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So , What's The Catch ?

About Dante being dead as a kid, maybe they did try to kill him. Didn't Bob mention in the boss fight about Dante killing a nurse at one of the children homes? I'm betting she was a demon in disguise out to get him. Then Bob mentions Dante running away after that and joining a gang. Of course that could just be Bob being a liar.
 
Kam said:
so according to you, any difference that people think isn't normal is grounds for being outcast.

while nephalim aren't the only group that this distinction fits for, they do fit that distinction, especially with mundus making sure society hates you.

Get born a nephalim, mundus makes society think you're trouble, you're outcast. This is really not that difficult to follow.
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That's what I've seen. Someone has a different opinion than the majority, they're hated. Have a simple deformity, you're hated. Act different, you're hated. It starts in school as a child, and will carry on into adult-hood.

You're putting it all on what Dante is called without looking at how much of a threat he is. And Vergil wasn't an outcast. He was accepted by everyone because Mundus didn't realize who his parents were. He didn't know there were two with the power to kill him. If he had, he would have targeted both.
 
Loopy said:
About Dante being dead as a kid, maybe they did try to kill him. Didn't Bob mention in the boss fight about Dante killing a nurse at one of the children homes? I'm betting she was a demon in disguise out to get him. Then Bob mentions Dante running away after that and joining a gang. Of course that could just be Bob being a liar.
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if that does happen, it would certainly make a lot of sense
 
EllDawn said:
That's what I've seen. Someone has a different opinion than the majority, they're hated. Have a simple deformity, you're hated. Act different, you're hated. It starts in school as a child, and will carry on into adult-hood.

You're putting it all on what Dante is called without looking at how much of a threat he is. And Vergil wasn't an outcast. He was accepted by everyone because Mundus didn't realize who his parents were. He didn't know there were two with the power to kill him. If he had, he would have targeted both.
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yes, there are many reasons you can be outcast by society, and being a nephalim is dante's reason. I don't really see vergil being accepted by society though, he is the leader of "anonymous" after all
 
If Vergil makes himself known as leader of The Order then he would certainly become a public enemy. But as he's unknown to Mundus, I guess he has more freedom to move around than Dante.
 
Loopy said:
If Vergil makes himself known as leader of The Order then he would certainly become a public enemy. But as he's unknown to Mundus, I guess he has more freedom to move around than Dante.
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hm, that's true. Apparently he's super rich too?
 
Made his money from computers and designing a security program from what I remember. He was also adopted into a wealthy family. Money does allow for a greater level of freedom.
 
Kam said:
yes, there are many reasons you can be outcast by society, and being a nephalim is dante's reason. I don't really see vergil being accepted by society though, he is the leader of "anonymous" after all
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No, Dante is an outcast because his behaviors do not conform to what Limbo City's sociaty expects as "normal". Him being a nephilim becomes the reason that he's targeted AFTER Mundus finds out, which from all indications was just before the intro stages at the pier
 
Dante Redgrave said:
No, Dante is an outcast because his behaviors do not conform to what Limbo City's sociaty expects as "normal". Him being a nephilim becomes the reason that he's targets AFTER Mundus finds out, which from all indications was just before the intro stages at the pier
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Thank you for saying that.
 
Kam said:
yes, there are many reasons you can be outcast by society, and being a nephalim is dante's reason. I don't really see vergil being accepted by society though, he is the leader of "anonymous" after all
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Vergil was accepted by society. He's more able to go out without being discovered than Dante is.

And Dante Redgrave explained the rest better.
 
EllDawn said:
Vergil was accepted by society. He's more able to go out without being discovered than Dante is.

And Dante Redgrave explained the rest better.
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okay then, so since we can't seem to agree on a weakness, apparently being a nephalim is the best thing in the world. You get all the powers of both and there's no downside
 
I think there would be a psychological downside. It's clear that Mundus does not like nephilim because of the threat they represent to his power, so demons do not accept nephilim.

Then there's the fact that a nephilim would know they are not human, so would they want to try and fit in with humans? Also, maybe humans would know, like a sixth sense, that a nephilim was not like them, so humans would avoid them.

As for angels, I don't know as we haven't seen them in the game except in artwork.Nephilim are part of the demon and angel realm, but most likely accepted by neither. They are in a genetic limbo- excuse the pun. :P

I'd say nephilim would feel isolated and cut off, confused about why and how they came to exist, but I guess it would depend on the personality of the nephilim.
 
Kam said:
okay then, so since we can't seem to agree on a weakness, apparently being a nephalim is the best thing in the world. You get all the powers of both and there's no downside
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Social outcast is not a trait "weakness", it's a result of your behavior. Weaknesses would probably involve a number of mental and chemical disorders, a very temperamental shifting moods, possibly bipolar or such. And as Loopy said, probably an inherent sense of isolation because you don't belong in either side.
 
Kam said:
okay then, so since we can't seem to agree on a weakness, apparently being a nephalim is the best thing in the world. You get all the powers of both and there's no downside
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Angels and demons can both die in the game, I assume. There would be nothing to set them apart from that. I don't remember who, but someone once mentioned Mundus saying he was going to rip out Dante's heart and eat it. Maybe removing the heart is how you kill a nephilim. That is a weakness, just like in Highlander where the way to kill an immortal was to cut off the head. In the Prophecy films, removing the heart was the only way to kill an angel. So there's a weakness. It might be hard to do, but it also still gives Dante a reason to protect himself.
 
Yep, Mundus did say he could rip out Dante's heart. It's from an image on the Japanese game site.
If Mundus can kill Eva by ripping out her heart, the same could be for Dante.
 
Either heart being ripped out, or maybe Mundus could decapitate Dante. I'd say he coudln't survive losing his head. Unless there's some significance to the heart, like ganing power from eating it.
 
That made me think of a scene from The Faculty where a woman's head kind of grew tentacles and made its way back to her body. I hope they wouldn't do something like that with this unless it's a demon. He probably wouldn't survive losing his head, which gives him two possible ways to die.

Gaining power from eating his heart is possible. There are some things that talk about gaining power and knowledge from eating an enemy's flesh.
 
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