So new DMC animated series are coming to Netflix

[windleopard]

Evanescence’s Amy Lee On Joining Netflix’s Devil May Cry Soundtrack With New Track Afterlife, Her Love For Zelda, And Guilty Pleasure Anime

“This is the first time I've seen something where they're going to that time period as a throwback,” Lee tells me. “It feels really good.” Not all of the music in the series is about that ’00s nostalgia, however. Aside from Afterlife, which is a brand new track, Lee says there is a “bunch of really great old and new music”.

“Mako started the song, and we finished it together. I can't take credit for having an idea to start the thing that lit the match, but definitely took it and ran with it. Right away, I was like, ‘Oh, I really like the vibe of this. Let's check out the show.’”

Lee watched the whole first season before it was finalised to help get some inspiration for Afterlife. “I love it. It’s so well done. It's beautiful to look at,” she says, before quickly adding with a laugh, “I mean, it's gruesome, it’s not for children. But when I say it’s well done, I mean the story and it's layered and you’re like, ‘Oh, ****!’ You're definitely on a trip constantly.”

Watching the show helped Lee when writing some of the lyrics for Afterlife. “Whenever I'm involved in anything like this, I feel like it's really important to get in there. See what you're doing, even if you're not writing the whole thing.” She says writing songs for a show like this, where you know what happens, means that she tries to avoid “too many specifics” when it comes to the lyrics.

“You want to get the heart and the emotion and draw all of those things from yourself and project it from the character through you. I think for me, subconsciously, naturally, lyrics and vibes come out and come through that I don't even really necessarily mean to, because I'm just living in that place after watching the whole thing, you know?”

 

[Morgan]

looking back, I wanted two different things from Netflix DMC- a fresh new take and 3 as a starting point. I didn't realize how contradictory they were till now.

I mean I could've told you you were being contradictory and this anime is literally exactly what you were asking for the whole time in the worst way, but...

 

[V's patron]

I mean I could've told you you were being contradictory and this anime is literally exactly what you were asking for the whole time in the worst way, but...

I prefer it this way.

 

[Morgan]

I prefer it this way.

The spectre of "You think you want it, but you don't" haunts this forum forevermore~, oooOooOOOOooOoOOOOooo...

 

[Lain]

We only got a day and a half left to go. Midnight Pacific time, I think it's how Netflix operates. We'll see it all goes down before long. We don't even know if they'll release it weekly or all at once, now that I think about it.

Tangentially related, but I hate how Netflix releases its shows. It completely throttles the hype and retention that releasing an episode each week builds, people love to discuss things over the water cooler and dissect things whilst crafting theories for the future. But when you just pump and dump it like Netflix does, it have to consume it all as quickly as possible to avoid being spoiled or at least take part in some of the discussion and then the show gets forgotten about in a week or two as the streaming service just keeps churning content out.

--EDIT--

Also they just released what is presumably the last trailer.

 

[DoomSlayer87_Sss]

That gives me more confidence in the action at least, thank fark

 

[berto]

actually knowing that detail requires them to look at outside media.

This was supervised by Itsuno and the man was given access to things no one outside of capcom has ever seen, like the 3rd volume of the manga. He knows.

people were likening Dante's hairstyle to Justin Bieber

People? I was talking about the people making the show not the general audience. The people making the show know the history of the games and if this studio is a Japanese anime studio then their associations are Japanese. If not the big wigs at least the animators. At the very least the director picked that over this and, looking at his choice of music, Biever is not someone he thinks about a lot.

"This can't be too Eastern/Japanese! We must appeal to the West"

I honestly don't think so. I think that didn't even enter their minds. From what I see the man probably got details from Capcom and saw that they placed DMC3 in the 00s and he just went with it.

Kamiya was once interviewed about DMC1 and they asked him about Dante's info and he said he didn't want to reveal such things because it would detract from the mystery of the character. An unspecified age and origin is more intriguing. I see nothing from this that says these people understand the concept. They plastered it all over the place like it was the main theme and it's adding a flavor to the narrative that I don't care for. I swear, if 9/11 is a big part of it I might slam myself against something.

And it being 2000s America inspired doesn't preclude Dante from actually looking his age or looking like an American boyband member.

Sure. And Bayonetta looks like Sarah Palin. These are true statements. I'm not saying they don't look it, I'm saying the original designs were from a Japanese boy bad, shirtless coat and everything. Yeah, Justin Bieber had the same haircut but I'm sure we can rule him out as an artistic inspiration for DMC3.

Funny thing. People in Japan were told that in the West people were saying Bayonetta looked like Sarah Palin and they didn't know who that was. They did, however, mention that in Japan they were comparing her to Japanese singer, Angela Aki.

That DMC is a property in Japan created by the Japanese with their quirks and was still received well overseas suddenly no longer matters

That's a Japan thing. Game developers are still chasing that US dollar. It is the largest consumer of video games. The Japanese player base still feels betrayed because of how their developers don't care about their gamers. There are a lot of things changing back and the developers seem to be making strides to reintroduce Japanese sensibilities bock into their games but games can take up to 5 years to develop and an anime show can take up to 3. Any change in priorities will take that long to take effect and if we look at how long the wait for one season of Castlevania took then this isn't something that they could abort and re make.

I saw. I hope that that's not Enzo tied to the chair. I know we all had 'turn characters black' in our bingo cards but I don't think Enzo was on the valot.

Still not crazy about it. It's got so many ups and downs. Good ideas not executed well. For example, the part where they're all shooting at the wall and Dante is shooting at it next to them. 'What are we shooting at?' That's a good idea but this is more Peter Parker humor than Dante. If I had to do the gag, gun to the head, I'd have Dante appear in between all of them or next to the team leader asking 'what are you shooting at?' It's not great but I think this has more of a Dante vibe than what they did. When he flicked that dude, again, great idea but I just don't find the they way they did it to be that well done.

Some of this comes off like Bugs Bunny hijinks. I mean, there's is a lot of cartoonish elements here. Why have the screeching tire effect with the cue ball? Just shoot it. I don't know, have it rip through the edge of the pool table if you want to add more than just the shoot. Also, if you listen, when Dante takes the coat from I-hope-it's-not-Enzo they put in an silly spinning sound. That was an oy vey moment, if ever.

I know that this is supposed to be a reference to the opening scene of the light novel but this scene is rather disjointed. It feels rushed in places and like it drags in others. I am probably going to be bitching a lot tomorrow.

 

[Morgan]

This was supervised by Itsuno and the man was given access to things no one outside of capcom has ever seen, like the 3rd volume of the manga. He knows.

I wasn't talking about Itsuno, though. I said FANS actually knowing that detail requires they (the fans) look at outside media, and I'm 100% correct on that. No Western fan immediately looked at DMC3 Dante in 2005 and clocked him as "Oh, he's specifically modeled after a Japanese boyband member" unless they already knew about Japanese boybands of the time or read of it/learned from someone who knew. He would just come across as a rocker with an emo hairstyle.

People? I was talking about the people making the show not the general audience.

And I was talking about the general audience. Like I said, fans.

The people making the show know the history of the games and if this studio is a Japanese anime studio then their associations are Japanese.

Studio Mir is South Korean and the studio is responsible for The Legend of Korra and The Witcher animated series. It's basically "fake anime". (Sure, some Japanese anime also outsource things to nearby countries but not to this extent.)

If not the big wigs at least the animators. At the very least the director picked that over this and, looking at his choice of music, Bieber is not someone he thinks about a lot.

The director doesn't think about DMC3 Dante being modeled after a Japanese rocker either, which is the point I'm making. He's throwing a sh!tton of "Americanisms" at Dante like he read the DMC1 booklet of "Dante being a mercenary living in Modern America" and the prop of a mummified Yoda in the office and whatever other details he felt like and then blanked out the rest, and *fans* (people who claimed they were such when they wanted to hate the reboot) are suddenly now okay with some Westerner throwing out the Japanese quirks of the games they grew up with in favor of appealing specifically to American sensibilities, when the last non-Japanese guy said Capcom wanted the game they were in charge of to "appeal to the West" and these "fans" cried foul.

Fans didn't require things to specifically pander to every single aspect of their culture for them to find familiarity in it and like it, and the director's notion of what constitutes "something being Eastern" and "something being Western" and treating them as mutually exclusive is dumb.

I honestly don't think so. I think that didn't even enter their minds. From what I see the man probably got details from Capcom and saw that they placed DMC3 in the 00s and he just went with it.

Placing DMC3 in the 00s when DMC1 released in 2001 (and Dante was living in "modern" America) is the second worst thing yet concerning the timeline (the first worst is 3142 magically turning into 31245). And it still contradicts whatever Itsuno said about the prior games (at least 1, 2, and 3) taking place in the 80s just because he didn't want to address laptops and cellphones. The F is going on, lmao.

Kamiya was once interviewed about DMC1 and they asked him about Dante's info and he said he didn't want to reveal such things because it would detract from the mystery of the character. An unspecified age and origin is more intriguing.

Kamiya is on record saying he wanted Dante to be "witty like a British guy", "a fighting gentleman", and "similar age to Space Adventurer Cobra", plus the detail about him living in "Modern America" and Drew Coombs having a copy of the draft script where Dante was around 23. Kamiya gave details, and what little he gave were enough to capture Dante's coolness because in execution Dante was a fully actualized adult that didn't have to be a tryhard to be cool, he shrugged off getting impaled and shot away a motorcycle lobbed at him.

Kamiya is undeniably Japanese. His idea of "Western cool" was filtered through his experiences and was not lost on a Western audience back in 2001, so it's really telling that people hyped up for this anime are being (and have been) appeased by a version of Dante who's a loser.

I see nothing from this that says these people understand the concept. They plastered it all over the place like it was the main theme and it's adding a flavor to the narrative that I don't care for. I swear, if 9/11 is a big part of it I might slam myself against something.

The USA continues to have brainworms about 9/11 (especially the MCU) and this show has MCU humor as well as Wannabe MCU humor (Dante saving people in the diner in the middle of an explosion === the Quicksilver scene from the Fox X-Men: Apocalypse movie) so I'm not getting my hopes up.

Sure. And Bayonetta looks like Sarah Palin. These are true statements. I'm not saying they don't look it, I'm saying the original designs were from a Japanese boy bad, shirtless coat and everything. Yeah, Justin Bieber had the same haircut but I'm sure we can rule him out as an artistic inspiration for DMC3.

I don't get what it is you're not getting.

Western Fans wouldn't know Dante was modeled after a specifically Japanese boyband member back in 2005. They registered him as a "punk rocker with his chest out and emo hair" and still think that's the best Dante of all time (enough that Capcom keeps mining and miming DMC3 in new entries to the series). None of what Dante exhibited were *so* exclusive to Japan and completely divorced from American interests so much that an "Americanized Dante" needed to have this square jawline, wear a shirt, and all this other nonsense, unless you're trying to will into existence a notion that Western rock or punk has never ever had shirtless, youthful, or even androgynous frontmen or that Western fans didn't find appeal in any of these things, which is a categorically false assertion.

Funny thing. People in Japan were told that in the West people were saying Bayonetta looked like Sarah Palin and they didn't know who that was. They did, however, mention that in Japan they were comparing her to Japanese singer, Angela Aki.

That is literally my point. Fans that don't know the foreign reference of a character's design (regardless of how true it is!) will liken the character to something they do know from their own culture. They don't know what they don't know. It being foreign doesn't lessen the appeal to them if the character stands on their own as amazing and their appeal isn't solely "the character is similar to another thing, please make the connection and attribute positive values to our product", because if that is the sole appeal, it will fall flat to those that can't make the connection. You've made this point yourself before. What's not clicking?

DMC1 Dante having a relatively tan skin tone and white hair is a typical Japanese/anime trope to signify his otherworldly identity and demonic nature. American fans didn't clock Dante as "This is too Japanese for me to get" or his skin-hair contrast as any statement on real-world genetics, they saw "Oh, he has white hair, he must be special" and by his name and the reference to Dante Alighieri they extrapolated that Dante is descended from Italians/is an Italian-American and called it a day and enjoyed the damn game. What's happening now is total bull.

If a new Bayonetta anime came out from someone in the West and they decided "We need to remove Japanese elements" and Bayonetta looked like a cross between Sarah Palin and Tulsi Gabbard, was given a frumpy dress because they determined that the bodysuit was "too Japanese", filled the soundtrack solely with slow 60s love songs or 60s pop music (just because of Fly Me To The Moon and nothing else), but kept the glasses and magic to still be recognizable, and people claiming to be "fans of Bayonetta" hollered that "this director understood the assignment" and that this is the exact Bayonetta they wanted to see, that would be the exact same issue.

That's a Japan thing. Game developers are still chasing that US dollar. It is the largest consumer of video games.

China is the largest consumer and US follows at second place, but go off.

I saw. I hope that that's not Enzo tied to the chair. I know we all had 'turn characters black' in our bingo cards but I don't think Enzo was on the valot.

You have this really weird definition of Black that needs to be studied.

I thought you meant he got turned Morrison black, but all this possibly-Enzo guy is is "not super white". He's an olive-toned Italian in the same way DMC1 Dante wasn't automatically black just because he wasn't pure albino/the pasty face he becomes in 3 and onward.

The man in the chair is more likely to be Enzo than not because they're referencing the Viewtiful Joe gag of "Enzo stole Dante's clothes to look like him (and that's why DMC2 happened!)" as part of the lame canon kitchen sink they're aiming for.

Some of this comes off like Bugs Bunny hijinks. I mean, there's is a lot of cartoonish elements here. Why have the screeching tire effect with the cue ball? Just shoot it.

Saturday Morning Cartoon goofiness and MCU humor exactly like I said.