CoolDemon
X will never be Y
Great britain = England, North Ireland, Scotland and Wales
UK = England, North Ireland, Scottland and Wales
Aren't UK and GB the same thing? And the british flag belongs to what country - you didn't name it?
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UK = England, North Ireland, Scottland and Wales
Aren't UK and GB the same thing? And the british flag belongs to what country - you didn't name it?
chocolateghost79
First of the Dead
well i think a little ninja character stitched onto dante's jacket would've been cool, it seems a union jack just fits this dante's character more than a ninja logo. and im sure ninja theory wanted to make it a subtle attatchment, but if they put the ninja theory logo on him, it would make it way too obvious.But you say that the british flag is to tell people "This Dante is our (NT) version of DMC Dante". Ninja theory's logo would say that better than a british flag. Or a Ninja character icon.
Searches google "British flag:"
Searhces Union jack :
I don't see the difference ?
LordOfDarkness
The Dark Avenger © †
United Kingdom is made up of the four countries as we mentioned.
I meant that the Union Jack incorporates other flags also. The English flag, the Scottish flag and the Irish flag.
The English flag looks like this.
I'm unaware if Ninja Theory are just a company based in England or if they are based all over the United Kingdom.
CoolDemon
X will never be Y
Back to the topic: If they added british flag or a logo of their studio it just shows that they are created DmC Dante based on what they thought is cool and not what is cool - and things that are cool is what they wanted to add into DmC. But they added their own views of what is cool.
And this supports that DmC Dante in E3 is a Tameem character lol.
For example if they wanted to add cool things into DmC wouldn't questionaires or interviewing youths be a way to find out what cool things are nowdays?
chocolateghost79
First of the Dead
well as mentioned by LoD dante doesn't look like tameem anymore, despite if he did at e3.
berto
I Saw the Devil
Depends on who you ask. If you ask the Scotts they'll tell you the rest are just wankers, if you ask the Irish... Actually, you'd get a similar responce from everyone...
CoolDemon
X will never be Y
I don't see brown hair. It still looks like black. And smoking part i am not sure about.
But like toCool74 said Capcom demanded DmC Dante to not look like Tameem and also not smoke which is probably why we haven't seen him smoke and that he looks less like Tameem.
chocolateghost79
First of the Dead
yeah it still looks black to me as well, but i guess they have given his hair more of a dark brown tint. and if that was capcom's doing good for capcom, i mean they are there to supervise nt's direction.
LordOfDarkness
The Dark Avenger © †
http://www.xbox360achievements.org/...1--First-DmC-Gameplay-Footage-Has-Demons.html
Read it at the bottom part, it says Dante hair has gone from being white to brown. You can see it's dark brown now.
CoolDemon
X will never be Y
No denying it looks very dark brownish. But seems more like black if you watch the trailer
Thanks for the link and Union Jack thing.
P.S Is Wales flag only one that's not included in Union jack currently?
And how is other countries, Scottland, Ireland etc not english/british?
LordOfDarkness
The Dark Avenger © †
No denying it looks very dark brownish. But seems more like black if you watch the trailer
Thanks for the link and Union Jack thing.
P.S Is Wales flag only one that's not included in Union jack currently?
And how is other countries, Scottland, Ireland etc not english/british?
Yes indeed it does. It looks lighter at times when the sun shines on it though. But still, not black
The United Kingdom is divided into four countries. England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales. They came to a unity in the end, so this is how the Union Jack was established.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070807044027AA4L4Vc
The Welsh wanted their flag included into the Union Jack, but that never happened. I can't really remember why, this was back in 2007.
ToCool74
"Fair" DmC Skeptic
The resemblance is pretty darn obvious dude IMO.
And alot of people on this topic and around the net actually seems to agree.
But to each his own I suppose.
But I agree with the part about people seeing what they want to see...
CoolDemon
X will never be Y
I know what my eyes see and it's that Tameem and Dante looked very alike when E3 trailer was shown.
But let's take what you have said as starting point "People want to see what they want to see". Now i want to see DMC Dante, white haired, same old Dante.
That's what i want to see and that's what you have said that people will see because that's what they want to see.
Why is my eyes instead showing a punk, black hair and beat up looking dude called Dante but not the Dante i know and love?
It's not "People want to see what they want to see". It's obvious people see the truth.
And these are ugly looking Dante:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5I72bYSeL...8/s1600/DMC-Devil-May-Cry-Dantes-New-Look.jpg
http://guestcontroller.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/key-image-dante-smoking.jpg
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/7513/1521727-vlcsnap_2010_09_15_10h15m26s9_super.png
But here DmC Dante looks great - and it's HERE that he stops smoking mysteriously and looking like Tameem:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QZtsFCN6F...A4c/rLowlg77SaE/s1600/dante_young_dmc_tgs.JPG
His hairstyle has been changed a bit too. No more sidecut.
Tony_Redgrave
TimeLord Detective
Well, look. I understand your points and they seem logical and entirely possible. But that's all they are really, as we cannot read Tameen's mind, and Tameen himself has not said anything about that.
To elaborate this a bit:
It's entirely logical that NT, in creating a new Devil May Cry, put their own ideas, their own minds, their own souls etc. into doing so. Therefore a Dante/DmC that comes from them would of course bit a part of them in some way or other.
The only thing that resembles Tameen and new Dante is the hair. Then every hater of DmC, took that and started throwing whatever rumours and dislikes they could. Dante is Tameen, so he sucks. Dante is Edward from Twilight, so he sucks. Ok, so just because those guys apparently /suck/ the fans try to point them towards the new Dante who they also do not like, so as to make their point.
That in its own way is kinda sad. I know that haters try to make a point and, since points like "Dante is like Edward" are kinda funny when someone DOES spot some sort of resemblance, they continue on, as if making a super valid point that no one can disagree on. The same for Tameen. You don't know (not you personaly, I speak in general) about the hair. Maybe it was FIRST that they made DmC Dante, that Tameen thought "hey he's cool" and got a haircut like that, when he first saw him in a sketch. This is entirely possible, but same with the Dante=Tameen theory, it is IMPOSSIBLE to discern, unless someone asks Tameen and he answers.
Also, we've heard (many times, but haters seem to ignore it, or to not want to believe it) that the first sketches of Dante were closer to what we already knew of Dante, but CAPCOM wanted something completely different, so yeah, they made Dante black-haired, they made him smoke, they made him half-angel as well as half-devil. CAPCOM agreed, end of story.
That's why for me, the Dante=Tameen/Edward/Whoever-else-the-haters-dislike is just a small voice, trying to make everyone hate the new Dante as well. Well it's not working, as opinions won't change based on stuff like that. But no one can stop haters from doing that either. Therefore we do not get anywhere. But well, yeah, do continueXD
To elaborate this a bit:
It's entirely logical that NT, in creating a new Devil May Cry, put their own ideas, their own minds, their own souls etc. into doing so. Therefore a Dante/DmC that comes from them would of course bit a part of them in some way or other.
The only thing that resembles Tameen and new Dante is the hair. Then every hater of DmC, took that and started throwing whatever rumours and dislikes they could. Dante is Tameen, so he sucks. Dante is Edward from Twilight, so he sucks. Ok, so just because those guys apparently /suck/ the fans try to point them towards the new Dante who they also do not like, so as to make their point.
That in its own way is kinda sad. I know that haters try to make a point and, since points like "Dante is like Edward" are kinda funny when someone DOES spot some sort of resemblance, they continue on, as if making a super valid point that no one can disagree on. The same for Tameen. You don't know (not you personaly, I speak in general) about the hair. Maybe it was FIRST that they made DmC Dante, that Tameen thought "hey he's cool" and got a haircut like that, when he first saw him in a sketch. This is entirely possible, but same with the Dante=Tameen theory, it is IMPOSSIBLE to discern, unless someone asks Tameen and he answers.
Also, we've heard (many times, but haters seem to ignore it, or to not want to believe it) that the first sketches of Dante were closer to what we already knew of Dante, but CAPCOM wanted something completely different, so yeah, they made Dante black-haired, they made him smoke, they made him half-angel as well as half-devil. CAPCOM agreed, end of story.
That's why for me, the Dante=Tameen/Edward/Whoever-else-the-haters-dislike is just a small voice, trying to make everyone hate the new Dante as well. Well it's not working, as opinions won't change based on stuff like that. But no one can stop haters from doing that either. Therefore we do not get anywhere. But well, yeah, do continueXD
Vezild
Taking Back Lordran One Boss At a Time
It could've been Tameem made his hair that way AFTER DmC Dante was created, couldn't it?
And Dante smoking...I don't know about you guys but the gritty guy smoking is always a badass to me. Sure, he's killing himself, but it looks pretty cool to me Besides, there could be a deep meaning behind it in the story. Besides, original Dante had a tendency to get roaring drunk and ate tons of pizza and sweets!
CoolDemon...obviously if he's going to speak for himself he'll say I and when he's speaking for everybody else he'll say we wouldn't he? He isn't part of some Hive Mind (even though it sorta seems like it with companies these days).
The Union Jack on his jacket could be a homage to where Ninja Theory is placed. BUT it could also be where Limbo City is taking place...which I think is cool. Not like it matters, really. The original series took place in America.
I'd say Tameem is always representing them because either A) He is the best speaker out of all of them B) He is the head of the development department C) Because he is in fact the representative speaker or D) all of the above.
And Dante having black hair...black is the opposite of white. And I don't think it really is of relevance. They could've chosen any color they wanted...I'm sure it wasn't some thematic choice by the story writers. Probably just a random "Let's make his hair black -derp-"
So all, in all, I think this is all just a big coincidence. Even if it wasn't, we shouldn't care! This Dante is their creation and if Tameem wants to put a little of himself in it for pride or whatever, let him! In the novel I'm writing, I put a little of myself in the main character. It makes me feel happy inside.
And Dante smoking...I don't know about you guys but the gritty guy smoking is always a badass to me. Sure, he's killing himself, but it looks pretty cool to me
Besides, there could be a deep meaning behind it in the story. Besides, original Dante had a tendency to get roaring drunk and ate tons of pizza and sweets!CoolDemon...obviously if he's going to speak for himself he'll say I and when he's speaking for everybody else he'll say we wouldn't he? He isn't part of some Hive Mind (even though it sorta seems like it with companies these days).
The Union Jack on his jacket could be a homage to where Ninja Theory is placed. BUT it could also be where Limbo City is taking place...which I think is cool. Not like it matters, really. The original series took place in America.
I'd say Tameem is always representing them because either A) He is the best speaker out of all of them B) He is the head of the development department C) Because he is in fact the representative speaker or D) all of the above.
And Dante having black hair...black is the opposite of white. And I don't think it really is of relevance. They could've chosen any color they wanted...I'm sure it wasn't some thematic choice by the story writers. Probably just a random "Let's make his hair black -derp-"
So all, in all, I think this is all just a big coincidence. Even if it wasn't, we shouldn't care! This Dante is their creation and if Tameem wants to put a little of himself in it for pride or whatever, let him! In the novel I'm writing, I put a little of myself in the main character. It makes me feel happy inside.
heatlancer
1# Trickster
yea, he also saw dante smoking and said "wow, that looks cool"
Vezild
Taking Back Lordran One Boss At a Time
Smoking is a choice made by a person. Sure, some of us may be against it (I am against smoking even though it looks kind of cool (use a toothpick to look cool?)), but it's a choice and criticizing Tameem, "Donte", or anybody else for smoking is not justifiable in this situation because, well to put it frankly, its morality is irrelevant. Sure, Tameem smokes. "Donte" smokes(or is it -ed?). So what?
Usually, a person's habits have nothing to do with story, and if it does, it's because the character has some sort of trauma and do these habits to cope with it. It's a common theme in stories...especially modern stories in this drugged-up world of medical phenomena and mental disorders (as in schizophrenia or PTSD). "Donte" has mental problems. He smokes to cope with it. I don't think Tameem has any dramatic mental disorders, does he?
It's a touchy subject matter, I know. I think it'd be great if DmC touched upon it. I love the gameplay of the series. Why can't I love the story?
So Tameem's smoking habits, to me, has nothing to do with "Donte"'s and, to me, it is pointless to point fingers at this as a way of showing similarity. If there is really a reason, it either has nothing to do with the story or is a deep theme in the tale of this new Dante.
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Usually, a person's habits have nothing to do with story, and if it does, it's because the character has some sort of trauma and do these habits to cope with it. It's a common theme in stories...especially modern stories in this drugged-up world of medical phenomena and mental disorders (as in schizophrenia or PTSD). "Donte" has mental problems. He smokes to cope with it. I don't think Tameem has any dramatic mental disorders, does he?
It's a touchy subject matter, I know. I think it'd be great if DmC touched upon it. I love the gameplay of the series. Why can't I love the story?
So Tameem's smoking habits, to me, has nothing to do with "Donte"'s and, to me, it is pointless to point fingers at this as a way of showing similarity. If there is really a reason, it either has nothing to do with the story or is a deep theme in the tale of this new Dante.
THIS PREACH ENDS NOW! Thank you. I am Reverend Vezild. Pleased to speak to you.
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