Even so!17 years are more than enough to build that. I mean: there was always demonic centered island, so demons were always part of it( if not the Order didn't existed at all), but those infrastructures could be newer than that.Those guys are obsessed and probably have money and hand work to build that quickly.
they may have recovered it AFTER they started their research and vergil lost to mundus….maybe?
erm I dunno … sword washed on the shore? seems little weird.
Weirder stuff has been known to come from the sea.
Possible.
Or someone's heart desire....
well swords are made of metal so it most likely sunken than swimmed. Considering it broken in half its even more far-stretched.
That seems very unlikely. Agnus doesn't seem that old, for him to have already been deep in the Demon stuff before 3 even happened.
I can't pinpoint age of Agnus, he appears to be middle aged. If we take a wild guess that he is 45, then minus 20 would make him 25. Still enough years for a genius to get some starting experience.
I think that's a pretty big overestimation, to me he doesn't look much into his thirties at the very most.
It's not that unlikely. The point is that the Order wasn't actively doing any of that stuff when Vergil came to town, and that wasn't why there were Demons there for him to fight - because in the end he concludes that their faith wasn't misguided.
That implies Lady and the others only work locally to Dante's shop, and that the Order was hunting Demons for possibly decades before their reach came into contact with them. But, we know that they work internationally as well, and unlike young Lady or her mother the DMC crew is experienced with the supernatural to a degree that them overlooking the Order's activities is a bit unlikely.
Allow me to disagree, but Agnus seems older than Credo who is in his thirties. there is no youth at all in Agnus persona
It depends what Vergil means with misguided , since this is a guy who did absolutely anything to get power. As much he found me not be misguided because they worship his Dad's power. Vergil was whatever if they were actually good people .
DMC4 says in clear words it was Lady who brought Dante into action,which gives a red flag: if Dante and Trish know about the Order but don't do absolutely anything about, they are ABSOLUTELY incompetent, but guess it can't be help.After all they were in Fortuna just some shots to put in Instagram and to wreck the city as two psychopaths.
I don't agree, in a lot of ways Agnus acts like a big child.
Vergil may be all about daddy's power, but he really doesn't like Demons. If at the time the Order was summoning them and was clearly corrupt to the point that they were just using his father as a figurehead to further their own ambitions, he wouldn't just be down with that and say they were fine.
I don't understand what you mean. It was Lady's jobs that they had begun infringing on, even in some theoretical where they had also taken some of Dante or Trish's work, it's not really incompetence for them to have simply written it off as other Demon hunters. But Lady is the workaholic, so she looked into the competition more than anyone else would have.
Sorry, you have to tell Lady that. It was HER who says things got those proportion because a certain individual did the do. And neither Dante or Trish were REALLY worried in stop that think.They were enjoying the city views. See the novel.
Me too and even Dante, Trish and a lot of so called adults.
It depends, to be honest. After all Arkham did what he did with Vergil's blessing, even killed his own wife, who apparently was nothing but a gentle lady. He didn't stop Arkham of trying to kill his own daughter and even made fun of him when he failed.
If they both knew the order and had some kind of idea what they were which is a possibility...
I'm busy fretting over Bleach, so I'll just address this... dude, my almost 90-year old grandma in a lot of ways acts like a big child, it's a personality thing, not age.
Of course they weren't worried, the Order was practically a joke to them.
Agnus goes a bit beyond though, he's one of the silliest characters in the series. And physically speaking, he certainly doesn't look that old.
There was a bit of irony going on there, but regardless of what you think Vergil meant exactly in regards to Arkham, it still wouldn't make sense for him to approve of the Order. Even if he was completely fine with them using Demons and sacrificing Humans to serve their attainment of power, he wouldn't be okay with them using Sparda's name and legacy as a front to make it happen.
We already know they didn't know. Even if there was ever some tertiary contact beforehand, the Order had presented itself as completely legitimate.
My problem is not the Order or how powerful they are. It's the innocent people behind killed in the middle and they were totally giving a damn.Very unDantish! But them again they gave Sparda to the Order just to have fun, which is the same of giving Daesh some powerful nuclear bomb and giggling how fun it will be.
But he is not that young either and he is a wacko scientist.That's why he is a freak.
That's why I lament so much the lack of the third part of the DMC3 manga and how poor and superficial they went with Vergil's character.Some files go on how evil he was while other media gives emphasis on how he isn't hostile to humans, because a child of Sparda can't be hostile to humans.The only time Vergil shows some kind of repulse about what Arkham have done , it is when he mentions Arkham's wife was nothing more than a loving person.Even when Arkham goes out to kill his daughter" because that is what Vergil wants", Vergil didn't say yes, but he didn't say no either.So my conclusion is that he is whatever for humans and demons, UNLESS they touch his precious Sparda's power.
Let's agree to disagree here. I accept your point of view since there is nothing in favor or against it.
