Just clearing up some things

[Lionheart]

No offense, but seriously can we stop with these threads, its not about opinions, its about just plaguing the message board with the same old bs. I hope this is the last we will see of how much you or anyone else dislikes everything about DmC (but the environments :/, yeah, its getting old), In fact, I have an idea for you and everyone else who doesn't like DmC, y'all should just put it on your profile, that way you can all direct people in case they forget. *sheesh* it's like "WHY CAN"T I HATE DmC WHY WHY WHY?" People, you can hate it all you want, just stop plaguing the message board with the same old tune over and over, I keep asking the mods to just make a sticky thread where you and everyone that dislikes DmC can just post back and forth about how much DmC sucks.

I'm guessing you haven't read why I posted. I posted to prove wrong the statement that people who dislike DmC do so because they dislike change. I also gave my reasons for disliking DmC to prove I do not dislike change itself, I dislike the type of change. As I am proof that people don't dislike DmC because of the change, the entire point loses its validity. It's really none of my concern whether or not you like reading my opinion. If you don't want to hear it, then why are you here?

Read before you start ranting. Thanks.

 

[OppressedWriter]

Christ, it doesn't really matter the reason you dislike it, its your opinion, what difference does it make and who is still hounding you as a hater. The point is there IS no discussion to be had. You're just saying, Hey' this is my opinion, which most of the regulars already know. What exactly is the point but to inflame the board. There's absolutely nothing to discuss, this should be part of your profile and not something you post over and over in various forms. One only has to scour through all your old posts to show that there is clear evidence you dislike DmC and that is like your "opinion" dude.

Let me clarify, if I absolutely detest every mechanic and function of a game, there is no point in someone who likes it trying to convince me otherwise. On the other hand, if I'm on the fence and am wiling to change my mind then yeah, I can say these things bother me, would some of the fans try to explain or help me better understand why they enjoy the game so much?

You're in the first category, so just coming here over and over just to point out, hey I hate the game not because I can't stand change, but because like I have these parroted talking points about why the game is not good, is an exercise in passive aggressive trolling.

Ultimately, to me it just feels like the need to clarify that you're not resistant to change is just a ruse to repost more negative stuff about DmC that you've posted countless times before.

 

[Lionheart]

Christ, it doesn't really matter the reason you dislike it, its your opinion, what difference does it make and who is still hounding you as a hater. The point is there IS no discussion to be had. You're just saying, Hey' this is my opinion, which most of the regulars here know, just letting you know again.

Obviously that's not the case if Jak or anybody else keeps suggesting I dislike DmC ''because I dislike change'', or because I'm a 'hater'. Now I hope it's clear to everyone that there's no point in thinking that. Not only that, but I do feel like I speak for some people when I say that enough is enough. People still seem to believe that there's a place on the forum where ''people who like DmC can have refuge'', which is weird. It's almost 2014, DmC has happened. There's no DmC vs DMC stuff supposed to be going on.

I'm not going to ''keep posting it over and over'', this is the only thing I'll post that flat out states I dislike DmC. Any other time I post it will be in a debate, as it should be. Anyway, I don't feel like responding again. I have more things to do. This thread can be locked for all I care; not many people have taken notice of it anyway.

 

[OppressedWriter]

You keep mentioning Jak, who else, where and how often, couldn't you have had this discussion with Jak in a PM then. Jeez, you're such a troll, man. I'm sorry its transparent.

 

[Dante47]

Is there any kind of place or thread where we can address problems, inconsistencies, or other such issues found in DmC (so long as they have a solid basis) without bickering and arguing?

Let's not pretend DmC was a perfect game. Having threads addressing legitimate problems or opinions with the game should not be subdued, not in the slightest.
But... having one whole thread to glorify a single member's opinion isn't exactly the best way to express certain ideas or topics to discuss. All it does is create spectacle, and cause a pointless flame war that will never end until a moderator intervenes. This happens all to much, and frankly, it's becoming tiresome.

Now, can we please all shake hands, embrace one another, and agree to argue another day?

 

[berto]

No offense, but seriously can we stop with these threads, its not about opinions, its about just plaguing the message board with the same old bs. I hope this is the last we will see of how much you or anyone else dislikes everything about DmC (but the environments :/, yeah, its getting old), In fact, I have an idea for you and everyone else who doesn't like DmC, y'all should just put it on your profile, that way you can all direct people in case they forget. *sheesh* it's like "WHY CAN"T I HATE DmC WHY WHY WHY?" People, you can hate it all you want, just stop plaguing the message board with the same old tune over and over, I keep asking the mods to just make a sticky thread where you and everyone that dislikes DmC can just post back and forth about how much DmC sucks.

You keep mentioning Jak, who else, where and how often, couldn't you have had this discussion with Jak in a PM then. Jeez, you're such a troll, man. I'm sorry its transparent.

This is tremendously immature.

Is there any kind of place or thread where we can address problems, inconsistencies, or other such issues found in DmC (so long as they have a solid basis) without bickering and arguing?

Let's not pretend DmC was a perfect game. Having threads addressing legitimate problems or opinions with the game should not be subdued, not in the slightest.

Well, that was supposed to be here in the DmC section, where else? the DMC3 section? General? It's very much DmC specific.

But... having one whole thread to glorify a single member's opinion isn't exactly the best way to express certain ideas or topics to discuss. All it does is create spectacle, and cause a pointless flame war that will never end until a moderator intervenes. This happens all to much, and frankly, it's becoming tiresome.

So where or how would you go to express you're legitimate critiques and concerns? Not here, can you imagine a thread titled 'My Legitimate Critiques of DmC (no flaming/trolling please)'? It would go over equally well as this one.

If you got any ideas I'm all ears. However I still think that opinions, no matter how well based and legitimate will always draw somebody that spins it another way.

Now, can we please all shake hands, embrace one another, and agree to argue another day?

As long as no one grabs my @$$ I'm game.

 

[AlastorSword]

As long as no one grabs my @$$ I'm game.

O_O !
*immediately withdraws hand*

 

[TWOxACROSS]

So where or how would you go to express you're legitimate critiques and concerns? Not here, can you imagine a thread titled 'My Legitimate Critiques of DmC (no flaming/trolling please)'? It would go over equally well as this one.

Ironically, there's members of the forum who would throw a fit for "My Legitimate Critiques of DMC1/2/3/4" as well. Especially considering how often the classics were deified against DmC in the past. Obviously no game is above reproach, but...DMC is a smaller fanbase, so the ratio of "normal fan" to "fanboy" is much closer :/

I just don't think a majority of the fanbase (whichever side) can handle honest-to-goodness critique. I'd love to be proven wrong, but...I just don't see it ending well.

O_O !
*immediately withdraws hand*

I wish I could like this more :laugh:

 

[DragonMaster2010]

Oh don't mind me, I'm just enjoying the show.

But before I go, let me share this with everyone;

Lionhart you seem to be in something I like to call "Let me tell you" syndrome where you must share to the entire form as to why you don't like DmC instead of people saying you don't like change. News flash, I think we all know that it's not just to do with change.

Just like people have different reasons for liking DmC, people have different reasons to hate it.

Plus, Lionhart I thought you of all people would be the bigger man and simply ignore what anyone else says. It's above you to humor those comments and you know it. There's no need to put a whole thread out just to prove to them why you don't like DmC. You know why you don't like it, and as long as you know, there's no need to put an entire thread out as to why.

Plus, you're not the only one who gets hate. There's this guy on Fanfiction called Bounty Hunter Vega who constantly harasses me because I make fanfics with new Dante. He calls me stupid, insults me, and says I'm a terrible writer all because I put new Dante in it. But you know what, I don't let it get to me to such a large degree. I say a small comment and let it go on as such.

And that's what you should do; put a small comment, and let it go.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

There's this guy on Fanfiction called Bounty Hunter Vega who constantly harasses me because I make fanfics with new Dante.

Ho boy! Maybe I'll have to deal with him now that I put up DmC Stairway to Heaven on there. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay~

 

[berto]

Ironically, there's members of the forum who would throw a fit for "My Legitimate Critiques of DMC1/2/3/4" as well. Especially considering how often the classics were deified against DmC in the past. Obviously no game is above reproach, but...DMC is a smaller fanbase, so the ratio of "normal fan" to "fanboy" is much closer :/

I just don't think a majority of the fanbase (whichever side) can handle honest-to-goodness critique. I'd love to be proven wrong, but...I just don't see it ending well.

Yeah, I know. I understand it, too. For a long time I wouldn't be having any of that and I would be swift to defend DMC irrelevant of truth or not so I understand that mentality and the refusal to out grow it.

 

[Lionheart]

''Is there any kind of place or thread where we can address problems, inconsistencies, or other such issues found in DmC (so long as they have a solid basis) without bickering and arguing?
Let's not pretend DmC was a perfect game. *Having threads addressing legitimate problems or opinions with the game should not be subdued, not in the slightest.

Again, the reason for my comment was not just to address DmC's problems.
*And... what is happening here, exactly: ''Ultimately, to me it just feels like the need to clarify that you're not resistant to change is just a ruse to repost more negative stuff about DmC that you've posted countless times before.''

But... having one whole thread to glorify a single member's opinion isn't exactly the best way to express certain ideas or topics to discuss.

I think you should know me well enough to realize I'm not glorifying my own opinion. And OppressedWriter, I wish you would take my posts more seriously instead of accusing me of being a troll and ''parroting'' opinions from the get-go. Btw, not everybody knows my views like you think. I am not here to push my views on people, because that's impossible in the first place. See, this is what I mean when I say that some people don't listen. Some of you think people who dislike DmC will try to 'convert' you. It's almost as ridiculous as the thought that gays can be turned straight. Just not possible.
I thought I could simply post it without any butthurt coming from the so-called 'DmC side' , but no, there's always *something* to blow up. I've explained why I posted my first comment: I simply wanted to disprove the argument that 'people who dislike DmC dislike change' and all that nonsense. You can't just generalize everything and everyone, but sadly, that keeps happening on this forum, and it's annoying as hell. I just posted it here, in the DmC section, because it pertains to DmC. I thought that made perfect sense.


''News flash, I think we all know that it's not just to do with change''.
Perhaps you do, and thanks for that, but a lot of people still don't get the picture, and this thread is to show them the full picture (at least in my case).

Nobody deserves to get away with harrassing people just because they don't like what they read. Don't like it, then why are you on this thread? Seriously, there are possibly hundreds of threads. Go to a different one.
I'm going to ask an admin to lock this thread. Aside from that, I'm going to ask one of them to post some rules or something, like 'don't respond aggressively if you don't have anything useful to say' or 'hateful responses to neutral comments will not be tolerated'.
It's not that hard to respond normally instead of aggressively. Do you seriously wonder why I get angry, when the first few replies are already hateful, and some accusatory?

 

[Demi-fiend]

Things I don't like about DmC: Gameplay isn't as good as DMC3.

While I'll also admit that there should have been more melee weapons, I really don't have any complaints other than that and the lack of a lock-on.

Not to mention, 5 weapons at the same time is unprecedented within the series itself.

Things I do like about DmC:

The shifting limbo concept, the artwork, story, characters, and the fact that you can bend the gameplay to your will if you know what you're doing.

Oppressed Hacker

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Things I don't like about DMC1, 4, and 2:

Gameplay not as good as 3, and even when I try to make the best out of it, there are just enough things missing from these games (the extra weapons, crazy stomp, pole play, and free ride (I don't play as Nero, so I don't use his version of FR) are just a few instances, imho) to remind me that they will never be as good as 3.

Also, the story in general leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[SugarMoon]

No offense, but seriously can we stop with these threads, its not about opinions, its about just plaguing the message board with the same old bs. I hope this is the last we will see of how much you or anyone else dislikes everything about DmC (but the environments :/, yeah, its getting old), In fact, I have an idea for you and everyone else who doesn't like DmC, y'all should just put it on your profile, that way you can all direct people in case they forget. *sheesh* it's like "WHY CAN"T I HATE DmC WHY WHY WHY?" People, you can hate it all you want, just stop plaguing the message board with the same old tune over and over, I keep asking the mods to just make a sticky thread where you and everyone that dislikes DmC can just post back and forth about how much DmC sucks.

*Sigh* really dude? Is it that serious? You need to relax and stop letting things like this get to you.

 

[VOLPE]

Hey guys, I just wanted to clear some things up about my thoughts on DmC (and perhaps some of the thoughts of other people who don't like DmC). I decided to post it here so that as many people as possible get to see it. I obviously don't speak for all who dislike DmC, so please don't treat me as some sort of poster boy to represent 'the DmC hater'. I'm sick of that old bandwagon.

- Why do you dislike DmC? You must be a hater! You must dislike change, or you're some sort of hipster who thinks it's cool to be at odds with 'the majority'.

No. I played DmC, and I did NOT think it was something pulled out of the vile depths of hell or something. I simply:
1. hated DmC's versions of Dante, Vergil and Mundus (not a big fan of Kat either). Their personalities and their voices just rub me the wrong way. Dante sounds like he's not too bright, and the guy who voiced Vergil sounds like... well... like he just found out about acting. Just mediocre. Sort of goes for Dante too, though; he can be very monotonous at times, without much of a reason. I guess that's his 'serious voice'.

2. Aside from that, I thought the world was okay, though it could've been rendered a lot better; jagged edges, too much contrast, etc. The artwork for DmC looks thrice as good as what you see in-game. So I'm not a big fan of the graphics.

3. Then there's the gameplay, which didn't exactly impress me. Going from DMC3/DMC4 to DmC is just... meh. I thought there were too many actions for the amount of buttons on your (360) controller. Switching to angel and demon forms just to maintain a combo didn't really work well (not for me, at least). The rest of the gameplay can be pretty choppy. Even starting to walk with Dante happens pretty abruptly. Furthermore, when you're doing combos, it seems like they forgot a few frames at times. It's like you press the button, and suddenly Dante's sword is already hitting the enemy; there's hardly any smooth transition. Devil Trigger is now not really a DT, it's just a 'red veins/clothing, blond hair trigger'. I think it's pretty lame, and too much of a concession to the fans of old Dante. If you're going to make a new Dante, make him new! And the gameplay doesn't seem as fast-paced as that of DMC3.

4. The weapons and enemies didn't look awesome to me, either. The rebellion looks pretty bland, in my opinion - I'm not saying the first Rebellion wasn't bland too! The enemies don't seem varied enough in terms of appearance. It's a lot of mannequin-like things, and the rest is... steampunk weapons with enemies attached. That's how I see them.

And there's no doubt more to mention, like how terrible the script (mainly dialog) is sometimes, or the soundtrack, but I'm about to be busy, so I might be forgetful.
I just want people to know that there's no 'deep psychological reason' for me to dislike DmC - I just do. Not a hater, not a 'fan', just somebody who thinks DmC isn't great. Most things done in DmC are not to my taste, and taste is unchangeable. The things that weren't done well, like the script, bear too much weight for me to let slide.

This..all this..completely correct especially the controller part omfg you need like three extra buttons lol

 

[VOLPE]

Im with lionheart i have only tryed the demo for DmC but even with that only portion of the game i hated it lol and its not because of change or anything petty i didnt enjoy the gameplay..like at all..lol i can put up with a lot of things but the gameplay is a must and for me DmC..i think it tried to do too much at once if i may so

 

[Jack500]

''Is there any kind of place or thread where we can address problems, inconsistencies, or other such issues found in DmC (so long as they have a solid basis) without bickering and arguing?
Let's not pretend DmC was a perfect game. *Having threads addressing legitimate problems or opinions with the game should not be subdued, not in the slightest.

Again, the reason for my comment was not just to address DmC's problems.
*And... what is happening here, exactly: ''Ultimately, to me it just feels like the need to clarify that you're not resistant to change is just a ruse to repost more negative stuff about DmC that you've posted countless times before.''

But... having one whole thread to glorify a single member's opinion isn't exactly the best way to express certain ideas or topics to discuss.

I think you should know me well enough to realize I'm not glorifying my own opinion. And OppressedWriter, I wish you would take my posts more seriously instead of accusing me of being a troll and ''parroting'' opinions from the get-go. Btw, not everybody knows my views like you think. I am not here to push my views on people, because that's impossible in the first place. See, this is what I mean when I say that some people don't listen. Some of you think people who dislike DmC will try to 'convert' you. It's almost as ridiculous as the thought that gays can be turned straight. Just not possible.
I thought I could simply post it without any butthurt coming from the so-called 'DmC side' , but no, there's always *something* to blow up. I've explained why I posted my first comment: I simply wanted to disprove the argument that 'people who dislike DmC dislike change' and all that nonsense. You can't just generalize everything and everyone, but sadly, that keeps happening on this forum, and it's annoying as hell. I just posted it here, in the DmC section, because it pertains to DmC. I thought that made perfect sense.


''News flash, I think we all know that it's not just to do with change''.
Perhaps you do, and thanks for that, but a lot of people still don't get the picture, and this thread is to show them the full picture (at least in my case).

Nobody deserves to get away with harrassing people just because they don't like what they read. Don't like it, then why are you on this thread? Seriously, there are possibly hundreds of threads. Go to a different one.
I'm going to ask an admin to lock this thread. Aside from that, I'm going to ask one of them to post some rules or something, like 'don't respond aggressively if you don't have anything useful to say' or 'hateful responses to neutral comments will not be tolerated'.
It's not that hard to respond normally instead of aggressively. Do you seriously wonder why I get angry, when the first few replies are already hateful, and some accusatory?

So basically you're whoring for attention

 

[VOLPE]

So basically you're whoring for attention

No he was trying to prove and debunk the arguement that he doesnt like DmC because its a big change. he dislikes it because it kind of sucks lol as far as what he himself enjoys as far as gameplay and storyline and such. he posted it here because this is the DmC section and he is merely proving he dislikes the game because he finds it to be a bad game not because its a "change" also there are hundreds of members who post how much they hate some of the dmc games...everyone but everyone hates on DMC2...NOBODY BATS AN EYE...he decides hes going to state he doesnt like DmC because he finds the gameplay and storyline and etc bad(which is a valid statement and he should be able to state so without being shot down by people who also like to post their opinions without being told to shut up as well) AND EVERYBODY LOSES THEIR ****ING MIND!!! lol all he did was give his opinion dont like it dont respond or read the thread if it was that bad im sure staff would mg him personally

 

[VOLPE]

And i posted all of this without putting anyone down.isolating a specific group of people.or pushing my veiws on anyone i simply clarified what lionheart meant and posted an opinion which is what the forums basic purpose is right a place for opinions to be shared open and honestly.

 

[Lionheart]

*Sigh* really dude? Is it that serious? You need to relax and stop letting things like this get to you.

I would if I could, but it just goes on and on. It's like you just can't post your opinion here without somebody trying to deprecate it. I don't want to know how people feel about my opinion - I don't care. I am here to have debates, not arguments. And yet, I get quoted constantly by people who happen to disagree, but don't give any reasons for why they disagree. They just go ''Why would you post this if you know I'm gonna call you out for it?'' (TWOxACROSS literally said this). Well, I don't need to get their permission to post my views, and I don't sit around waiting for them to respond. Why? Because the first comments are immediately sarcastic and/or cynical. This is a forum, and I won't be belittled. As much as they can belittle me because of freedom of speech, I can use freedom of speech to expose them for being asses and not deserving to be on this forum (anymore). Seriously, there's only so much nonsense a forum should endure before deciding to ban somebody.

Like I said, nobody deserves to get away with harrassing people just because they don't like what they read. Don't like it, then why are you on this thread? Seriously, there are possibly hundreds of threads. Go to a different one.