Shouldn't we DMC fans be grateful about DmC instead of acting like it was something unwanted?

[V's patron]

That... is entirely up for debate, since I could write a retcon fixing the storyline right now (in fact, I've written a vague outline of it in the past) and people will still disagree with it.

For example, people still can't accept the fact that Nero is Vergil's son even though it was in the novel and in the official DMC art book.

Not saying they're wrong, but maybe that's why Capcom decided to say "**** it," and just redo the whole thing over again since fans would have complained anyway, only on a (slightly) smaller scale.

And not even that much smaller, since the amount of people who complain about Nero being Vergil's son are more-or-less the same amount that complain about DmC.

That's my estimate from my own personal experience, anyway. I can't give stats because it would be nearly impossible to do. The best I could do is give a link to a thread complaining about Nero, and that just wouldn't be enough for most people.

I understand since thats the nature of things but i guess for me , i just think people were more upset that they couldnt get the resolution they were hoping for.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Your just reading to much into all my posts simply because as you said in this very post i'm quoting, you basically do not like me at all and think my motives are "insidious".

So whenever I do make a post you immediately will think that, as i have said countless times in other threads before I do not have a problem with you, and if you have one with me then simply add me to your ignore list since you very well know how all of our conversations ends.

As I pointed out in the past, the sig was a joke that was made to poke fun at the fans freaking out over the reboot. So really it would be more in defense of DmC then against it since I thought some of the fans around the web where going to far with the freaking out over it.

And my member title is just something I never bothered to change, I did not think it was a big deal and that I would would receive heat for it. Especially considering I have already given my opinion on DmC and even said I enjoyed it which should be taken into account before people just judge me based solely upon little things like my sig and member title.

Ok. I'll just say "I believe everything you say," since that's obviously the only answer you will accept and will immediately accuse others of bias whenever they see something they disagree with in your posts.

So go ahead and take the last word. I honestly don't even mind.

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Nothing you say should be questioned. Your motives are pure. You don't take any crack shots at DmC.

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There.

 

[V's patron]

No, it wouldn't. It would've been the best game ever. With an expertly written story, and featuring more than three melee weapons this time around.

Oh, and they also wouldn't have ruined Vergil (any more than they already have, I mean) in any way whatsoever. ^_^

:devil:

 

[ToCool74]

Ok. I believe everything you say, since that's obviously the only answer you will accept and will immediately accuse others of bias whenever they see something they disagree with in your posts.

So go ahead and take the last word. I honestly don't even mind.

Your the one who accused me of having "insidious" motives and got all sarcastic with me about a post that I did not even direct towards you.

Its not me calling you bias or getting mad that you disagree with me, feel free to do just that, all that I ask is that you show me the same respect I show you.

I thought your post was very reasonable (not to try to kiss up to you ). However, I do think your subtitle 'Proud DmC skeptic' can incite hatred and disbelief. It's probably the reason why some might react badly to certain comments. Besides, DmC itself is by no means a terrible game, but one might get the impression that's how you feel due to that subtitle. Just some advice - I know you didn't ask for it, so I apologize.

Fine I will change it, I thought my positive opinion on the game in the DmC review topic I posted would be enough, but apparently some people will read to much into it.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[Demi-fiend]

However, I do think your subtitle 'Proud DmC skeptic' can incite hatred and disbelief. It's probably the reason why some might react badly to certain comments. Just some advice - I know you didn't ask for it, so I apologize.

Why, thank you, Lionheart. Perhaps I should have worded it in this way.

But I do think that even if I did, I honestly don't think I would have gotten a better reaction.

So, I'll just do the decent thing right now and apologize to ToCool:

I'm sorry about my posts. I could've worded them better.

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Edit:

Hooray! You changed your subtitle.

I mean, the quotation marks could be taken as sarcasm, but still, yay!

 

[ToCool74]

Why, thank you, Lionheart. Perhaps I should have worded it in this way.

But I do think that even if I did, I honestly don't think I would have gotten a better reaction.

So, I'll just do the decent thing right now and apologize to ToCool:

I'm sorry about my posts. I could've worded them better.

You could have done without the bolded part in my opinion, but apology accepted.

 

[Lionheart]

But I do think that even if I did, I honestly don't think I would have gotten a better reaction.

You never know unless you try, right? And if you did respond like that, you can always say you tried. Anyway, back to the topic, I suppose.

 

[ToCool74]

I mean, the quotation marks could be taken as sarcasm, but still, yay!

Those are there to emphasize that I'm fair since people may still take offense to the skeptic part.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Those are there to emphasize that I'm fair since people may still take offense to the skeptic part.

Well, I'm glad we cleared that up then. Emphasis, not sarcasm. Understood.

 

[Lionheart]

Edit:

Hooray! You changed your subtitle.

I mean, the quotation marks could be taken as sarcasm, but still, yay!

Yeah, it seems people keep using quotation marks incorrectly - no offense to ToCool, as it's a mistake easily made. I see it happen a lot, just like making the words 'a lot' one word: 'alot', which isn't an actual word, just like 'astrawberry' isn't a word. We should probably use the asterisk in these cases: *fair* DmC Skeptic. Otherwise, italicization, I guess.

Grammar nazi, sorry

 

[Demi-fiend]

We should probably use the asterisk in these cases: *fair* DmC Skeptic.

Yeah, that might be better, but I don't think it would be considered wise to push my luck any further -- not for the moment, anyway. :lol:

Grammar nazi sorry

I hear that. Long live the Grammar Nazis.

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Edit:

See, why do we even argue? Can't we just both agree that DmC was "just ok" and that some of it's better ideas...

-- like continuing combo chains with "changing weapons", for instance -- in previous installments, you had to start the combo over every time you changed your weapon --

-- and put ideas like that in DMC5? Or have the faster combat in DMC4 make its way into DmC2 and have that game go straight to the Vita?

Or maybe even use the concept of Limbo in turn-based rpg type battle screens instead of having the screen fade to black first and then giving you a completely different background?

This way, the background changes in real time.

The temen-ni-gru tower scene (after Mission 13) is another good example on how it could be used effectively.

 

[DarkSlayerZero]

Opinions are divided on that. I think he could definitely be fleshed out more, but was he 'ass'? Not in my view. I can see why you think that, though, and I'm not saying you're wrong. I actually almost agree.

He's cold, silent and does not place much value on demons' lives. He tries to be more like his father, or so he believes. In reality, I think he'd rather ignore the fact that Sparda was loving and wasn't at all obsessed with gaining power as Vergil is. He is the antithesis to Dante. Anyway, that's not what this thread is about, so let's get back to the topic.

The good ol anime cliches

 

[Demi-fiend]

The good ol anime cliches

Oh yeah, and maybe explore a little more into everyone's character in DMC5, as well? That way, no one would complain about said cliches.

 

[Chancey289]

How DMC series was written. ^

 

[ToCool74]

How DMC series was written. ^

I'll give you 3 and 4, but not the entire series.

DMC1 was more influenced by western culture than japanese.

And 2 had very little if any at all anime cliches in it.

 

[Demi-fiend]

How DMC series was written. ^

While I liked your post, I think this just might add fuel to the fire (still hilarious, though).

 

[Lionheart]

The good ol anime cliches

That's not necessarily a bad thing. Besides, I haven't seen that many characters exactly like Vergil, so it depends on how much anime you watch how bad you think it is. Besides, the DMC games are all about clichés, and it's fun. I find Vergil to be an about evenly well-developed character as many of the characters in today's games. There are so many of those stereotypes: the sensitive child, the butch ass-kicking man (GoW), the femme fatale, the funny black man, etc etc. It's good, hackneyed or not.

 

[Chancey289]

I'll give you 3 and 4, but not the entire series.

DMC1 was more influenced by western culture than japanese.

And 2 had very little if any at all anime cliches in it.

Yea. More so 3 and 4 because the spirit of DMC 1 is what I still love the most to this day.

 

[Demi-fiend]

That's not necessarily a bad thing.

I'll admit to enjoying anime cliches from time to time.

Besides, I haven't seen that many characters exactly like Vergil, so it depends on how much anime you watch how bad you think it is.

Personally, I think Vergil is rather comparable to Melfice, Lan-Di, Sephiroth (kind of -- the aesthetic and general cold personality, anyway), and maybe even a hint of General Zod. That's just from my perspective, however.

I know some of those examples aren't anime, but still, it's a "power" cliche, imho.

 

[Chancey289]

Vergil couldn't fill a more generic spot in this cast of characters.