents the team keep using "i think".

Other times when he speaks he uses the word "We" instead of "I". And Tameem's vocabulary and speech is pretty good - surely he isn't making a mistake when he uses "I think". Because that's probably HIS thoughts.
Irrelevant


Point 3 "What was cool back then isn't cool no more"
How did Tameem or if he's speaking for everyone in his team come to conclusion that the stuff that was used in DMC 1 isn't no longer cool. Blade inspiration, The music, etc
Blade heavily inspired the Matrix, and with a little bit of thinking you can see the similarities between the Matrix and DMC. 1.The trench coat 2.Slow motion 3. Trish=Trinity
To get to the point, no I don't find the matrix cool anymore. I'm not even going to bring up the "Dante walks into a bar" argument because I'm not talking about the Matrix not being cool in real life but the Matrix style not being cool in movies. You can even see that DMC was trying to move away from that style with 3&4 as it became more of a corny B-movie rather than an action game with jokes in it.

I fail to see how a heavy smoking and beat up street brawler any cool. You may say "CoolDemon but that's your subjective opinion". But then i will say - how is Tameems (if he speaks for himself) view of cool not subjective?
I'd say that it's relevant because it's more of the grim and gritty/ realistic style that most action films try to go for currently, just to name a few off hand: Any superhero film, Halloween, James Bond, Sherlock Holmes, Tomb Raider, etc.. When I saw the bruises, dirty features, cigarette and skinny demeanor it gave the hint that this was very grim and gritty.

If your gonna try to find out what's cool nowdays you would have do to alot of research. Punk movement and smoking was things that were cool "back then". I swear finding a punk looking in country where i live or someone saying "I am cool because i smoke" is like finding a needle in a haystack.
So if i can't find neither easily - how is it something that should be considered cool?
Another thing Tameem said "The goal is to redefine DMC to be cool in context of when it was released".
I think that it has more to do with the culture than anything. If you move something from east to west there are going to be design changes because there should be, if not, you're just producing an imitation without any of the heart of the original. DMC went for a Japanese rock look and you can see it by looking at their bands, some of them look like cosplayers. Since it moved to Europe it needed to mix with their culture, which you can see with the new design: 1.Sleeveless shirts 2.v-necks 3.skin tight clothing 4. union jack

Point 4 Tameem and his hair
Irrelevant

They both smoke and look alike, and are related to UK somehow.
Are all of this just coincedence?
Other than the hair (which he's changed about three times already) they really don't look that similar. In that picture you posted, I can see clear differences in their eyes and facial structures.

Why did Tameem reply "I don't care"? I would say it's because he felt hurt because Dante looking like him wasn't a coincedence.
Yes, because if I went from being an unknown artist to the guy that created an "emo, twilight, gay monstrosity" I would be totally fine since it would look nothing like me.


The british flag is totally unecessary. If it's there to show that DmC was made by the british studio Ninja theory - why put it on the cloth of the character?
Because it's punk.

Not once have i heard someone say "Smoking is cool".
If that's the case than why did Kamiya say "if you can't make a character cool, give them a smoke" it sounds like he's referring to smoking as a design crutch or something that you just add to make someone look cool like sunglasses or leather. That and hearing all of my school teachers say smoking is not cool about a thousand times gives me the indication that, yes, smoking is generally considered cool, at least around teenagers (which the new Dante is). To quote one of my favorite movies:

"People, what is going on out there? I look down this table, all I see are white flags. Our numbers are down all across the board. Teen smoking, our bread and butter, is falling like a **** from heaven! We don't sell Tic Tacs for Christ's sake. We sell cigarettes. And they're cool and available and *addictive*. The job is almost done for us! "


Because that's what Tameem said "There isa reason why bla bla".
Do you notice how every time he tries to explain the design change, you completely ignore him. Anyway, you kind of lost me once you posted the black lung and made the smoking issue a question of morality.
 
Cupcakes.

Plus I really think the whole Union Jack thing has been taken so far out of context that it's making people focus on something that probably has no bearing on anything ever in the game. Like, ever.

Also: Cupcakes.
 
Tameem was the one who called him a street brawler not me. And if we assume that Limbo City and world DmC Dante lives in is not a representation of real world like Bayonetta with European city, then why is the flag on DmC Dante's jacket? If there is no countries or representation of real world in DmC world like Enslaved or Heavenly sword - then what's the point of the flag then? Because Enslaved and Heavenly sword didn't have flag on their clothing like DmC has.

And if the flag that DmC Dante has on jacket may be because DmC world is a representation of our world - the real world then the flag isn't unecessary. But so far it seems that it's not the case that DmC takes place in real world.qoute]

About the city thing i meant that the classic DMC world was not meant to be our world.
i meant that the reboot takes place in our world, it doesnt have to take place in britian/u.k.

Limbo city might not be the real name for the city we are in, just could be a nickname.

the street brawler thing im gonna hve to look up since i thought he said it was more like raging bull than rocky.
 
My reasoning about your points of this thread:

Point 1 - He needs Capcom's approval for any decision making in the game. Capcom is overseeing the game's development.

Point 2 - Not relevant to the topic. Who cares if he speaks for himself or for the team.

Point 3 - Tameem's opinion doesn't matter if you yourself doesn't like his opinion on what's cool today, and vice versa.

Point 4 - Not relevant to the topic. Who cares about Tameem's haircut is similar to the new Dante's haircut.

Point 5 - What proof that shows that the new Dante is related to UK? If you are saying it is because of the Union Jack flag, then it is not concrete proof. Hell, I wore a shirt that has UK flag almost every Sunday, and that doesn't show that I am from UK. Even though Tameem looks similar to Dante, but that doesn't mean that Dante is from UK.

I don't really care about the smoking part anymore, since this Dante is from a parallel universe, and I can treat him as a different Dante from the original Dante that I am always being a fan of.

Point 6 - The white hair issue is not a problem anymore since DmC: Devil May Cry takes place in parallel universe.

The conclusion is, don't buy the game if you don't like how Ninja Theory handles Dante in DmC: Devil May Cry. It is a parallel universe, not the same universe where the original creators created at the first place.

I am not really bothered if Tameem indeed designed Dante to look like himself, as long as the game takes place in a different world. If he said that is Dante 3 years younger from DMC3 Dante, Ninja Theory and Capcom can expect hell from the DMC fans, including me as well.
 
Lol I also just realized that the hair/body and Union Jack picture you drew is ridiculous. It's like saying that spiderman is the same as superman just because both wear red and blue and live in New York. Really? hahahahahaha
 
CoolDemon, I'm sorry to say this... But you have gone way over the top this time. Why are you trying so hard to hate on everything DmC?

I'm not saying that hating DmC, Tameem, Ninja Theory or whatever isn't allowed, not at all. Everyone have their opinions about whatever. But it's like you are on a crusade here, trying to convince everyone that everything related to DmC is bad and that everyone has to hate it. And it has come to... this! Ridiculous threads about unimportant things that no one should care about. None of the points you have come up with matters.

I try really hard to respect you. I really do. I am tired of consistently arguing with you and I am trying to respect your opinions, even if they sometimes seem far-fetched to me... But respect is mutual, CoolDemon. There are people on here who like DmC so far, and you just have to accept that. Stop trying to push your opinion down other people's throats like this.

Please. Pretty please with sugar on top, and as Angel said, cupcakes!

There's nothing wrong with a healthy discussion, but at least make it about something that matters... And for the sake of this forum, don't keep beating a dead horse by making threads about topics that has been discussed over and over and over again.
 
Good points.
Many of the old users used to discuss about this similarity, alongside laughting about this Dante naming him "Dino", "Donte" and such, but most of those users aren't around anymore so most of the guys who will comment in this thread will probably flame you, which is kinda sad.
Anyway, thanks for the article, may the force to destroy Dino/Tameen be with you.
 
Good points.
Many of the old users used to discuss about this similarity, alongside laughting about this Dante naming him "Dino", "Donte" and such, but most of those users aren't around anymore so most of the guys who will comment in this thread will probably flame you, which is kinda sad.
Anyway, thanks for the article, may the force to destroy Dino/Tameen be with you.

Well, I see there are at least one other joining the crusade...
 
Im propably on opposite side. Making an crusade or anti new Dante sometimes are useless, beacuse it never comes to developers, or if they watch our or another DMC forum, they propably laugh from us fans, as they have money or other funds to still force that they think is right for now.
 
Well, I see there are at least one other joining the crusade...

I don't like DmC so far, it doesn't live up to its franchise's reputation as far as I'm concerned.
For me, it's just a cash-in who has absolutely nothing to do with the original games series (And don't jump on me saying it's a reboot, because even a reboot has to keep some stuff from the old games, and as far as this game goes, it's a spin-off max).
 
Im propably on opposite side. Making an crusade or anti new Dante sometimes are useless, beacuse it never comes to developers, or if they watch our or another DMC forum, they propably laugh from us fans, as they have money or other funds to still force that they think is right for now.

As long as us fans who don't like what they've done to the franchise won't buy DmC, it will decrease their income and that will effect them.
 
I don't like DmC so far, it doesn't live up to its franchise's reputation as far as I'm concerned.
For me, it's just a cash-in who has absolutely nothing to do with the original games series (And don't jump on me saying it's a reboot, because even a reboot has to keep some stuff from the old games, and as far as this game goes, it's a spin-off max).
lol only based on what you've seen so far...which is like two gameplay trailers and the announcement hahahaha
 
I don't like DmC so far, it doesn't live up to its franchise's reputation as far as I'm concerned.
For me, it's just a cash-in who has absolutely nothing to do with the original games series (And don't jump on me saying it's a reboot, because even a reboot has to keep some stuff from the old games, and as far as this game goes, it's a spin-off max).

And I have absolutely no problem with you disliking DmC. Not one bit.
But that last statement in your previous post...

Anyway, thanks for the article, may the force to destroy Dino/Tameen be with you.

Seriously?
 
lol only based on what you've seen so far...which is like two gameplay trailers and the announcement hahahaha

2 gameplay trailers, 1 story trailers, tons of articles and photos are enough for me to know that this game so far doesn't seem to have any connection to the core DMC titles and that NT are disrespecting their fans&costumers, you DO NOT disrespect your costumers.
 
2 gameplay trailers, 1 story trailers, tons of articles and photos are enough for me to know that this game so far doesn't seem to have any connection to the core DMC titles and that NT are disrespecting their fans&costumers, you DO NOT disrespect your costumers.
that first trailer isn't even a story trailer...there have been no story trailers...and all of the pictures are pictures FROM the gameplay trailers...there is nothing new to base judgment on
 
Raging fan rages like an angry bull. So let's just all take some time here to breath out and relax. Alright?
We all have our own opinions, some like the game, some do not like. Either way, it is happening. The game is being made and no matter how much anyone throws hate at anything, it won't change. And if you can't accept that, then that is your problem. Not Capcom's, not Ninja Theory's, not the members on this forum.

So please, don't start throwing rage fits around here. We can discuss DmC related topics here and share opinions, but there's no need to start arguing wether or not who is right. It is just opinions.

Just trying to keep it sane here...
 
Raging fan rages like an angry bull. So let's just all take some time here to breath out and relax. Alright?
We all have our own opinions, some like the game, some do not like. Either way, it is happening. The game is being made and no matter how much anyone throws hate at anything, it won't change. And if you can't accept that, then that is your problem. Not Capcom's, not Ninja Theory's, not the members on this forum.

So please, don't start throwing rage fits around here. We can discuss DmC related topics here and share opinions, but there's no need to start arguing wether or not who is right. It is just opinions.

Just trying to keep it sane here...

I'm not here to rage, I'm here just to give my opinion.
This arguement is heading to a direction I personally don't want it to head to, and I think you don't, too, so let's just agree to disagree.

Same goes to GamblingGambitCloud
 
I'm not here to rage, I'm here just to give my opinion.
This arguement is heading to a direction I personally don't want it to head to, and I think you don't, too, so let's just agree to disagree.

Same goes to GamblingGambitCloud

Oh, good, just wanted to make sure. And I agree to just disagree as well. ^^
 
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