I feel the need to clarify something...

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People have been pointing out that Tameem is a hypocrite because he said the old DMC's were: "Too Japanesey".
But then included the weapon; Aquila. Which people have assumed are just big shurikens, and shurikens originated from Japan.

One problem though: The Aquila are glaives, not shurikens.

These are Shurikens:

These are Glaives:

And these are The Aquila:

That is all.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Did you know that "glaive" also means "sword"?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/glaive

It's also a polearm, as well. Confusing, really.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

Did you know that "glaive" also means "sword"?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/glaive

It's also a polearm, as well. Confusing, really.

Yeah, there are several types of glaives, Aquila just happens to be the throwing version.

 

[berto]

Ok. 1, that was a dumb thing for him to say, 2, I think they've suffered enough and learned their lesson, and 3, if anything it's the Japanese weapon skins that would fit that criteria more than the aquilla.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

if anything it's the Japanese weapon skins that would fit that criteria more than the aquilla.

I thought Tameem was talking more about the tone, rather than looks.(After all, Vergil still has a katana for his main/trademark weapon.)

 

[Chancey289]

Ok. 1, that was a dumb thing for him to say, .

Maybe because he didn't say it like that. He didn't say anything about not liking Devil May Cry. They love the games. If I remember correctly, it was just talking about that absurd over the top Japanese style that pretty much makes Devil May Cry exclusive to those who just dig that kind of stuff.

It's a pretty fair observation really. Just look at most modern anime and how exclusive on an audience it attracts. Unless you are already familiar with this weeaboo contrived dribble, don't expect anyone else to dig it if it's not their thing.

A shame, Japanese animation use to be an entertainment medium that had a lot more variety.

 

[berto]

I thought Tameem was talking more about the tone, rather than looks.

I'm sure he was. I think, though, that pack might've been a bit of an apology for the remark.

(After all, Vergil still has a katana for his main/trademark weapon.)

You know, I don't think that sword qualifies as a katana. It's got the name and I'm sure it's meant to be one but the design doesn't really back up the name.

Don't know if this is really the one from the game but I do remember it looking like that.

Anyway, katanas have a very specific design and even the fantasy ones follow a certain criteria. The only part of this sword that looks like a katana is the braid (Ito) on the handle. Everything else isn't. Capcom approved it so whatever but I still don't really think it qualifies.

 

[Demi-fiend]

I'm not into anime anymore that much either, and I actually love oversized swords and love triangles.

It's just that, it's gotten too much for me. For example, in Persona 5, they're making the main characters "Phantom Thieves" like in Lupin III simply because it's anime and its popular.

I didn't ask for that. In fact, just because it's taken off with the P5 fanbase doesn't mean that it's the best option to go about making that game.

On-topic:

Aquila was fine, but I think it would've been better to classify it as a ranged weapon. But it's alright the way it is.

 

[Chancey289]

I'm sure he was. I think, though, that pack might've been a bit of an apology for the remark.


You know, I don't think that sword qualifies as a katana. It's got the name and I'm sure it's meant to be one but the design doesn't really back up the name.

Don't know if this is really the one from the game but I do remember it looking like that.

Anyway, katanas have a very specific design and even the fantasy ones follow a certain criteria. The only part of this sword that looks like a katana is the braid (Ito) on the handle. Everything else isn't. Capcom approved it so whatever but I still don't really think it qualifies.

Dude, it's a mother fudging Katana.

Goddamn.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Dude, it's a mother fudging Katana.

Ok... let's take a look at this, then. We can come up with our own conclusions, then.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

I'm sure he was. I think, though, that pack might've been a bit of an apology for the remark.

Eh, maybe.

It's got the name and I'm sure it's meant to be one but the design doesn't really back up the name.

Yes it does?

It's about the average length and size of a regular katana:

 

[Demi-fiend]

Personally, I like tachis more than regular katanas.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Yeah, gonna have to go ahead that the DmC Yamato is a katana (and yes that is its game model ), it just doesn't have a large hilt like most are depicted with.

Also "glaives" are really only s'posed to be those throwing weapons, something popularized the misconception of them being polearms.

Oh yeah, and Tameem never said that DMC was "too Japanesey" either, he was asked about and referring to Bayonetta. He said Bayonetta was too Japanesey for his tastes because holy crap have you seen Bayonetta :tongue:

 

[Demi-fiend]

Whoops, didn't know that they weren't actually polearms. I'm pretty sure of its definition as a sword in the dictionary, though.

He said Bayonetta was too Japanesey for his tastes because holy crap have you seen Bayonetta :tongue:

Gotta agree with him there, what with the perv shots up the wazoo with that game... -_-

 

[TWOxACROSS]

the perv shots up the wazoo with that game

Literally up Bayo's wazoo.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Literally up Bayo's wazoo.

I'm almost afraid that you actually meant "literally." However, I don't think even P*Games would go that far.

... They're not THAT Japanesey, after all.

 

[WolfOD64]

Alright, in all honesty, when I first saw Aquila in action, I thought they were just fancy-looking chakrams---spinning blades wielded both in-hand and as projectiles in ancient Indian warfare. I didn't know anything about "glaives" (but now that I do, I find them to be pretty neat).

But ANYONE who thinks that the Aquila are shuriken are not only bafflingly stupid, but ill-informed about the Japanese feudal weaponry. This is proof that half of these complaints are coming from misinformed Otakus that have a hard-on for all things Japan (which explains why they're drawn like flies to a watermelon to a franchise like Devil May Cry) , and flaunt their "knowledge of Japanese weaponry" when most of their info comes from far-fetched and absurdly fantastical anime and video games (I have met people thoroughly convinced that Cloud's Buster Sword was an actively-used weapon during Feudal Japan).

Shuriken are not only explicitly used as projectiles---projectiles, not in-hand, like Dante uses for moves like Tornado---but they are also painfully-small. Historically speaking, traditional shuriken were a little size smaller than the owner's palm---not massive, disc-sized spinning blades like they are in DmC.

Jesus Christ...these people are really grasping for straws to come up with creative complaints at this point.

Personally, I like tachis more than regular katanas.

Nodachi Master-Race.

Oh yeah, and Tameem never said that DMC was "too Japanesey" either, he was asked about and referring to Bayonetta. He said Bayonetta was too Japanesey for his tastes because holy crap have you seen Bayonetta :tongue:

I actually know quite a few Japanese friends that studied overseas at my university, and a good chunk of them were gamers. And get this---we were talking about Bayonetta, and even THEY shook their heads laughing, saying it was too much "Japanese" for them to handle. At first, I was confused, and asked if they meant it was "too stylized", or "too eccentric"...but, no. They said it was "too Japanese" for even them to chew.

For whatever reason, I find that hilarious.

 

[Demi-fiend]

For whatever reason, I find that hilarious.

As do I.

And you're right: they are chakrams.

But glaives are pretty much the same thing for all intents and purposes, so...

Anyway, if you want a nodachi masamune or a zanbato, feel free to choose your own armament.

I just want Vergil's sword (no matter which version we're talking about) to match the length of Dante's Rebellion so that they can be evenly matched.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

I have met people thoroughly convinced that Cloud's Buster Sword was an actively-used weapon during Feudal Japan

Oh dear...

Also, shurikens did get used in-hand sometimes, holding them in the palm to block weapons with the broadside of the star, as well as for grappling, using the pointed tips to push into and subdue opponents.

 

[berto]

Eh, maybe.


Yes it does?

It's about the average length and size of a regular katana:

I know but look at the length and shape of the tip. A katana tends to be less long on the tip and for the most part there's a curvature. The butt of the handle (Kishira) has a very distinct shape and the guard looks more like it's of a chinese design. I think it's design is more like a korean military sword, I think they're called Hwangdo (might be wrong), than a Japanese one. Vergil certainly uses it like one, well, the actor tries but it's kinda obvious that he's not used to it, so there really isn't any point in splitting hairs if no one cares.

Hwangdos, by the way, are based on a Katana but are double folded as opposed to the japanese version which is 4 folds (?). That makes them lighter but not as sturdy. There is a martial art called Hwarangdo (spelling might be wrong), which was used by a military group in Korea which, I don't remember what they were called but it translated to the flowering boys/men, which uses a lot more kicking and curves and spins of the sword than the Japanese martial arts making it much flashier:

If you want to see Korean swordsmanship in action there is a movie on NetFlix right now called Kengo: Age of the Rampant, whose villain uses them quite elegantly. I'll see if I can find a clip of him using it.