Just clearing up some things

[Lionheart]

Hey guys, I just wanted to clear some things up about my thoughts on DmC (and perhaps some of the thoughts of other people who don't like DmC). I decided to post it here so that as many people as possible get to see it. I obviously don't speak for all who dislike DmC, so please don't treat me as some sort of poster boy to represent 'the DmC hater'. I'm sick of that old bandwagon.

- Why do you dislike DmC? You must be a hater! You must dislike change, or you're some sort of hipster who thinks it's cool to be at odds with 'the majority'.

No. I played DmC, and I did NOT think it was something pulled out of the vile depths of hell or something. I simply:
1. hated DmC's versions of Dante, Vergil and Mundus (not a big fan of Kat either). Their personalities and their voices just rub me the wrong way. Dante sounds like he's not too bright, and the guy who voiced Vergil sounds like... well... like he just found out about acting. Just mediocre. Sort of goes for Dante too, though; he can be very monotonous at times, without much of a reason. I guess that's his 'serious voice'.

2. Aside from that, I thought the world was okay, though it could've been rendered a lot better; jagged edges, too much contrast, etc. The artwork for DmC looks thrice as good as what you see in-game. So I'm not a big fan of the graphics.

3. Then there's the gameplay, which didn't exactly impress me. Going from DMC3/DMC4 to DmC is just... meh. I thought there were too many actions for the amount of buttons on your (360) controller. Switching to angel and demon forms just to maintain a combo didn't really work well (not for me, at least). The rest of the gameplay can be pretty choppy. Even starting to walk with Dante happens pretty abruptly. Furthermore, when you're doing combos, it seems like they forgot a few frames at times. It's like you press the button, and suddenly Dante's sword is already hitting the enemy; there's hardly any smooth transition. Devil Trigger is now not really a DT, it's just a 'red veins/clothing, blond hair trigger'. I think it's pretty lame, and too much of a concession to the fans of old Dante. If you're going to make a new Dante, make him new! And the gameplay doesn't seem as fast-paced as that of DMC3.

4. The weapons and enemies didn't look awesome to me, either. The rebellion looks pretty bland, in my opinion - I'm not saying the first Rebellion wasn't bland too! The enemies don't seem varied enough in terms of appearance. It's a lot of mannequin-like things, and the rest is... steampunk weapons with enemies attached. That's how I see them.

And there's no doubt more to mention, like how terrible the script (mainly dialog) is sometimes, or the soundtrack, but I'm about to be busy, so I might be forgetful.
I just want people to know that there's no 'deep psychological reason' for me to dislike DmC - I just do. Not a hater, not a 'fan', just somebody who thinks DmC isn't great. Most things done in DmC are not to my taste, and taste is unchangeable. The things that weren't done well, like the script, bear too much weight for me to let slide.

 

[berto]

good on you? i suppose.

i get where you're coming from but i don't think you need so much disclaimer. if you don't like it you don't like it, it's not like it's an unpopular stand, i doubt you'd be labelled the quintessential hater for it.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

"I don't like this because [thoughts/feelings/opinions]."

Thanks for the slightly useless thread.

 

[Lionheart]

"I don't like this because [thoughts/feelings/opinions]."

Thanks for the slightly useless thread.

Thank you for your comment, which is useless in itself. You're a real 'ass'et (asshat?) to the forum.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

You're a real 'ass'et (asshat?)

Kyeheheh. It works, but not quite in text.

 

[Lionheart]

good on you? i suppose.

i get where you're coming from but i don't think you need so much disclaimer. if you don't like it you don't like it, it's not like it's an unpopular stand, i doubt you'd be labelled the quintessential hater for it.

I've noticed it's actually a very unpopular stance here. I've been getting a lot of flak for it, and a lot of people who dislike DmC get hated for it as well. And people don't usually give much thought to my views here (often because I post them as responses), so I thought I'd post it in a more public place. So yes, I thought it was necessary to post this. Judging from the few comments so far, I'd say people again don't believe me or just don't care what I have to say, which confirms that a lot of people are here just to state their opinion and ridicule everyone who doesn't feel the same way. A forum is a place where you debate things and can share things without getting only a stupid gif image in return (or a counter-opinion).

It's just annoying to see that so many people think dislike for DmC stems from 'not liking change' or wanting to be counterculture or something. It's such a bulls*it argument (at least in my case).

Sorry for the insult, but I get really p*ssed when I get insulted. Dealt a blow? Then expect a punch back.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

I've noticed it's actually a very unpopular stance here.

OF COURSE IT IS! You're on the DmC-side of a fansite forum where people who actually like DmC come to talk about their love of the game!

That's like me going to Chicago and being all "Wow! You guys really hate the Packers! What gives?!"

Holy sh!t...did I just make a football joke...?

Judging from the few comments so far, I'd say people again don't believe me

Don't get me wrong, I totally believe your stance - and I respect it (I've said so before), it's just that this thread whittles down to what I said previously: "I don't like this because [thoughts/feelings/opinions]." It's no different from me saying "I like this because [thoughts/feelings/opinions]."

 

[Lionheart]

OF COURSE IT IS! You're on the DmC-side of a fansite forum where people who actually like DmC come to talk about their love of the game!

Don't get me wrong, I totally believe your stance - and I respect it (I've said so before), it's just that this thread whittles down to what I said previously: "I don't like this because [thoughts/feelings/opinions]." It's no different from me saying "I like this because [thoughts/feelings/opinions]."

Like anybody else going to the DMC part of the forums and 'spewing hate' there? Come on, it should be acceptable that the games both get criticism. And I posted it here, because... drumroll... it's ABOUT DmC! ANYTHING that's related to DmC is posted in the DmC section. Of course I'm not going to post it in the DMC section or general discussion section. :facepalm:

I didn't post it to show how I feel about DmC, I posted it to debunk the argument that people dislike DmC because they're afraid of change.

 

[AlastorSword]

I'm glad you actually have real reasons for disliking it rather than blind nostalgia. While I do like DmC, I understand darn well why people consider it lackluster and sort of feel the same way at times. As a Devil May Cry and as a reboot of a series that has been around for over a decade, it falls flatter than Aunt Jemima's flapjacks. However as its own entity, it's a very average hack'n'slash game which was good enough for me I guess.

 

[Lionheart]

I'm glad you actually have real reasons for disliking it rather than blind nostalgia. While I do like DmC, I understand darn well why people consider it lackluster and sort of feel the same way at times. As a Devil May Cry and as a reboot of a series that has been around for over a decade, it falls flatter than Aunt Jemima's flapjacks. However as its own entity, it's a very average hack'n'slash game which was good enough for me I guess.

I feel the same way. It's just that I want people to realize not everyone (most people probably do not) hates DmC because they're afraid of change. I would love to see Devil May Cry change from DMC3/DMC4 into a darker, more mature game with a believable version of Dante (but keep the awesome DMC2-like clothing). One that isn't just a character, but also has something meaningful to say. DmC did not provide that in the slightest for me.

 

[AlastorSword]

I feel the same way. It's just that I want people to realize not everyone (most people probably do not) hates DmC because they're afraid of change. I would love to see Devil May Cry change from DMC3/DMC4 into a darker, more mature game with a believable version of Dante (but keep the awesome DMC2-like clothing). One that isn't just a character, but also has something meaningful to say. DmC did not provide that in the slightest for me.

Yeah the whole, "Fans are afraid of change." herpyderpy argument I consider pretty silly (not to say there aren't fools who really think like that but certainly not a majority). It isn't like DMC1 and DMC4 are all that similar that we just want rehashing over and over again. What some people call innovation others might consider a failed experiment.

 

[berto]

OF COURSE IT IS! You're on the DmC-side of a fansite forum

I've noticed it's actually a very unpopular stance here. I've been getting a lot of flak for it, and a lot of people who dislike DmC get hated for it as well. And people don't usually give much thought to my views here (often because I post them as responses), so I thought I'd post it in a more public place. So yes, I thought it was necessary to post this. Judging from the few comments so far, I'd say people again don't believe me or just don't care what I have to say, which confirms that a lot of people are here just to state their opinion and ridicule everyone who doesn't feel the same way. A forum is a place where you debate things and can share things without getting only a stupid gif image in return (or a counter-opinion).

It's just annoying to see that so many people think dislike for DmC stems from 'not liking change' or wanting to be counterculture or something. It's such a bulls*it argument (at least in my case).

Sorry for the insult, but I get really p*ssed when I get insulted. Dealt a blow? Then expect a punch back.

Well, after seeing how things progressed I have to retract my statement, you're disclaimer needed to be longer, it seems.

"I don't like this because [thoughts/feelings/opinions]." It's no different from me saying "I like this because [thoughts/feelings/opinions]."

It's a fan forum, that is what we do here. As long as the content isn't disruptive or malicious I don't see the harm.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Like you or anybody else going to the DMC part of the forums and spewing hate there?

Hold your f#cking horses there, dude. I've never "spewed hate". I have never gone to one of the other fora to simply sh!t on one of the classics. It all gets criticism, all of it, but I have never just blindly gone into the other sections and just started sh!t.

How f#cking dare you make such a bogus claim like that. You're as bad as aoshi telling me that I apparently like God of War more than DMC (as if!).

Of course I'm not going to post it in the DMC section or general discussion section. :facepalm:

The point I'm making is that it was an unnecessary thread in general, doofus.

The other, completely aside, matter is the fact that you say "It's an unpopular opinion here." Of course it is, because like I said; you're in the section that is essentially refuge for people who like the game. Your opinion is only unpopular dependent on the opinions of others around you - surround yourself with people of a differing opinion, obviously yours will be the unfavorable one.

I didn't post it to show how I feel about DmC, I posted it to debunk the argument that people dislike DmC because they're afraid of change.

I wasn't even aware that there was an argument of whether you had legit reasons for not liking it. However, on the flipside, you state that this is your feelings and doesn't represent anyone but you, as you're not some poster boy for the "anti-DmC" crowd, but now the post is to debunk an argument about why other people dislike DmC. I thought this was only speaking for you, and no one else...?

 

[AlastorSword]

This... is... hilarious!!!

 

[berto]

I wasn't even aware that there was an argument of whether you had legit reasons for not liking it.

It's on the first post. It's the whole reason he started the thread.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

It's a fan forum, that is what we do here. As long as the content isn't disruptive or malicious I don't see the harm.

Seriously dude? You cut out the part of my quotation that actually mattered. It's that he says "It's an unpopular opinion around here" when he's surrounding himself by the people who make it an unpopular opinion. This is a gigantic "No sh!t, Sherlock!" moment.

If he were to go to Phantom Babies, then hey! You got yourself the popular opinion! Hallelujah!

The point is bothering to make a thread to justify your thoughts when no one asked, or cared. We've been so far past the shallow bullsh!t that is...

- Why do you dislike DmC? You must be a hater! You must dislike change, or you're some sort of hipster who thinks it's cool to be at odds with 'the majority'.

...for the longest time. We all have discussions and debates now about the stuff that actually counts. We know his stance through all the discussions we've been having, so why the need clear anything up?

 

[TWOxACROSS]

It's on the first post. It's the whole reason he started the thread.

I haven't seen anything like that here in a really long time. Like I said, he's made his stance clear through the countless discussions we've all been in, there's nothing to clear up.

 

[Lionheart]

Hold your f#cking horses there, dude. I've never "spewed hate". I have never gone to one of the other fora to simply sh!t on one of the classics. It all gets criticism, all of it, but I have never just blindly gone into the other sections and just started sh!t.

How f#cking dare you make such a bogus claim like that. You're as bad as aoshi telling me that I apparently like God of War more than DMC (as if!).

The point I'm making is that it was an unnecessary thread in general, doofus.

The other, completely aside, matter is the fact that you say "It's an unpopular opinion here." Of course it is, because like I said; you're in the section that is essentially refuge for people who like the game. Your opinion is only unpopular dependent on the opinions of others around you - surround yourself with people of a differing opinion, obviously yours will be the unfavorable one.


I wasn't even aware that there was an argument of whether you had legit reasons for not liking it. However, on the flipside, you state that this is your feelings and doesn't represent anyone but you, as you're not some poster boy for the "anti-DmC" crowd, but now the post is to debunk an argument about why other people dislike DmC. I thought this was only speaking for you, and no one else...?

I'm not saying you did, I said ''you or anyone else'' as in 'people in general'.

I don't know about that, and I don't care to know.

No, obviously it isn't. Like I said, a lot of people think that people who dislike DmC are afraid of change. I debunked that in my comment. There is no other way to do that to get noticed. I can post it on my profile page, but what good does that do?

I JUST SAID that I posted it here because this is the DmC section. The **** I've been getting for disliking DmC, meanwhile, has gone throughout the forum, even in the general section. And the idea that this is a refuge for people who like the game is nonsense. This is the DmC section of the Devil May Cry forums, that's it. I can post whatever I like about DmC here; that's why it's called the DmC section, instead of the 'private DmC-loving section'.

It debunks the argument that all people who dislike DmC dislike change, by SHOWING that I do NOT dislike DmC because I 'dislike change'. Since I am one person who doesn't hate DmC because of the change, that invalidates the entire argument. And it's not like I'm an exception; there are no doubt many more people who dislike DmC not because they dislike change.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

I JUST SAID that I posted it here because this is the DmC section. The **** I've been getting for disliking DmC, meanwhile, has gone throughout the forum, even in the general section. And the idea that this is a refuge for people who like the game is nonsense. This is the DmC section of the Devil May Cry forums, that's it. I can post whatever I like about DmC here; that's why it's called the DmC section, instead of the 'private DmC-loving section'.

You're not f#cking geting it, dude. Just forget it.

 

[Lionheart]

You're not f#cking geting it, dude. Just forget it.

Then better explain to me what I'm not getting. This is not a 'refuge for people who like DmC', it's just the DmC section. Everything that's related to DmC goes here. Because of that, I posted my comment here. It can't get any more logical than that. Or do you not use logic at all?