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New Vergil or Devil May Cry 3 Vergil?

Chancey289 said:
Innsmouth is freaking hopeless. I hope one day you see how much industrial grade stupid you've been leaking through this forum and start knocking some smarts in to yourself. Preferably with a big thick dictionary to the face.
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Well it's funny coming with someone with 13-years old mentality ;)
 
Pyroblade said:
I already covered that. Vergil probably killed Arkham because he had become a demon and was obviously up to no good. I'd say Vergil realized that Arkham was dangerous when he gripped the Yamato and went down the blade. Now, either Vergil intended for Arkham to receive his Devil Trigger and become Jester (so that they could get it over with), or he actually wanted to kill him. But since all demons get a Devil Trigger, I'd assume Vergil knew he would live. Call it Vergil's way of punching him in the face to knock him out cold.

Why would it matter that he punches the head of a corpse? It's literally dead meat. Maybe he lacks respect for Beowulf, but that doesn't mean Vergil is completely heartless.
And Beowulf was dangerous. Beowulf was made to kill. He intended to kill Sparda's sons, so I think that justifies killing him. It's self-defense... at some point, Beowulf would've come after Vergil, and he would have to kill him. Why waste time? Why not kill him right there? I think that's Vergil's reasoning.

Like I said, I didn't mean Vergil was honorable per se, just that he didn't kill humans or demons that didn't mean any harm. He could've killed Lady or Arkham at any point. Heck, he could've even killed Dante before he got so far up the tower. So he's not necessarily honorable, just... not insanely immoral like new Vergil.
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Vergil kill Arkham and just desecrated a fallen enemies corpse and this stuff is being compared to Lillith's death like it's any different and I'm just gonna use your logic right here for it.

You called both Arkham and Beowulf dangerous enemies that are potentially capable in harming Vergil in one way or another. Why is Lillith any different from that description?

She still is a great danger to Vergil and his entire goal to sieze the thrown. Like Vergil told Dante. "Such weapons can win the battle but not the war."

It's because Vergil was thinking ahead and tactically. Lilith is basically carrying demon baby Hitler inside of her that has a bright future of demonic ruling and stuff in front of him thanks to Daddy's inheritance and he also attempted to kill Dante so physically he can even pose a threat. Just because it wasn't at that particular moment that doesn't mean crap. I mean, the original Vergil does sneak kill a defenseless Arkham so it's pretty much the same grounds right? The smartest thing to do is to take the surprise shot when no one was expecting it and look what happened? He made himself one step closer in reaching his goal. He got rid of a future Mundus and succeeded in getting him more angry which was needed to take down the Hell Gate. It's the bigger picture you have to view and the whole point.

And when you get right down to it, I see no reason to give sympathy for Lilith and her ugly f#cking shut of a kid in the first place.
 
Calm down everyone. This argument has taken up like what, 3 pages already? Both of you have your points and I see where both of you are coming from. Beowulf trying to kill Vergil and Arkham taking Sparda's power, yeah it's a threat to Vergil. Punching Beowulf's corpse? It's demon scum. The scum that killed his mother and made him alone in life. I see no reason to not show a demon corpse respect. And the abortion. It's not morally wrong to kill demon baby Hitler. Sure, Lilith was helpless but again, demon scum. We'd have a future Mundus except a spoiled minature brat. Just shoot the damn thing. It was a threat to humanity's future. Vergil is a logical thinker. And when I say logic, I mean "Hmmm, evil baby demon Hitler and her mother both vulnerable to my gun. Should I shoot them? Well of course I should! That thing's exsistence is a threat to me ruling the universe BWHAHAHAHA".
 
To the dudes that think New Vergil is immoral, here's a funfact

Old Vergil was originally intended to be an immoral asshole, he killed kids and old people.
 
Chancey289 said:
Innsmouth is freaking hopeless. I hope one day you see how much industrial grade stupid you've been leaking through this forum and start knocking some smarts in to yourself. Preferably with a big thick dictionary to the face.
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I'm not going to reply here anymore, but I just wanted to tell you you come across as a total d*ck. Even if Innsmouth were wrong about everything, there's no need to go make fun of him or anything like that. Have some respect. Seriously... how old are you? Ten? Certainly seems Innsmouth is right about your behavior, anyway. Now go have a cold shower or something, because nobody on this forum should even care. This is a hopeless debate, whether you are wrong or somebody else is. Let's just do something else.
 
DarkSlayerZero said:
To the dudes that think New Vergil is immoral, here's a funfact

Old Vergil was originally intended to be an immoral asshole, he killed kids and old people.
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How is that relevant, though? That doesn't make new Vergil moral, and it doesn't make old Vergil immoral either. It's a nice fun fact indeed, but otherwise it's not relevant. Anyway, I don't think the thread is supposed to go on about this subject like this... most people don't really care anyway... better to talk about something productive.
 
Blue_Rose said:
THANK YOU! He is logical. He IS NOT immoral.

But...when did he kill a kid?
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I find killing a defenseless demon (no matter how evil) pretty immoral. Every being has a right to live, except if they directly threaten your life and your only choice is to kill them.
Also, her baby was killed too, right? So... double homicide. Has nothing to do with logic.
 
Pyroblade said:
How is that relevant, though? That doesn't make new Vergil moral, and it doesn't make old Vergil immoral either. It's a nice fun fact indeed, but otherwise it's not relevant. Anyway, I don't think the thread is supposed to go on about this subject like this... most people don't really care anyway... better to talk about something productive.
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Old vergil isn't some holier than thou type like people are claiming when comparing his actions.
 
Pyroblade said:
I find killing a defenseless demon (no matter how evil) pretty immoral. Every being has a right to live, except if they directly threaten your life and your only choice is to kill them.
Also, her baby was killed too, right? So... double homicide. Has nothing to do with logic.
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But to him, this was the demon scum that killed his mother, tortured his father, gave his bro a hard time, and are conrolling the public masses. By logic, if getting in the way of his future sovereignity was a threat, then he'd get rid of it. Vergil isn't a sentimental person. You'd think working with Kat for so long would make them close. But no, she was a tool. Logic.
 
DarkSlayerZero said:
Old vergil isn't some holier than thou type like people are claiming when comparing his actions.
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No, I don't think anybody claimed he is. But the fact is he didn't kill anyone he didn't need to kill in DMC3. Tried to kill (possibly) Arkham because he was obviously planning some terrible stuff, and he had lost his potential to Vergil to help him with his 'dark arts'. Vergil only let Arkham live because he was useful to him... but he knew Arkham was a direct threat to his and possibly every human's life. So he waited until he had no more use for him, then attacked him. Though it's also possible he wanted Arkham to gain a Devil Trigger so that they could get it over with. He didn't exactly seem surprised when he saw Arkham again, after all.
 
DarkSlayerZero said:
Back when he was canon, Gilver killed jessica although he didn't directly do it, Gilver showing up was like a match lighting a fuse, everything had happened can be traced back to him showing up outta nowhere.
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Indirectly. I don't think Vergil would kill a child directly.
 
Blue_Rose said:
But to him, this was the demon scum that killed his mother, tortured his father, gave his bro a hard time, and are conrolling the public masses. By logic, if getting in the way of his future sovereignity was a threat, then he'd get rid of it. Vergil isn't a sentimental person. You'd think working with Kat for so long would make them close. But no, she was a tool. Logic.
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If Vergil is not a sentimental person, why would it matter that this demon killed his mother and tortured his father and all that? That's a contradiction.

Though I agree, new Vergil obviously has no regard for life. Which is why I say he is immoral. Killing a person just because he/she might get in the way of his future sovereignty is pretty insane. Killing defenseless organisms is always wrong. Hell, this even applies to small creatures like ants. We have no right to extinguish their lives.
 
@Pyroblade

The sword stabbing thing would only work with Dante/Vergil because Yamato and Rebellion were physical manifestations of their power. And Arkham doesn't need DT. There's Jester.
 
Pyroblade said:
I'm not going to reply here anymore, but I just wanted to tell you you come across as a total d*ck. Even if Innsmouth were wrong about everything, there's no need to go make fun of him or anything like that. Have some respect. Seriously... how old are you? Ten? Certainly seems Innsmouth is right about your behavior, anyway. Now go have a cold shower or something, because nobody on this forum should even care. This is a hopeless debate, whether you are wrong or somebody else is. Let's just do something else.
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Why do I have to be nice when he was the first person that started insulting people and belittling our intelligence? I won't be mean unless I have a reason too and believe me, that is very tame for what I am really capable of. I just don't roll over like a b!tch and accept this crap.
 
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