Keaton
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Watching back through the DMC4 movies last night I noticed a few things that could do with discussing...particualy about Nero's origins.
Sure, most has been said before, but hey, I like healthy flameless debates
Issue 1, The Sillouette
When Nero is running towards the church in the opening scene he is ambushed by Scarecrows. After dispatching the first he picks up what seems to be a Leg of theirs, a long curved single sided blade, much large than RedQueen it must be noted.
As Nero is slashing away at the enemy everything slows and we see Nero's sillouette on a wall behind him, mid-swing. This shadow shows Nero, but to be over analytical you could say it shows a young man with mid-length hair (that is drawn back), wearing a long coat and bandashing a large half moon (esque) blade.
Now, it may be me, but does anyone else think that that sillouette could just as easily portray a picture of Sparda as it could Nero...especially with the Large Curved Blade he is wealding (+rep for any pics =p)
Issue 2, The Devil Bringers Awakening
Notice how just before Dante arrives the Devil Bringer glows.
The only other instances are just before Nero encounters Yamoto and Sparda also. Dante kills the Savior and as Nero rushes forward to protect Kyrie (fighting to protect a human -reguardless of his own safety) the Devil Bringer isn't glowing then.
BUT as Dante launches his deadly Stinger at Nero, an attack that should kill him, Nero blocks it with the Devil Bringer and in that instant the Devil Bringer establishes its constant risidual glow - I think that touching Rebellion, one of Sparda's swords awoke the Devil Bringer.
On a lesser note, as Nero is punching Dante (Nero has him pinned) you see Dantes Arm change from its Devil Trigger back to human again. This I feel could be for two reasons, the first is that because the Bringer is filled with concentrated Demonic Power that caused Dante to react in the same way he did with an item in DMC3 that gave off such a high amount of energy that he was forced into his Devil Trigger. The second reason could be that the demonic power is effecting Dante, not because its so concentrated but because it is familar.
If we entertain the possibility that Sparda himself or Virgil bestowed Nero with the Devil Bringer in his time of need then Dante would surely sense the power once the Bringer was awoken. Thus casuing him a brief involentary moment of panic...possibly.
Issue 3, The Grunt
As Nero is fighting Dante Nero attacks him causing him to get knocked back, it is only at this moment that Dante shows any form of being caught off guard as he lets out a grunt. I'm not saying that Nero is more powerful than Dante, but if a beast like Berial or Echidna can't even threaten Dante, it shows that Nero has power potencial equal to Dantes - if he is actually able to harm him (a little).
Issue 4, "We're the same, you and I"
Towards the end of the opening scene after Dante is impaled on Rebellion (how cool is this scene). As Dante removes Rebellion from his chest (trademark scene ^_^) Nero says:
"Your not human...are you?"
Dante then continues with:
"We're the same you and...I...and them, but I suspect your carrying something different"
This is an immedate confirmation of Nero's half blood nature, although to what extent is still hard to tell.
Issue 4, "You Are Like He Was"
Another cool scene to analyze
Nero experiences his first Hell Gate, and with it his first 'proper' evil demon of the game, Berial. I know everyone knows about the 'Mundus' name drop on a shop sign, but this is something else.
A memorable scene is where Nero uses Red Queen and snuffs the flames of the surrounding buildings, follwoing this they match blades and Nero forces Berials blade back causing you to have a nice little Brawl with him. After you beat him he remarks "Your Arm is not human, you are like he was!" (or something to that effect), naturally despite Nero asking Berial doesnt' explain who he was referring to.
There are only two options for this however; Virgil or Sparda.
Dante, although having been to the Underworld has never met Berial (as is suggested bu Dantes own confrontation with him), it is known that Berial is The Conqueror of the Fire Hell giving him a pretty comfy status amungst the ranks.
I believe that he must be referring to either Virgil or his Father Sparda, because both have been to hell and both have fought there. Virgil is a tough call because we do not know at which point he became Nelo Angelo (directly after his defeat at Mundus' hands or afterwards following some kind of errands lol). BUT, it is likely to be Sparda after all, Sparda had beef witheveryone ^__^
Why is Nero like Sparda? OR perhaps we should better ask, why dos Nero's arm cause Berial to say this...is it possible that Sparda himself had a Devil Bringer? It would make sense in a way, it would mean he could assimilate many demons powers WITHOUT directly beating them (see Credo), and thus making him more and more powerful despite leaving Mundus' Generals alive (see Phantom).
Also, since Sparda is the 'Original Devil' in this series, of which both Dante and Virgil have his powers split between them, should Nero be connected wouldnt' a true Demonic embodiment run true with Sparda? Afterall, the Devil Bringer is a highly capable weapon that is deserving of the LDK.
Issue 5, Fighting For Love and the Demand for Power
The Final issue to discuss. Nero's reception of Yamoto.
When Nero has been impaled in a very Dante way, once again his thoughts that concern his own safety are no-where to be seen, instead he fears for Kyrie and his desire to protect her draws up a memory of when the Isle was attacked.
We hear Nero calling for Kyrie, we hear her screaming.
It is safe to assume at this point that Neros' one desire is to save her, he needs more power.
This is an emotion shared by Virgil particually but also Sparda.
Virgil wants more power because he wants to exceed his father and brother.
Sparda fought as hard as he did because he loved someone.
Nero's emotions are both of these combined, his desire for power to protect the one he loved could have caused either of these Devils to act in his favor, but it is THAT comment that leans me towards Virgil's influence in Nero's origins.
"...from that day forth my arm changed, and a voice echoed: POWER give me more power!"
Virgil, no? If Nero's Devil Trigger was simply a ghost/mimic of his own being then there would be no other voice in his head, except his own. This wasn't his because he says 'A' voice echoed.
On a second lesser note with this scene, as Nero's desire for power to save Kyrie is raising Yamoto restores itself and bestowes him with a new Trigger.
I'm not sure really what to believe here but, after thinking over these elements last night its hard not to believe in Sparda or Virgils involvement...but to what extent?
..also who is Nero we we look close enough the anwsers are potencially there...
Happy Discussing
Sure, most has been said before, but hey, I like healthy flameless debates
Issue 1, The Sillouette
When Nero is running towards the church in the opening scene he is ambushed by Scarecrows. After dispatching the first he picks up what seems to be a Leg of theirs, a long curved single sided blade, much large than RedQueen it must be noted.
As Nero is slashing away at the enemy everything slows and we see Nero's sillouette on a wall behind him, mid-swing. This shadow shows Nero, but to be over analytical you could say it shows a young man with mid-length hair (that is drawn back), wearing a long coat and bandashing a large half moon (esque) blade.
Now, it may be me, but does anyone else think that that sillouette could just as easily portray a picture of Sparda as it could Nero...especially with the Large Curved Blade he is wealding (+rep for any pics =p)
Issue 2, The Devil Bringers Awakening
Notice how just before Dante arrives the Devil Bringer glows.
The only other instances are just before Nero encounters Yamoto and Sparda also. Dante kills the Savior and as Nero rushes forward to protect Kyrie (fighting to protect a human -reguardless of his own safety) the Devil Bringer isn't glowing then.
BUT as Dante launches his deadly Stinger at Nero, an attack that should kill him, Nero blocks it with the Devil Bringer and in that instant the Devil Bringer establishes its constant risidual glow - I think that touching Rebellion, one of Sparda's swords awoke the Devil Bringer.
On a lesser note, as Nero is punching Dante (Nero has him pinned) you see Dantes Arm change from its Devil Trigger back to human again. This I feel could be for two reasons, the first is that because the Bringer is filled with concentrated Demonic Power that caused Dante to react in the same way he did with an item in DMC3 that gave off such a high amount of energy that he was forced into his Devil Trigger. The second reason could be that the demonic power is effecting Dante, not because its so concentrated but because it is familar.
If we entertain the possibility that Sparda himself or Virgil bestowed Nero with the Devil Bringer in his time of need then Dante would surely sense the power once the Bringer was awoken. Thus casuing him a brief involentary moment of panic...possibly.
Issue 3, The Grunt
As Nero is fighting Dante Nero attacks him causing him to get knocked back, it is only at this moment that Dante shows any form of being caught off guard as he lets out a grunt. I'm not saying that Nero is more powerful than Dante, but if a beast like Berial or Echidna can't even threaten Dante, it shows that Nero has power potencial equal to Dantes - if he is actually able to harm him (a little).
Issue 4, "We're the same, you and I"
Towards the end of the opening scene after Dante is impaled on Rebellion (how cool is this scene
). As Dante removes Rebellion from his chest (trademark scene ^_^) Nero says:"Your not human...are you?"
Dante then continues with:
"We're the same you and...I...and them, but I suspect your carrying something different"
This is an immedate confirmation of Nero's half blood nature, although to what extent is still hard to tell.
Issue 4, "You Are Like He Was"
Another cool scene to analyze
Nero experiences his first Hell Gate, and with it his first 'proper' evil demon of the game, Berial. I know everyone knows about the 'Mundus' name drop on a shop sign, but this is something else.
A memorable scene is where Nero uses Red Queen and snuffs the flames of the surrounding buildings, follwoing this they match blades and Nero forces Berials blade back causing you to have a nice little Brawl with him. After you beat him he remarks "Your Arm is not human, you are like he was!" (or something to that effect), naturally despite Nero asking Berial doesnt' explain who he was referring to.
There are only two options for this however; Virgil or Sparda.
Dante, although having been to the Underworld has never met Berial (as is suggested bu Dantes own confrontation with him), it is known that Berial is The Conqueror of the Fire Hell giving him a pretty comfy status amungst the ranks.
I believe that he must be referring to either Virgil or his Father Sparda, because both have been to hell and both have fought there. Virgil is a tough call because we do not know at which point he became Nelo Angelo (directly after his defeat at Mundus' hands or afterwards following some kind of errands lol). BUT, it is likely to be Sparda after all, Sparda had beef witheveryone ^__^
Why is Nero like Sparda? OR perhaps we should better ask, why dos Nero's arm cause Berial to say this...is it possible that Sparda himself had a Devil Bringer? It would make sense in a way, it would mean he could assimilate many demons powers WITHOUT directly beating them (see Credo), and thus making him more and more powerful despite leaving Mundus' Generals alive (see Phantom).
Also, since Sparda is the 'Original Devil' in this series, of which both Dante and Virgil have his powers split between them, should Nero be connected wouldnt' a true Demonic embodiment run true with Sparda? Afterall, the Devil Bringer is a highly capable weapon that is deserving of the LDK.
Issue 5, Fighting For Love and the Demand for Power
The Final issue to discuss. Nero's reception of Yamoto.
When Nero has been impaled in a very Dante way, once again his thoughts that concern his own safety are no-where to be seen, instead he fears for Kyrie and his desire to protect her draws up a memory of when the Isle was attacked.
We hear Nero calling for Kyrie, we hear her screaming.
It is safe to assume at this point that Neros' one desire is to save her, he needs more power.
This is an emotion shared by Virgil particually but also Sparda.
Virgil wants more power because he wants to exceed his father and brother.
Sparda fought as hard as he did because he loved someone.
Nero's emotions are both of these combined, his desire for power to protect the one he loved could have caused either of these Devils to act in his favor, but it is THAT comment that leans me towards Virgil's influence in Nero's origins.
"...from that day forth my arm changed, and a voice echoed: POWER give me more power!"
Virgil, no? If Nero's Devil Trigger was simply a ghost/mimic of his own being then there would be no other voice in his head, except his own. This wasn't his because he says 'A' voice echoed.
On a second lesser note with this scene, as Nero's desire for power to save Kyrie is raising Yamoto restores itself and bestowes him with a new Trigger.
I'm not sure really what to believe here but, after thinking over these elements last night its hard not to believe in Sparda or Virgils involvement...but to what extent?
..also who is Nero we we look close enough the anwsers are potencially there...
Happy Discussing
