So , What's The Catch ?

[TWOxACROSS]

Grossly generalized, and ignoring all of the other things people have mentioned in the story about Dante being a Nephilim.

The way you're saying it is the only reason Dante is a Nephilim is because it makes him a social outcast, and vice versa, which just isn't true, because there's more to it than that.

 

[Kam]

Grossly generalized, and ignoring all of the other things people have mentioned in the story about Dante being a Nephilim.

The way you're saying it is the only reason Dante is a Nephilim is because it makes him a social outcast, and vice versa, which just isn't true, because there's more to it than that.

More like Mundus wants him dead because Dante has the power to kill him. It's not him being a social outcast. He's hated because of what he means for Mundus and other demons. Later on it might be the same for angels.

and so because of who he is (nephalim) mundus makes sure that everyone thinks he's a terrorist and a deviant. because of this, society rejects him.

This really isn't that difficult to understand. If he wasn't a nephalim, mundus wouldn't be interested in making society think he's a terrorist, but he is, so he does.

Nephalim = mundus smear campaign = social outcast.

 

[EllDawn]

and so because of who he is (nephalim) mundus makes sure that everyone thinks he's a terrorist and a deviant. because of this, society rejects him.

This really isn't that difficult to understand. If he wasn't a nephalim, mundus wouldn't be interested in making society think he's a terrorist, but he is, so he does.

Nephalim = mundus smear campaign = social outcast.

That's being enemy number one, not a social outcast. If he wasn't a nephilim, Mundus wouldn't see him as a threat and try to destroy him. Making him seem like a terrorist is a cover-up so he can expose Dante faster. He wants him dead to end the possibility of him losing. It's more of a vendetta. Besides, you're looking more at what he is, rather than what he can do. And nephilims are also known to be half angel/half human. Think Mundus would be against a hybrid like that? I don't.

 

[Kam]

That's being enemy number one, not a social outcast. If he wasn't a nephilim, Mundus wouldn't see him as a threat and try to destroy him. Making him seem like a terrorist is a cover-up so he can expose Dante faster. He wants him dead to end the possibility of him losing. It's more of a vendetta. Besides, you're looking more at what he is, rather than what he can do. And nephilims are also known to be half angel/half human. Think Mundus would be against a hybrid like that? I don't.

you're arguing semantics. Enemy number 1 != social outcast? Step it up, I lived in a house of philosophy majors for 4 years.

The way society treats dante is a direct result of mundus's campaign against him
that campaign against him is a direct result of dante being a nephalim

 

[TWOxACROSS]

It's not the matter of what he is and how it correlates to something else, it's how you keep tearing things down to the most generic bullshit, ignoring everything else that actually makes it worth something, and sounding like a gigantic asshole about it.

You keep saying he's simply a social outcast because he's a Nephilim, as if that's all there is to, but you're ignoring the emotional and mental implications that go along with it, like I mentioned - Dante not feeling he has any place in the world, as well as any other number of possibilities.

You run your mouth off making everything seem so vapid through gross generalization, which like...three people have proven can be done to anything and you didn't acknowledge. How 'bout we go back to Queen of the Damned, and I grossly generalize that Akasha just wants to rule the world because she's an evil vampire?

 

[EllDawn]

you're arguing semantics. Enemy number 1 != social outcast? Step it up, I lived in a house of philosophy majors for 4 years.

The way society treats dante is a direct result of mundus's campaign against him
that campaign against him is a direct result of dante being a nephalim

This is more psychology than philosophy. A true enemy is a danger to those against him, an outcast is hated for no real reason. Ask anyone that was an outcast in school. Everyone else in the game that isn't a demon might not know why they're afraid of Dante other than the destruction they've seen without knowing he was being attacked. Mundus knows the threat he is, so he's trying to save himself, thus Dante is his enemy. He has a reason to see him that way. That's the root of Dante being hated, because Mundus is trying to keep hold of his control over humans and Dante is capable of taking that from him. And the difference in how we're looking at this is I'm looking at more than just a word, I'm looking at the motive which changes it from something as simple as you're trying to make it.

 

[Kam]

It's not the matter of what he is and how it correlates to something else, it's how you keep tearing things down to the most generic bullshit, ignoring everything else that actually makes it worth something, and sounding like a gigantic asshole about it.

You keep saying he's simply a social outcast because he's a Nephilim, as if that's all there is to, but you're ignoring the emotional and mental implications that go along with it, like I mentioned - Dante not feeling he has any place in the world, as well as any other number of possibilities.

You run your mouth off making everything seem so vapid through gross generalization, which like...three people have proven can be done to anything and you didn't acknowledge. How 'bout we go back to Queen of the Damned, and I grossly generalize that Akasha just wants to rule the world because she's an evil vampire?

you summarized the movie, not the book, and you did it wrong. I didn't feel like talking about it because someone had already successfully summarized it well before you, and I'd already responded to them. I figured you'd get the hint that I acknowledged their summary and not yours.

Now, let's go through this one step at a time. I'm going to hold your hand here.

why does dante feel like he has no place in the world?

 

[Kam]

This is more psychology than philosophy. A true enemy is a danger to those against him, an outcast is hated for no real reason. Ask anyone that was an outcast in school. Everyone else in the game that isn't a demon might not know why they're afraid of Dante other than the destruction they've seen without knowing he was being attacked. Mundus knows the threat he is, so he's trying to save himself, thus Dante is his enemy. He has a reason to see him that way. That's the root of Dante being hated, because Mundus is trying to keep hold of his control over humans and Dante is capable of taking that from him. And the difference in how we're looking at this is I'm looking at more than just a word, I'm looking at the motive which changes it from something as simple as you're trying to make it.

no, it's semantics, which is a tool philosophy majors use a lot when they want to talk at great length about something they don't know about.

Let me ask you, what would dante's life be like if he weren't a nephalim?

 

[EllDawn]

no, it's semantics, which is a tool philosophy majors use a lot when they want to talk at great length about something they don't know about.

Let me ask you, what would dante's life be like if he weren't a nephalim?

If he weren't a nephilim he'd be used just like the rest, he'd be a slave and still in a bad situation. He'd probably still be abused if he was still put in an orphanage. That would make him a social outcast because of there still being a difference, but he wouldn't be a threat to Mundus. No one would truly be out to kill him.

And what was done to make people hate Dante is psychological. You twist someone's image enough you could make anyone hate them. And you're still ignoring the motive, which counts a lot in why he's hunted.

 

[Kam]

If he weren't a nephilim he'd be used just like the rest, he'd be a slave and still in a bad situation. He'd probably still be abused if he was still put in an orphanage. That would make him a social outcast because of there still being a difference, but he wouldn't be a threat to Mundus. No one would truly be out to kill him.

And what was done to make people hate Dante is psychological. You twist someone's image enough you could make anyone hate them. And you're still ignoring the motive, which counts a lot in why he's hunted.

so are all non-nephalim outcast by society anyway? be more clear in what you're trying to say

 

[EllDawn]

so are all non-nephalim outcast by society anyway? be more clear in what you're trying to say

Those who have any difference that people think isn't normal, which isn't just nephilims. And nephilims can be accepted by humans. It's the motive for those hating him, not what he is.

 

[Dante Redgrave]

Dante is an outcast of sociaty from his own rebellious and non-conforming actions, which are a result of WHO he is, not Mundus' attempts to kill him. Mundus didn't even know it was him from what we've seen until Dante brought home a couple of strippers from the nightclub. Thus, Nephilim=/=Social Ouctcast

 

[Kam]

Those who have any difference that people think isn't normal, which isn't just nephilims. And nephilims can be accepted by humans. It's the motive for those hating him, not what he is.

so according to you, any difference that people think isn't normal is grounds for being outcast.

while nephalim aren't the only group that this distinction fits for, they do fit that distinction, especially with mundus making sure society hates you.

Get born a nephalim, mundus makes society think you're trouble, you're outcast. This is really not that difficult to follow.

 

[Loopy]

If by non-nephilim, you mean human, then they are being used like tools by Mundis.
But the humans like Kat and The Order are outcasts. They know the truth, so they have probably removed themselves from society voluntarily and actively fight the demons.The Order is branded as a terrorist group by Raptor news; Mundis is actively looking for them, so they can't be a part of society unless they want to be discovered.

 

[Kam]

Dante is an outcast of sociaty from his own rebellious and non-conforming actions, which are a result of WHO he is, not Mundus' attempts to kill him. Mundus didn't even know it was him from what we've seen until Dante brought home a couple of strippers from the nightclub. Thus, Nephilim=/=Social Ouctcast

dante was abused because he was known to be a nephalim, even though he himself didn't know it. If he wasn't a nephalim, this might not have happened, but since he was, outside forces guaranteed that it did. Why are you even arguing anyway? I thought you guys liked the fact that dante was a social reject?

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Did I not just tell you it's not about the fact that's he's a Nephilim, it's that you're grossly generalizing everything and ignoring everything else about it? All you did was claim that the catch of him being Nephilim makes him a social outcast, simply because of Mundus' smear campaign. I told you it made little sense because there's so much more to his being Nephilim than that one thing you keep focusing on. His being a Nephilim doesn't inherently even mean being a social outcast, just that he's a threat to a demon king. If Mundus wasn't in control of Limbo City, there wouldn't be any smear campaign.

There's more circumstances than just being Nephilim.

I'm tired of your gross generalization of stuff dude. I'm gonna go play Dark Souls and shove swords in people's butts.

 

[Kam]

Did I not just tell you it's not about the fact that's he's a Nephilim, it's that you're grossly generalizing everything and ignoring everything else about it? All you did was claim that the catch of him being Nephilim makes him a social outcast, simply because of Mundus' smear campaign. I told you it made little sense because there's so much more to his being Nephilim than that one thing you keep focusing on. His being a Nephilim doesn't inherently even mean being a social outcast, just that he's a threat to a demon king. If Mundus wasn't in control of Limbo City, there wouldn't be any smear campaign.

There's more circumstances than just being Nephilim.

I'm tired of your gross generalization of stuff dude. I'm gonna go play Dark Souls and shove swords in people's butts.

yes, being a nephalim doesn't inherently mean he's a social outcast, mundus just made sure that it ended up being that way. Mundus made this decision because he's a nephalim. End of story.

 

[Loopy]

If the demons knew he was nephilim, and that was the reason for abuse, they why did they not finish the job and kill him as a kid?

 

[Dante Redgrave]

~hands TWOxACROSS a Buster Sword sized weapon for that task~ I'm right here with you. Dante would likely be an outcast even if NOT a Nephilim because of the fact HE got dumped into a city child services system that abused and f'd with the kids anyway. If Mundus had known the whole time Dante was the Sparda spawn...he'd be DEAD asa child, not wait ten or so years for teh kid to grow up and be a threat.

 

[Kam]

If the demons knew he was nephilim, and that was the reason for abuse, they why did they not finish the job and kill him as a kid?

probably for the same reason demons try to rule the world by controlling fox news and soft drinks, instead of just being demons and rampaging around using demonic brute force.