So new DMC animated series are coming to Netflix

[windleopard]

Evanescence’s Amy Lee On Joining Netflix’s Devil May Cry Soundtrack With New Track Afterlife, Her Love For Zelda, And Guilty Pleasure Anime

“This is the first time I've seen something where they're going to that time period as a throwback,” Lee tells me. “It feels really good.” Not all of the music in the series is about that ’00s nostalgia, however. Aside from Afterlife, which is a brand new track, Lee says there is a “bunch of really great old and new music”.

“Mako started the song, and we finished it together. I can't take credit for having an idea to start the thing that lit the match, but definitely took it and ran with it. Right away, I was like, ‘Oh, I really like the vibe of this. Let's check out the show.’”

Lee watched the whole first season before it was finalised to help get some inspiration for Afterlife. “I love it. It’s so well done. It's beautiful to look at,” she says, before quickly adding with a laugh, “I mean, it's gruesome, it’s not for children. But when I say it’s well done, I mean the story and it's layered and you’re like, ‘Oh, ****!’ You're definitely on a trip constantly.”

Watching the show helped Lee when writing some of the lyrics for Afterlife. “Whenever I'm involved in anything like this, I feel like it's really important to get in there. See what you're doing, even if you're not writing the whole thing.” She says writing songs for a show like this, where you know what happens, means that she tries to avoid “too many specifics” when it comes to the lyrics.

“You want to get the heart and the emotion and draw all of those things from yourself and project it from the character through you. I think for me, subconsciously, naturally, lyrics and vibes come out and come through that I don't even really necessarily mean to, because I'm just living in that place after watching the whole thing, you know?”

 

[Morgan]

looking back, I wanted two different things from Netflix DMC- a fresh new take and 3 as a starting point. I didn't realize how contradictory they were till now.

I mean I could've told you you were being contradictory and this anime is literally exactly what you were asking for the whole time in the worst way, but...

 

[V's patron]

I mean I could've told you you were being contradictory and this anime is literally exactly what you were asking for the whole time in the worst way, but...

I prefer it this way.

 

[Morgan]

I prefer it this way.

The spectre of "You think you want it, but you don't" haunts this forum forevermore~, oooOooOOOOooOoOOOOooo...

 

[Lain]

We only got a day and a half left to go. Midnight Pacific time, I think it's how Netflix operates. We'll see it all goes down before long. We don't even know if they'll release it weekly or all at once, now that I think about it.

Tangentially related, but I hate how Netflix releases its shows. It completely throttles the hype and retention that releasing an episode each week builds, people love to discuss things over the water cooler and dissect things whilst crafting theories for the future. But when you just pump and dump it like Netflix does, it have to consume it all as quickly as possible to avoid being spoiled or at least take part in some of the discussion and then the show gets forgotten about in a week or two as the streaming service just keeps churning content out.

--EDIT--

Also they just released what is presumably the last trailer.

 

[DoomSlayer87_Sss]

That gives me more confidence in the action at least, thank fark

 

[berto]

actually knowing that detail requires them to look at outside media.

This was supervised by Itsuno and the man was given access to things no one outside of capcom has ever seen, like the 3rd volume of the manga. He knows.

people were likening Dante's hairstyle to Justin Bieber

People? I was talking about the people making the show not the general audience. The people making the show know the history of the games and if this studio is a Japanese anime studio then their associations are Japanese. If not the big wigs at least the animators. At the very least the director picked that over this and, looking at his choice of music, Biever is not someone he thinks about a lot.

"This can't be too Eastern/Japanese! We must appeal to the West"

I honestly don't think so. I think that didn't even enter their minds. From what I see the man probably got details from Capcom and saw that they placed DMC3 in the 00s and he just went with it.

Kamiya was once interviewed about DMC1 and they asked him about Dante's info and he said he didn't want to reveal such things because it would detract from the mystery of the character. An unspecified age and origin is more intriguing. I see nothing from this that says these people understand the concept. They plastered it all over the place like it was the main theme and it's adding a flavor to the narrative that I don't care for. I swear, if 9/11 is a big part of it I might slam myself against something.

And it being 2000s America inspired doesn't preclude Dante from actually looking his age or looking like an American boyband member.

Sure. And Bayonetta looks like Sarah Palin. These are true statements. I'm not saying they don't look it, I'm saying the original designs were from a Japanese boy bad, shirtless coat and everything. Yeah, Justin Bieber had the same haircut but I'm sure we can rule him out as an artistic inspiration for DMC3.

Funny thing. People in Japan were told that in the West people were saying Bayonetta looked like Sarah Palin and they didn't know who that was. They did, however, mention that in Japan they were comparing her to Japanese singer, Angela Aki.

That DMC is a property in Japan created by the Japanese with their quirks and was still received well overseas suddenly no longer matters

That's a Japan thing. Game developers are still chasing that US dollar. It is the largest consumer of video games. The Japanese player base still feels betrayed because of how their developers don't care about their gamers. There are a lot of things changing back and the developers seem to be making strides to reintroduce Japanese sensibilities bock into their games but games can take up to 5 years to develop and an anime show can take up to 3. Any change in priorities will take that long to take effect and if we look at how long the wait for one season of Castlevania took then this isn't something that they could abort and re make.

I saw. I hope that that's not Enzo tied to the chair. I know we all had 'turn characters black' in our bingo cards but I don't think Enzo was on the valot.

Still not crazy about it. It's got so many ups and downs. Good ideas not executed well. For example, the part where they're all shooting at the wall and Dante is shooting at it next to them. 'What are we shooting at?' That's a good idea but this is more Peter Parker humor than Dante. If I had to do the gag, gun to the head, I'd have Dante appear in between all of them or next to the team leader asking 'what are you shooting at?' It's not great but I think this has more of a Dante vibe than what they did. When he flicked that dude, again, great idea but I just don't find the they way they did it to be that well done.

Some of this comes off like Bugs Bunny hijinks. I mean, there's is a lot of cartoonish elements here. Why have the screeching tire effect with the cue ball? Just shoot it. I don't know, have it rip through the edge of the pool table if you want to add more than just the shoot. Also, if you listen, when Dante takes the coat from I-hope-it's-not-Enzo they put in an silly spinning sound. That was an oy vey moment, if ever.

I know that this is supposed to be a reference to the opening scene of the light novel but this scene is rather disjointed. It feels rushed in places and like it drags in others. I am probably going to be bitching a lot tomorrow.

 

[Morgan]

This was supervised by Itsuno and the man was given access to things no one outside of capcom has ever seen, like the 3rd volume of the manga. He knows.

I wasn't talking about Itsuno, though. I said FANS actually knowing that detail requires they (the fans) look at outside media, and I'm 100% correct on that. No Western fan immediately looked at DMC3 Dante in 2005 and clocked him as "Oh, he's specifically modeled after a Japanese boyband member" unless they already knew about Japanese boybands of the time or read of it/learned from someone who knew. He would just come across as a rocker with an emo hairstyle.

People? I was talking about the people making the show not the general audience.

And I was talking about the general audience. Like I said, fans.

The people making the show know the history of the games and if this studio is a Japanese anime studio then their associations are Japanese.

Studio Mir is South Korean and the studio is responsible for The Legend of Korra and The Witcher animated series. It's basically "fake anime". (Sure, some Japanese anime also outsource things to nearby countries but not to this extent.)

If not the big wigs at least the animators. At the very least the director picked that over this and, looking at his choice of music, Bieber is not someone he thinks about a lot.

The director doesn't think about DMC3 Dante being modeled after a Japanese rocker either, which is the point I'm making. He's throwing a sh!tton of "Americanisms" at Dante like he read the DMC1 booklet of "Dante being a mercenary living in Modern America" and the prop of a mummified Yoda in the office and whatever other details he felt like and then blanked out the rest, and *fans* (people who claimed they were such when they wanted to hate the reboot) are suddenly now okay with some Westerner throwing out the Japanese quirks of the games they grew up with in favor of appealing specifically to American sensibilities, when the last non-Japanese guy said Capcom wanted the game they were in charge of to "appeal to the West" and these "fans" cried foul.

Fans didn't require things to specifically pander to every single aspect of their culture for them to find familiarity in it and like it, and the director's notion of what constitutes "something being Eastern" and "something being Western" and treating them as mutually exclusive is dumb.

I honestly don't think so. I think that didn't even enter their minds. From what I see the man probably got details from Capcom and saw that they placed DMC3 in the 00s and he just went with it.

Placing DMC3 in the 00s when DMC1 released in 2001 (and Dante was living in "modern" America) is the second worst thing yet concerning the timeline (the first worst is 3142 magically turning into 31245). And it still contradicts whatever Itsuno said about the prior games (at least 1, 2, and 3) taking place in the 80s just because he didn't want to address laptops and cellphones. The F is going on, lmao.

Kamiya was once interviewed about DMC1 and they asked him about Dante's info and he said he didn't want to reveal such things because it would detract from the mystery of the character. An unspecified age and origin is more intriguing.

Kamiya is on record saying he wanted Dante to be "witty like a British guy", "a fighting gentleman", and "similar age to Space Adventurer Cobra", plus the detail about him living in "Modern America" and Drew Coombs having a copy of the draft script where Dante was around 23. Kamiya gave details, and what little he gave were enough to capture Dante's coolness because in execution Dante was a fully actualized adult that didn't have to be a tryhard to be cool, he shrugged off getting impaled and shot away a motorcycle lobbed at him.

Kamiya is undeniably Japanese. His idea of "Western cool" was filtered through his experiences and was not lost on a Western audience back in 2001, so it's really telling that people hyped up for this anime are being (and have been) appeased by a version of Dante who's a loser.

I see nothing from this that says these people understand the concept. They plastered it all over the place like it was the main theme and it's adding a flavor to the narrative that I don't care for. I swear, if 9/11 is a big part of it I might slam myself against something.

The USA continues to have brainworms about 9/11 (especially the MCU) and this show has MCU humor as well as Wannabe MCU humor (Dante saving people in the diner in the middle of an explosion === the Quicksilver scene from the Fox X-Men: Apocalypse movie) so I'm not getting my hopes up.

Sure. And Bayonetta looks like Sarah Palin. These are true statements. I'm not saying they don't look it, I'm saying the original designs were from a Japanese boy bad, shirtless coat and everything. Yeah, Justin Bieber had the same haircut but I'm sure we can rule him out as an artistic inspiration for DMC3.

I don't get what it is you're not getting.

Western Fans wouldn't know Dante was modeled after a specifically Japanese boyband member back in 2005. They registered him as a "punk rocker with his chest out and emo hair" and still think that's the best Dante of all time (enough that Capcom keeps mining and miming DMC3 in new entries to the series). None of what Dante exhibited were *so* exclusive to Japan and completely divorced from American interests so much that an "Americanized Dante" needed to have this square jawline, wear a shirt, and all this other nonsense, unless you're trying to will into existence a notion that Western rock or punk has never ever had shirtless, youthful, or even androgynous frontmen or that Western fans didn't find appeal in any of these things, which is a categorically false assertion.

Funny thing. People in Japan were told that in the West people were saying Bayonetta looked like Sarah Palin and they didn't know who that was. They did, however, mention that in Japan they were comparing her to Japanese singer, Angela Aki.

That is literally my point. Fans that don't know the foreign reference of a character's design (regardless of how true it is!) will liken the character to something they do know from their own culture. They don't know what they don't know. It being foreign doesn't lessen the appeal to them if the character stands on their own as amazing and their appeal isn't solely "the character is similar to another thing, please make the connection and attribute positive values to our product", because if that is the sole appeal, it will fall flat to those that can't make the connection. You've made this point yourself before. What's not clicking?

DMC1 Dante having a relatively tan skin tone and white hair is a typical Japanese/anime trope to signify his otherworldly identity and demonic nature. American fans didn't clock Dante as "This is too Japanese for me to get" or his skin-hair contrast as any statement on real-world genetics, they saw "Oh, he has white hair, he must be special" and by his name and the reference to Dante Alighieri they extrapolated that Dante is descended from Italians/is an Italian-American and called it a day and enjoyed the damn game. What's happening now is total bull.

If a new Bayonetta anime came out from someone in the West and they decided "We need to remove Japanese elements" and Bayonetta looked like a cross between Sarah Palin and Tulsi Gabbard, was given a frumpy dress because they determined that the bodysuit was "too Japanese", filled the soundtrack solely with slow 60s love songs or 60s pop music (just because of Fly Me To The Moon and nothing else), but kept the glasses and magic to still be recognizable, and people claiming to be "fans of Bayonetta" hollered that "this director understood the assignment" and that this is the exact Bayonetta they wanted to see, that would be the exact same issue.

That's a Japan thing. Game developers are still chasing that US dollar. It is the largest consumer of video games.

China is the largest consumer and US follows at second place, but go off.

I saw. I hope that that's not Enzo tied to the chair. I know we all had 'turn characters black' in our bingo cards but I don't think Enzo was on the valot.

You have this really weird definition of Black that needs to be studied.

I thought you meant he got turned Morrison black, but all this possibly-Enzo guy is is "not super white". He's an olive-toned Italian in the same way DMC1 Dante wasn't automatically black just because he wasn't pure albino/the pasty face he becomes in 3 and onward.

The man in the chair is more likely to be Enzo than not because they're referencing the Viewtiful Joe gag of "Enzo stole Dante's clothes to look like him (and that's why DMC2 happened!)" as part of the lame canon kitchen sink they're aiming for.

Some of this comes off like Bugs Bunny hijinks. I mean, there's is a lot of cartoonish elements here. Why have the screeching tire effect with the cue ball? Just shoot it.

Saturday Morning Cartoon goofiness and MCU humor exactly like I said.

 

[DoomSlayer87_Sss]

Time to see what it is like i guess, 8 episodes up of half an hour each.

Edit
Action is good, but they have made some really weird changes to backstories already especially lady enzo and arkham.

It is very unsettling, makes me worry about other characters. Also there are a lot of nods to the reboot even in the first episode which ye will see too.

 

[berto]

Holy hell, what an awful piece of crap. I gotta cleanse my soul so please bare with me while I rant.

By the way, If you liked this thing, that's fine. No one's telling you to hate it and I'm not telling you to hate it. Feel free to say so and why. If there is a definitive tone going on don't feel like you have to keep your opinion to yourself. Either way, feel free to say what you want. Me, on the other hand, hated this and will equally say so and why.

With that being said, I am stating a rule. If you like it and the person you're talking to doesn't, or vice versa, state so and move on. Once you see this turning into an argument just let it go and move on. This is not worth fighting over.

So. Where to even begin... Some would say the beginning is a good place to start but they can go to hell, I think in this case some general thoughts and some positives (spoilers by the way) would be good, so as to not just be all negative. And there are positives.

Actually, I have the same issues I've had with Castlevania. There are some sincerely great elements on display, brilliant, even, but they are hunkered down but absolute garbage everywhere else. There is the occasional action bit that sticks out being pretty badass and I like that Dante is not all absolute with his ass kicking and struggles in places. Just waltzing around and winning is boring and has made Dante a less interesting character. Smaller things, like how guns fall apart when Dante uses them or how he used the bike as a weapon on the freeway. I liked that music video episode. I just did.

On the middle side of things, I don't like most of the voice acting. The actors are fine. Most of them are great, in fact. Lady, Dante and the VP are very well acted, and that's saying something because I really think everyone was good. It's the actual dialogue and direction that is so bad it makes me roll my eyes. The Latin dub has a great cast, too, but, it doesn't matter the language, all the minor characters are just goofy. The animation is all over the place. When it's good it's damn good, when it's not it's... there. I don't know how else to describe it. It's passable but not memorable in the least. The animation reminds me of some of the more experimental Chinese and Korean animes. It's not just the animation, it's the flow, the tempo and the way they frame things. It's not bad but it's got a lot of ups and downs (edit- Turns out Mir Studio is south Korean, it wasn't just my imagination). The better experience is always with the ones that are constant.

So, yeah, there are good things, I'm sure I there's more I forgot. Even so, I just can't. When you get down to it, this was dumb, and in a good way.

I don't know, am I asking too much? Is it one of those things where you see one thing but everyone else sees another? Do I have weird standards? It's not the first time I've unironically loved/hated something others didn't. I saw a few reviews on YT and they're all super happy with this. I go here and there and it's the same thing. I'm not expecting Titus Andronicus here but when I see people being so happy with it I can't help but wonder things.

Starting with the biggest please stop moment for me, the America bad theme of the show. This song is so overplayed it's annoying, now. So many flags, so many US soldiers doing the evil. How profound. I had slash have the same issue with DmC. I don't want a politically charged message from you lot. Getting philosophical or trying install or trying provoke a deeper thought than shoot bang and boom is never a bad thing, if you do it right. Political opinions as blatant as this aren't. Who approved a president to look like that? He looks and sounds like Boondocks character. I meant that literally. I think they got the same voice actor that did those voices. It's not borderline anymore, it's downright parody. The show constantly breaks its earnestness with dumb things like this and it's disbarring. The tone is all over the place. If this was joke, it was not a very fitting one, if it was serious then the show has deeper issues.

I pretty much knew what I was in for from Ep. 1. Not only is the presentation odd but the narrative has no logic. Some things just happened to be edgy. For example, why, when Darkcor learns that they need to find a devil hunter to stop White Rabbit, did they kidnap, assault and mistreat said devil hunters? They're on the same side! If you called and told then the situation they'd probably cooperate with you, smile and all. Even if the VP turns out to been evil this whole time, the squad should've not been so eager to hurt those who do the same thing as them and the VP should've kept up appearances but if they'd done that they would've missed an opportunity to show them being hard asses, even if it made no sense. By the way, absolute waste and misuse of Lucia. It's also very predictable. There are no surprises, really. Reveals but nothing that shocking. When that guy shakes Dante's hand we know he's going to try something, we know the VP is the bad one, we know the plot twists. I suppose a show doesn't need twists but being predictable isn't great.

The characters can all be bad at times but it's the original characters that suffer the most. Enzo looks so awful. I know they can't make him look like his Bayonetta counterpart but this one is pretty terrible. Dante doing embarrassing dances with a hat is now a thing, it seems. There is a skeleton of a good story for Dante but he is just not cool. I know they want him to be this but his dialogue is not bueno, like, at all, and it made the whole journey with him so awful at times. As for Lady? Stop Fkng Swearing! It doesn't make you come off as though, strong, hard or bad ass. She is juvenile and incredibly cringy. I hate that word but if it fits then so it is. This is the worse use of swearing in the whole series. I've made no secret that I'm against it not because it bad words, who cares, but because they can't seem to pull it off right. Castlevania did it poorly but Lady is just atrocious at it. Again, what a waste of Lucia. And why does everyone have to spit? I get that it's another form of FU but once was enough. The issue, the way I'll describe it, is that the original characters are not in the spirit of their game counterparts. These are original takes and reimaginings of the characters, which happens, but then for a few of them, their look is the only trait that is the same. Their personalities are janked and if they had been replaced by another character leaving everything except their appearance and name intact we wouldn't recognize them. Yeah, Dante is hard to miss, but everyone else, they're not them.

With the narrative comes this stupid refugee thing. It's been going on since The Matrix and it's become tiresome. If you think about it, making the show explain demonic powers as technology that simply looks medieval and that demons are an offshoot of humans from a parallel dimension this is now actually a science fiction. Lovely. Just awesome. Anyway, what is the deal with trying to make every evil thing 'just misunderstood and oppressed because we don't look like you'? It's ok to let evil things be evil. This is a narrative. It's worked for centuries, and this isn't.

Anyway, I'll be here forever if I list everything so I just wanted to vent.

Spoiler: It's how it is now.

And I was talking about the general audience.

Ok, then we're talking about different things. Let's leave it at that, then.

China is the largest consumer and US follows at second place, but go off.

Yeah, but China has extraneous censorship laws and high demands of any media going into their borders. They don't allow anything reflecting the afterlife, for example. Things have to be changed to their specifications or they won't allow them in. Disney is famous for altering their material to cater to China and China hasn't been in the mass video game space for that long.

You have this really weird definition of Black that needs to be studied.

He had dreads and a dark complexion. Nothing of him was show before this so pardon.

 

[Morgan]

It says so much that the director wanted to make this anime to keep the IP out of the hands of "Hollywood jabronis" and it turns out this is THE biggest peddling of Hollywood jabroni fare including the politics featured in the media to attack the director's personal boogeymen and shill a self-insert OC in some capacity, and the obsessive need to turn everything into a vehicle for American exceptionalism (America excels even in evil, hence Lady is a cop), and turn everything magic into science with its very own version of "vampires are afraid of right angles".

The whole "humans are the real monsters" moral is whatever to me, since Lady was saying exactly that in the third game straight to the player's face, and the series is incredibly blatant in showing more human villains and good demons than actual evil demons and good humans worth a damn—DMC2's villain was a Billionaire CEO and DMC4's villain was literally The Catholic Church and The Pope treating Sparda as if he were Christ—but that this anime managed to fumble even that is disappointing but expected.

Yeah, but China has extraneous censorship laws and high demands of any media going into their borders. They don't allow anything reflecting the afterlife, for example. Things have to be changed to their specifications or they won't allow them in. Disney is famous for altering their material to cater to China and China hasn't been in the mass video game space for that long.

That doesn't change what I said and actually makes my point. Disney being willing to jump through hoops to cater to China is because China has enough money to matter, even though US distributors/studios take a 50% share of revenue from ticket sales in US theaters but only take a 25% share of Chinese revenue when selling those same movies overseas. China has a bigger population than the US by over 4x and a strong cultural identity to support their domestic movie markets (85% of their revenue) and video game markets. The Chinese playerbase numbers at half a billion (literally more than the whole US population) and their one country makes up over a quarter of global games revenue, with their companies having enough pull financially (Tencent) or developmentally (MiHoYo, NetEase, Game Science) that the Western corporations want to receive (or are already receiving, see: Epic Games, Riot, Larian) Chinese money while China has the liberty to restrict imports in entertainment and media and plays sidequests with the E&M market, and more importantly, gamers themselves do not care. All you said about Chinese censorship does not matter to the non-Chinese who are unaffected by that and are balls deep into Genshin Impact, Honkai Star Rail, Zenless Zone Zero, Valorant, League of Legends, etc, and they will willingly open their wallets for whatever new game they don't mind is being financed by Tencent (Baldur's Gate 3, Alan Wake, etc). They do NOT care.

And that's just how the US is looking for China's approval. Japan also doesn't care about Chinese censorship etc. if it doesn't affect its people and businesses. Capcom licensed the DMC brand to NebulaJoy and people were so thirsty for DMC content that Peak of Combat even had fans excited for that garbage. Fans ignored that Lady's heterochromia was changed to red and gold to resemble the Chinese flag.

He had dreads and a dark complexion. Nothing of him was show before this so pardon.

The dreads were obviously the wig that looks like a literal mop head, not the dude's natural hair. Somehow the thugs fell for it—even though Dante has never rocked dreads—just because the hair color was vaguely the same and he had the coat and guns (sounds like a commentary on the fandom, lol). Like, I'm not gonna watch the show, and that's a dumb MCU gag, but you gotta be better than the Tumblr logic of "he's not white = he's black".

 

[AngelEyes]

It's easy to point fingers at Netflix and the showrunners but I'm not sure what Capcom was thinking (yet again) with this "adaptation". Yet more incomprehensible garbage that somebody signed off on like the constant stream of slurry Resident Evil projects that keep coming out. The Arkham and Lady stuff is especially dumbfounding. Once again the property is treated as the foundation for some hack to put their own stupid ideas into, which ironically is the exact same thing that has happened with videogame scripts since the dark ages of Street Fighter and Super Mario. Why aren't we long passed that by now?

 

[DoomSlayer87_Sss]

Phew , i can relax now as i am not the only fan who thought the changes to lady and arkham were sh*t, a lot of the narrative choices and changes to backstory were. Oh ya the amulets send out a radio signal that blocks the demon world smh.

Also while i get fan service at times, they just shoehorned in boss enemies from 3 other games set after the timeframe this dante is meant to be from. Agni and Rudra also have heads now and are london gangsters. It is both laughably cringe and sad at the same time.

Dante was pretty good apart from some silly parts, but the only star of the show for me was the action. In that regard it was really good.

 

[V's patron]

I'm still early in the show but I'm enjoying it. I just see it as a good show and a large improvement over the last anime. I don't mind most of the changes as they added something the series lacked or smoothed over a gap the games.

Although I'd probably keep Arkham as a villian and tone down the technobabble in the first 4 episodes. Have Fischer's statements be a theory than fact. Plus Lucia's cameo could've been better or just cut.

I've seen on a lot of Marvel and DC adaptations so I've been used to "Spirit of the law" style adaptations. And I felt this one did a better job capturing the spirit of the games than the last one which just captured the aesthetic but made everything dull.

A new story with a largely new cast would've been preferable. DMC has a case of the week style structure but never really pulled it off last time. So this anime could've corrected it.

 

[DoomSlayer87_Sss]

I have just decided to think of it like a fanfiction with original ideas, and keep it as far away from canon lore as possible.

Action was the highlight, story was serviceable and lacked weight. I am all for trying your own approach to things, but this was too far removed.

 

[berto]

I'm not sure what Capcom was thinking (yet again) with this "adaptation"

My theory is that they put their trust on those working on the project. For DmC, Inafune pushed to have it made, but for this anime, Itsuno was supervising and he had to have had some form of control. At the very least he's left his seal of approval. He's gone on record to say that he was proud of his work on DmC.

It's easy to point fingers at Netflix

Well, that's because this it's happened with Netflix before. The anime for Castlevania has similar issues. That show is nothing like the games. There are characters with similar roles and names but their positions in the world and how the story goes are all very different. He told us that this was the same thing, that it was going to be as different from the games as Castlevania is. Just didn't realise it was going to be as foul mouth, overly gory and hit or miss with the humor. Other Netflix adaptations seem to have similar complaints. I think the most famous example is the whole of The Witcher and Cowboy Bebop, but, generally, Netflix adaptations are famous for 'missing the point.' One Piece was such a success because the makers went out of their way to not miss the point, involving the manga author in the production.

london gangsters

Scotts, I think.

the amulets send out a radio signal that blocks the demon world smh.

Yeah, the entire show's use of science seems like complete and absolute BS. You know, there are a lot of shows that show their quality by how legit their science is. Their subject matter could be completely outlandish, like Fringe, but because they use real and fitting science they are lebated to a higher standard. Futurama has real science. Star Trek famously was in contact with MIT to have theirs fact checked. There are entire anime series based on science, like Cells at Work. I thought we were at a point where just adding quantum to a sentence was not going to be enough.

I have just decided to think of it like a fanfiction with original ideas, and keep it as far away from canon lore as possible.

That is exactly what it is. You can really take it or leave it.


Intervie with the two leads and director, if anyone's interested.

you gotta be better than the Tumblr logic of "he's not white = he's black".

If you're looking for an apology you're not getting one. In fact, at this point I'm going to tell you do not reply to me again. I'm passing this over to another mod because I'm done.

 

[DoomSlayer87_Sss]

Scotts, I think.

Ah okay, well either way it was just odd to me ha ha

Yeah, the entire show's use of science seems like complete and absolute BS. You know, there are a lot of shows that show their quality by how legit their science is. Their subject matter could be completely outlandish, like Fringe, but because they use real and fitting science they are lebated to a higher standard. Futurama has real science. Star Trek famously was in contact with MIT to have theirs fact checked. There are entire anime series based on science, like Cells at Work. I thought we were at a point where just adding quantum to a sentence was not going to be enough.


That is exactly what it is. You can really take it or leave it

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Ya the explanations and science stuff took away from the whole concept of the demon world, and why and how sparda closed it entirely. I mean they even took out lady's blood being needed. It is so stupid, that essentially a strong enough signal dampner could be created and negate the amulets field by that logic.

 

[berto]

I mean they even took out lady's blood being needed.

They took out Lady, period. The woman they replaced her with is downright awful. She has her moments of levity but as someone on 4chan pointed out we went from this:

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To this:

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Ah okay, well either way it was just odd to me ha ha

Well, yeah. I guess that really is not the pont. But, this is what I mean when I say the show lacks logic. I mean, the heads look like Japanese Nio statues and they sound either cogni or scottish. What are they going for?

Makai is something I've heard before, too, by the way. It's the Japanese name of the underworld in some video games. I don't remember my Japanese myth as well as I used to but I googled it and it is from real Japanese folklore. It means evil world. Not the afterlife per se but the real of evil things.

 

[DoomSlayer87_Sss]

Yep they made lady unrecognisable , and not to mention

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the out of character and weird changes to vergil, who is not mind controlled now and a very willing participant

 

[V's patron]

I still like the season but the ending with Lady fell flat.

I'd rank it a 7 out of 10. It's a solid show that did a better job capturing the spirit of games but would've been better served with a completely new cast.