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How would like them to handle God in DmC2?

Sparda's rejected son said:
imaginary sky fairy? Ya that's real smart and mature to say. >_>
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And comparing the holocaust; one of the worst things to happen in human history, to a Theist getting upset over a game depicting their God is a fair and logical comparison.

Rebel Dynasty said:
And for the record, there are Atheist a$$holes as well; I'm not saying you are one, but there are quite a few that seem to delight in calling others out on their beliefs, and picking fights over it without just reason.
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Using America as an example again; would you call the people in the civil rights movement arseholes for being loud and picking fights over the injustices they faced at the time? Now obviously there's a vast difference between that and how Atheists are treated, but the fact that you can't get elected in the US as an Atheist shows a real problem. Why would an oppressed minority not be vocal about its problems?
 
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Hang on, there.

I honestly don't believe that Atheism is an "Oppressed Minority". I really don't. Maybe in certain parts, they're looked down upon, but there are a lot of other religions out there (not saying Atheism is a religion) that are being a lot more oppressed, from what I've heard.

Do I like Theists? Not all that much.

Do I like Atheists? No, because they immediately dismiss even the possibility of anything... um... "Supernatural" or, "Anything that can't be explained by science alone" (which is more than you may think).

Therefore, I am Agnostic or, "New Age Spiritual Whatever" crap.

I believe that there is something out there, but like I said before, I'm not going to change my personal lifestyle or submit to it out of fear, regardless of how many people tell me I might go to hell.


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Note: Also, I won't dismiss anything considered "Spiritual" just because Atheists tell me do so, either. I don't like being told what to do... by anyone.

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Note 02: If you've seen "Enter the Void", that movie pretty much covers what I believe about the afterlife, only without the incarnation.

http://www.theoryofafterlife.com/pr...ion-how-awareness-and-memory-prove-afterlife/

[No, I don't believe in incarnation. In my opinion, one lifetime is quite enough, thank you.]

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So... nope. I'm not really a "Theist" -- do what you want, as long as you're not hurting anyone or have to act in self-defense.
 
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InfernalOverkill said:
And comparing the holocaust; one of the worst things to happen in human history, to a Theist getting upset over a game depicting their God is a fair and logical comparison.

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HUH?! I didn't actually read any of your posts, I just scrolled through them and saw that remark. So HUH?! I need context. But going back to the threads subject.

DMC/DmC can address "God" without causing a uproar. Again I say DMC4 handled it best. Again in the words of Nero:
"You know God I always hated that you made my arm like this....But it was made for sending guys (The False Savior) like you back to Hell!"

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Boo Yah!
 
InfernalOverkill said:
Using America as an example again; would you call the people in the civil rights movement arseholes for being loud and picking fights over the injustices they faced at the time? Now obviously there's a vast difference between that and how Atheists are treated, but the fact that you can't get elected in the US as an Atheist shows a real problem. Why would an oppressed minority not be vocal about its problems?
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Of course I wouldn't, but that wasn't what I was talking about to begin with.

Honestly, my point was that a$$holes exist in all walks of life, just as good, decent people do as well. Not all Christians (regardless of denominations, as there are many) are close-minded, hostile a$$-hats, and not all Atheists are "open-minded". In fact, many people mix Atheism and Agnosticism up; I've heard many people refer to themselves as the former, when they were actually the latter (believing in some things, uncertain about others, and not caring one way or another about everything else).

I do agree with you though, that it's ludicrous that an Atheist can't be elected. It begs the question though (as I'm not American, so I don't know exactly how this works) can anyone outside of Christianity who follows a different spirituality or religion be elected, or are they left out just as the Atheists are? Just curious, is all.

@Sparda's rejected son Lol, almost got it. :P "But now with it, I can destroy this thing; who would've thought!" It was later that he told Sanctus it was meant for sending "guys like him" back to hell. But, you more or less got it. ;)
 
Frostmourne said:
I believe that there is something out there, but like I said before, I'm not going to change my personal lifestyle or submit to it out of fear, regardless of how many people tell me I might go to hell.
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Sounds a lot like Deism. The only type of religious belief I have no contempt for :smile:

Sparda's rejected son said:
HUH?! I didn't actually read any of your posts, I just scrolled through them and saw that remark. So HUH?! I need context. But going back to the threads subject.
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The post where I referred to an "imaginary sky fairy" was a reply to someone likening a Theist's outrage for portrayals of their God in a game to the outrage that would be had over a game where you basically play as the SS-Totenkopfverbande. To me that's a ridiculous comparison.

Rebel Dynasty said:
Of course I wouldn't, but that wasn't what I was talking about to begin with.

Honestly, my point was that a$$holes exist in all walks of life, just as good, decent people do as well. Not all Christians (regardless of denominations, as there are many) are close-minded, hostile a$$-hats, and not all Atheists are "open-minded". In fact, many people mix Atheism and Agnosticism up; I've heard many people refer to themselves as the former, when they were actually the latter (believing in some things, uncertain about others, and not caring one way or another about everything else).

I do agree with you though, that it's ludicrous that an Atheist can't be elected. It begs the question though (as I'm not American, so I don't know exactly how this works) can anyone outside of Christianity who follows a different spirituality or religion be elected, or are they left out just as the Atheists are? Just curious, is all.
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I'd argue that there are no true Atheists. Saying "I'm 100% sure that there is no God, regardless of the fact that there is no proof that it doesn't exist" is as bad as a religious zealot who 100% believes that God exists regardless of the fact that there is no proof of its existence. I refer to myself as an Atheist because most people tend to think of Atheists as having no belief in God, and Agnostics as being undecided; well I'm 99.9% sure that there is no God, so I go with the classification that fits better, even if it's not a perfect fit.

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The fact that ANY of those groups have even 1 person unwilling to vote for them based on race, religious beliefs or sexuality is ridiculous. What's even more ridiculous is the fact that if someone went to a public venue and said they would never vote for a well-qualified person based on race, religion, gender or sexuality they would rightly be viewed as intolerant dinosaurs that should have died out about 60 years ago - but you come out and say "I will never vote for an Atheist" and that's just fine. And this is in a country that's supposed to have separation of church and state.

Take for example debates over morality that Christopher Hitchens did with various Theists, where they tried to argue that morality comes from religion and therefore an Atheist can't be moral, there was no moral outrage over these statements. Some Neo-Nazi bonehead on the other hand comes out and says "Jews are all money hungry rats and have no morality" and there's going to be a huge issue over it - and rightly so, because it's a moronic statement.

Why the double standard? Why is religion offered such a degree protection from everything? Various religious organisations attacked the plans for gay marriage here in the UK, but that's not intolerance because it's their belief? Ridiculous. Why then are white supremacists not allowed to rattle on about their belief that all non whites (or non Germanics, depending on which flavour you're dealing with) are untermensch? Is intolerance only allowed when it's rooted in religious belief?
 
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I thought this was all over and done with.

It's like arguing homosexuality. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean you need to hate it for all it stands for.

I hate how we can't have discussions like this because SOMEONE has to be so anal.
 
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I apologize to everyone that was offended by my comment about possibly making the Christianity God as a boss for the next DmC. I thought it would be an interesting idea since everyone (gamers, developers and critics) seem to like the idea of going up and besting deities (god of war series, the lords of shadow trilogy and classic series, and various other games) with a character that is demigod (Kratos), Prince of Darkness (Gabriel Belmont), and various other characters, so I thought it would have been interesting to best the 'one, true god'.
I am sorry to have offended people with strong religious views and causing a 'flame-war'.
 
Elijah Guerrero said:
I apologize to everyone that was offended by my comment about possibly making the Christianity God as a boss for the next DmC. I thought it would be an interesting idea since everyone (gamers, developers and critics) seem to like the idea of going up and besting deities (god of war series, the lords of shadow trilogy and classic series, and various other games) with a character that is demigod (Kratos), Prince of Darkness (Gabriel Belmont), and various other characters, so I thought it would have been interesting to best the 'one, true god'.
I am sorry to have offended people with strong religious views and causing a 'flame-war'.
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That wasn't what started the war, and it would be a ****ing metal fight
 
I stop watching this thread for a few hours and have an entire religious debate.

And also, please regardless of what you believe/dis-believe please be respectful of others beliefs/dis-beliefs.
 
Elijah Guerrero said:
I apologize to everyone that was offended by my comment about possibly making the Christianity God as a boss for the next DmC. I thought it would be an interesting idea since everyone (gamers, developers and critics) seem to like the idea of going up and besting deities (god of war series, the lords of shadow trilogy and classic series, and various other games) with a character that is demigod (Kratos), Prince of Darkness (Gabriel Belmont), and various other characters, so I thought it would have been interesting to best the 'one, true god'.
I am sorry to have offended people with strong religious views and causing a 'flame-war'.
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It's all good. This is how most threads here go; off the track and arguments in long paragraphs.
 
God seems like he'd JUST be king of the angels, not this whole religious all powerful being. Just king of the angels, which explains why he didnt even look at what was going on in the human world. The angels didn't care either!
Or maybe they were stuck with their own problems to WANT to help.

:devil::dead: :shifty: :angel: -Dont care!
 
Elijah Guerrero said:
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Agreed, and bonus points for the Nathan Explosion Dethklok reference.

>>Yamato<< said:
God seems like he'd JUST be king of the angels, not this whole religious all powerful being. Just king of the angels, which explains why he didnt even look at what was going on in the human world. The angels didn't care either!
Or maybe they were stuck with their own problems to WANT to help.
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It could be that angels and such would think that humans are beyond saving. From the perspective of a higher being, humanity, as a collective, is like a bunch of children who cause their own problems. It's the same justification Vergil used to want to rule, except angels could use it as the reason they want to stay out of human problems.
 
Agreed with the previous poster. This is a very sensitive topic to a lot of people, and I'd rather have them not use it at all. I could only see that go horribly wrong in terms of media coverage, to be honest, because I don't think that in a DmC game, an all-loving God would make much sense. And the opposite of that would cause a major crapstorm.

To be honest, I'd prefer to see them delve deeper into the idea of other nephilim like Dante and Vergil. I still don't know how I'd want Vergil to make his return (perhaps in completely seperate missions) but I'd certainly love to witness some sort of descend into madness. Downfall hinted at it, but I want more. Evil Vergil, hell yeah! *fans self*

I digress, I also want to see a change in Kat. I liked how mysterious she was with the hoodie and all that, but I saw some concept art of her looking mighty badass and I'd love to see that side of her too, while still retaining her personality, of course.

But to go back on the whole God thing- I would like to see angels, or at least more mentions of them. Vergil already said 'there have always been angels, and there have always been demons, and they have always been at war'. I would love to know more of that.
 
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Off-topic:

Alright. Another P4G fan.

P5 can't come soon enough (I wrote a DmC-ish parody where Yu Narukami was a "grim n' gritty badass" and called my game idea "per5ona").

'Cause spelling with numbers iz kewl.

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Side note: I predicted accurately in my parody that there would be "prisoners" involved --

I also wrote that Narukami had bright red hair and was chained to a hospital bed... sounds like I thought of both the "slave" theme AND Sho Minazuki (inadvertently) BEFORE IT EVEN HAPPENED --

... Maybe I should guess the lottery numbers while I'm at it.
 
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