Tameem = Dante

[CoolDemon]

Ok, i am tired of everyone complaining about people like me who say that DmC Dante look was based on Tameem or his ideas. Now i am not saying DmC Dante is entirely based off Tameem's thoughts or how he is as person. But things point to that he is the reason why DmC Dante looks like way he does.

Point 1 Tameem is a leader
He has power to decide what direction they will take on the game. And he has been the one who have represented Ninja theory ever since DmC was announced to Ninja theory.

Point 2 When Tameem speaks
Is he speaking for his whole team or only for himself? In a setence he said "I think" not "We". He keeps saying "I think". Should we expect that Ninja theory team have discuessed things throughly? If they have - how come Tameem who represents the team keep using "i think".

Other times when he speaks he uses the word "We" instead of "I". And Tameem's vocabulary and speech is pretty good - surely he isn't making a mistake when he uses "I think". Because that's probably HIS thoughts.

Point 3 "What was cool back then isn't cool no more"
How did Tameem or if he's speaking for everyone in his team come to conclusion that the stuff that was used in DMC 1 isn't no longer cool. Blade inspiration, The music, etc

I fail to see how a heavy smoking and beat up street brawler any cool. You may say "CoolDemon but that's your subjective opinion". But then i will say - how is Tameems (if he speaks for himself) view of cool not subjective?

If your gonna try to find out what's cool nowdays you would have do to alot of research. Punk movement and smoking was things that were cool "back then". I swear finding a punk looking in country where i live or someone saying "I am cool because i smoke" is like finding a needle in a haystack.
So if i can't find neither easily - how is it something that should be considered cool?
Another thing Tameem said "The goal is to redefine DMC to be cool in context of when it was released".

Point 4 Tameem and his hair
I think Tameem deserves respect for caring about his hair and trying new hairstyles. But it's obvious that he is someone who thinks alot about his hair.

In this video:

Notice 1:18
2:06
He is touching his hair areas.

1:53 His hands is partially covered with his shirt. DmC Dante
And about DmC Dante's hair Tameem says that there is a reason for it. And that reason is highly assumed to be that Dante goes from black hair to white because of his demonic powers. How contradicting - i thought Dante was born with white hair and his father's human form included white hair and that is the reason.
Now in DmC it's because DmC Dante powers make his hair go white? Wow that's a awesome meaning/reason!

Point 5 The similarities

They both smoke and look alike, and are related to UK somehow.
Are all of this just coincedence?

I wouldn't say so. Because as i pointed out Tameem uses "we" (Point 2) when he talks about something he and his team has discuessed, and "I" when he talks about things he himself have thought of.
And when asked by a reporter how he felt about the negative critism towards DmC here is the reply:
Tameen looked at me a moment and took a drag of his cigarette. Then without blinking, and without pausing to exhale the smoke from his mouth he said, "I don't care."

Why did Tameem reply "I don't care"? I would say it's because he felt hurt because Dante looking like him wasn't a coincedence.

The british flag is totally unecessary. If it's there to show that DmC was made by the british studio Ninja theory - why put it on the cloth of the character?
And if DmC world isn't in somehow a representation of real world, that it's a fictional world, wouldn't then it be contradicting to add the flag into the world? Because how would the DmC characters then speak about the "flag" on Dante's character if DmC world is fictional and not a representation of real world?
Would the DmC character say "Oh Dante what's that "thing"(flag) on your jacket?"
Dante would reply "Oh it's the flag of UK".
Other character replies "UK what's that?"
Dante "Oh just a country"
The flag is unecessary. Should we then expect a new flag on the DMC characters's clothes everytime a new game is made by a new studio?
And has Ninja theory put british flag on clothing or headgears of Monkey, Trip or Nariko? I am guessing no.

And smoking is not cool - so why is DmC Dante smoking if they intended to "update" and make DMC and it's character cool again in context with the release or production year?
Not once have i heard someone say "Smoking is cool". And smoking is clearly something they made DmC Dante do because they thought it's cool.
I don't smoke and never have. But i respect that people smoke because just like me people have a addiction - a weakness. But what i don't like or find cool at all is when someone smokes and thinks it's positive or if they blew smoke in direction of a non smoker. Smoking isn't cool:

Point 6 The white hair issue
Even Capcom supported anime of DMC is contradicting DmC:

And if DmC Dante was supposed to be a totally new character then it's not necessary to explain why DmC Dante has black hair. Because that's what Tameem said "There isa reason why bla bla".
Not trying to discuss that "They are gonna replace DMC DAnte!" - that was discuessed and proven to be not the case. But just it's weird if DmC Dante is a new character why Tameem wants to explain why he has black hair and not white lol.


Now and then:
DmC Dante has been changed more so that he doesn't look like Tameem. But i believe that first time we saw DmC Dante it was a Tameem version.

 

[chocolateghost79]

so what exactly is the point of this thread?

 

[CoolDemon]

so what exactly is the point of this thread?

A place for people to discuss if it's coincedence or not that DmC Dante resembles Tameem.

 

[berto]

While I agree with a lot of what your saying it also needs to be noted that it was Capcom who picked the design from the possible hundred others on the wall. My understanding is that Tammin said to Capcom that he could pull it of and pushed for the design, too, but Capcom had to approve it first.

 

[chocolateghost79]

A place for people to discuss if it's coincedence or not that DmC Dante resembles Tameem.

oh okay

While I agree with a lot of what your saying it also needs to be noted that it was Capcom who picked the design from the possible hundred others on the wall. My understanding is that Tammin said to Capcom that he could pull it of and pushed for the design, too, but Capcom had to approve it first.

and berto is right capcom approved of the design, they had apparently had plenty of other designs that were closer to the dante we recognize, but capcom told them to go as far as they could with the design.

 

[CoolDemon]

While I agree with a lot of what your saying it also needs to be noted that it was Capcom who picked the design from the possible hundred others on the wall. My understanding is that Tammin said to Capcom that he could pull it of and pushed for the design, too, but Capcom had to approve it first.

That i am aware of but did Capcom also tell Ninja theory to make DmC Dante a smoking punk character with black hair which eventually goes white?
And if Capcom wanted a new character why did they give red jacket and white hair to DmC Dante? From what Ninja theory said they rejected their first designs where it showed a white haired looking Dante.
And will DmC Dante be permanent black haired? Or is the white hair patch insunating that his hair will go totally white in time?

But don't let side points distract you of my main point: Why change a character and then make DmC Dante receive white hair and red jacket with Devil trigger?

 

[V's patron]

I do disagree with on the uk related points and the notion that he is now a street brawler.

the uk thing is more of a clothing choice and doesn't necessarily make him british just like putting the Japanese flag or Guyanese flag on his shirt makes him Japanese or Guyanese. Plus I wouldn't call him British as there is nothing in him that would suggest he is British aside from being white and speaking English. Besides dmc never had confirmed or denied that it takes place in a world like ours and limbo city could be anywhere. for all we know, limbo city could be in Nevada. I disagree that they need to put the uk flag in enslaved or heavenly sword as there was no context for it. there are no countries in those worlds.

I would consider Etnad to be less grandstanding and more focused but I still a brawler since he isn't rushing into battle barring his fists and striking anyone with impunity or rage. He is more in control. I think Nero had more of a street brawler in him than Dino or Donte.

I think the Donte design we saw at e3 looked closer to tameem than the others.

 

[chocolateghost79]

That i am aware of but did Capcom also tell Ninja theory to make DmC Dante a smoking punk character with black hair which eventually goes white?
And if Capcom wanted a new character why did they give red jacket and white hair to DmC Dante? From what Ninja theory said they rejected their first designs where it showed a white haired looking Dante.
And will DmC Dante be permanent black haired? Or is the white hair patch insunating that his hair will go totally white in time?

well hopefully they dropped the dante smoking thing, because smoking is disgusting, and ever since the first trailer we haven't seen a cigarette near the lips of dante, so maybe the changed that aspect of him.
and i also question why nt/capcom gives dante white hair and red jacket in his devil trigger, because it doesn't fit in with the gameplay, and to be honest i hate the idea of it. it would be much cooler in my opinion if they would've just given new dante an awesome demon/angel form, and i think alot of people would agree with me about that.

 

[CoolDemon]

I do disagree with on the uk related points and the notion that he is now a street brawler.

the uk thing is more of a clothing choice and doesn't necessarily make him british just like putting the Japanese flag or Guyanese flag on his shirt makes him Japanese or Guyanese. Plus I wouldn't call him British as there is nothing in him that would suggest he is British aside from being white and speaking English. Besides dmc never had confirmed or denied that it takes place in a world like ours and limbo city could be anywhere. for all we know, limbo city could be in Nevada. I disagree that they need to put the uk flag in enslaved or heavenly sword as there was no context for it. there are no countries in those worlds.

I would consider Etnad to be less grandstanding and more focused but I still a brawler since he isn't rushing into battle barring his fists and striking anyone with impunity or rage. He is more in control. I think Nero had more of a street brawler in him than Dino or Donte.

I think the Donte design we saw at e3 looked closer to tameem than the others.

Tameem was the one who called him a street brawler not me. And if we assume that Limbo City and world DmC Dante lives in is not a representation of real world like Bayonetta with European city, then why is the flag on DmC Dante's jacket? If there is no countries or representation of real world in DmC world like Enslaved or Heavenly sword - then what's the point of the flag then? Because Enslaved and Heavenly sword didn't have flag on their clothing like DmC has.

And if the flag that DmC Dante has on jacket may be because DmC world is a representation of our world - the real world then the flag isn't unecessary. But so far it seems that it's not the case that DmC takes place in real world.

well hopefully they dropped the dante smoking thing, because smoking is disgusting, and ever since the first trailer we haven't seen a cigarette near the lips of dante, so maybe the changed that aspect of him.
and i also question why nt/capcom gives dante white hair and red jacket in his devil trigger, because it doesn't fit in with the gameplay, and to be honest i hate the idea of it. it would be much cooler in my opinion if they would've just given new dante an awesome demon/angel form, and i think alot of people would agree with me about that.

But Capcom asked for a totally new Dante when they rejected Ninja theory's designs of DMC Dante. So why have they now given white hair and red jacket to DmC Dante when they reject those sort of things before?

I agree with you on form. But that's not the topic so let's not discuss it here please

 

[chocolateghost79]

Tameem was the one who called him a street brawler not me. And if we assume that Limbo City and world DmC Dante lives in is not a representation of real world like Bayonetta with European city, then why is the flag on DmC Dante's jacket? If there is no countries or representation of real world in DmC world like Enslaved or Heavenly sword - then what's the point of the flag then? Because Enslaved and Heavenly sword didn't have flag on their clothing like DmC has.

And if the flag that DmC Dante has on jacket may be because DmC world is a representation of our world - the real world then the flag isn't unecessary. But so far it seems that it's not the case that DmC takes place in real world.



But Capcom asked for a totally new Dante when they rejected Ninja theory's designs of DMC Dante. So why have they now given white hair and red jacket to DmC Dante when they reject those sort of things before?

i see your point on the whole thing, but to be honest i think they put the flag on his sleeve as an easter egg to the ninja theory team, but more importantly for style. i can relate to this because i wear a hat with japan's rising sun on it, not because im japanese and im trying to show it through my hat, but because i think its stylish. in fact i was at the mall the other day and i wanted a belt that had union jacks all over it because to me that is stylish, however i do see your point on if the real world doesn't exist then the union jack flag doesn't make sense, and i would have to agree with that. perhaps they are mixing real world with fictional world, like bayonetta did with vigrid city in europe.

 

[berto]

The British flag is provably just a shout out to the studio, albe it a rather obvious and blaiten one, but I think that's as far as it goes.

I have two theories on the subject of Dan's hair. One, his hair is white, he's just coloring it. The second one has to do with the DT; honestly? I think they made the DT a red jacket and white hair to apeace the fans.

 

[CoolDemon]

The British flag is provably just a shout out to the studio, albe it a rather obvious and blaiten one, but I think that's as far as it goes.

I have two theories on the subject of Dan's hair. One, his hair is white, he's just coloring it. The second one has to do with the DT; honestly? I think they made the DT a red jacket and white hair to apeace the fans.

They haven't done a shout out to the studio with Enslaved and Heavenly sword characters. And i don't think the flag is to be seen anywhere in those two worlds either. But they have done it with DmC...

And the DT is very obvious a thing they did so that people would buy the game.
Your theory on colour hair is flawed because of DT and the theory that DmC Dante's hair is white because of demonic power.

i see your point on the whole thing, but to be honest i think they put the flag on his sleeve as an easter egg to the ninja theory team, but more importantly for style. i can relate to this because i wear a hat with japan's rising sun on it, not because im japanese and im trying to show it through my hat, but because i think its stylish. in fact i was at the mall the other day and i wanted a belt that had union jacks all over it because to me that is stylish, however i do see your point on if the real world doesn't exist then the union jack flag doesn't make sense, and i would have to agree with that. perhaps they are mixing real world with fictional world, like bayonetta did with vigrid city in europe.

If it's a easter egg to Ninja theory team - then is there easter eggs to Ninja theory team in Enslaved and Heavenly sword in form of a flag?
And if they think that the british flag is stylish - then it shows again that Ninja theory or Tameem who's leading them are creating things based on what THEY think is cool not what is actually cool or what fans find cool.
And if they created DmC Dante after Capcom asked them to make a different character based on what they themself found cool then it supports the fact that DmC Dante looked like DmC Dante in e3 trailer.

 

[chocolateghost79]

They haven't done a shout out to the studio with Enslaved and Heavenly sword characters. And i don't think the flag is to be seen anywhere in those two worlds either. But they have done it with DmC...

And the DT is very obvious a thing they did so that people would buy the game.
Your theory on colour hair is flawed because of DT and the theory that DmC Dante's hair is white because of demonic power.

well since DmC dante is ninja theory's take on dante it would make sense to put something on him to signify that this is our version of dante, but with heavenly sword and enslaved those were ninja theory's characters in the first place so why put the union jack on them?

 

[CoolDemon]

well since DmC dante is ninja theory's take on dante it would make sense to put something on him to signify that this is our version of dante, but with heavenly sword and enslaved those were ninja theory's characters in the first place so why put the union jack on them?

If they wanted to signify that it's their Dante - wouldn't it be better to add the logo of Ninja theory to the jacket than the british flag? Since we're on the path of labeling products...

 

[LordOfDarkness]

The original look of DmC Dante clearly has some resemblances to Tameem himself and Ninja Theory (The union jack).

The redesign of Dante loses the union jack. Dante now has brown hair and not black hair. And actually looks not far off from how DMC Dante looks anyway (In my opinion).

So I agree that originally DmC Dante looked a bit similar to Tameem. But not now though.

Just like to note that the union jack is NOT the British flag.

 

[chocolateghost79]

If they wanted to signify that it's their Dante - wouldn't it be better to add the logo of Ninja theory to the jacket than the british flag?

well if they were to add that logo it would probably look really funny on the character design. if we start putting advertisement logos on him he's gonna end up looking like a nascar driver instead of a devil hunter lol

 

[chocolateghost79]

The original look of DmC Dante clearly has some resemblances to Tameem himself and Ninja Theory (The union jack).

The redesign of Dante loses the union jack. Dante now has brown hair and not black hair. And actually looks not far off from how DMC Dante looks anyway (In my opinion).

So I agree that originally DmC Dante looked a bit similar to Tameem. But not now though.

Just like to note that the union jack is NOT the British flag.

i feel like an idiot now lol (about that last part)

 

[ToCool74]

I think its pretty obvious that the the early version of this Dante did not look like Tameen by pure coincidence.

It was just so blatant that it would be ridiculous not to notice it.

What I think happened is that Tameen thought he would make this Dante look more like himself and thus become more cool (because its obvious tameen thinks he himself is pretty cool) and just hopped that no one noticed it and if they did they did not complain about it.

Obviously this did not happen and alot of negative backlash towards it was unleashed.

I think Capcom where the ones who came to the decision to change this Dante into what he looks like now in order to try to settle those raging fans out there. They even threw in a DT that made this Dante have a similar color scheme to the old Dante (red jacket and white hair).

 

[CoolDemon]

well if they were to add that logo it would probably look really funny on the character design. if we start putting advertisement logos on him he's gonna end up looking like a nascar driver instead of a devil hunter lol

But you say that the british flag is to tell people "This Dante is our (NT) version of DMC Dante". Ninja theory's logo would say that better than a british flag. Or a Ninja character icon.

Just like to note that the union jack is NOT the British flag.

Searches google "British flag:"

Searhces Union jack :

I don't see the difference ?

 

[LordOfDarkness]

i feel like an idiot now lol (about that last part)

The union jack is the flag of the United Kingdom. It's made up of four countries. England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. But the English flag is for our country, just one country.