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How would like them to handle God in DmC2?

Sparda's rejected son said:
Sorry ya Scantus a human was posing as "God." Sparda was known as a powerful demon but not a or the"God". Berial is talking about the concept of "God". When Nero says he hated God for making his arm like that he was not referring to Sparda or the Savior but rather "God".
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Atheists talk about the concept of God all the time. For all we know the DMC universe could have no type of God whatsoever, and supernatural beings such as Dante and Berial are aware of this, which is why they find humanity's belief so ridiculous.

Try to stick the Abrahamic religions into DMC or DmC . Mundus would be sitting there thinking "so this Lucifer bloke is supposed to be trapped in the 9th circle of Hell huh? Well I've been all over and haven't seen him", it really just doesn't work.
 
This is why games can never reach true maturity. The creators are too cowardly to tackle the tough issues like established religion and are too worried about people's "feelings".

Backlash should never be a factor when dealing with important an important message. Ever.

Grandia II wasn't afraid to point out the zealously (and rampant corruption) within the church... why should we stop there??
 
Frostmourne said:
This is why games can never reach true maturity. The creators are too cowardly to tackle the tough issues like established religion and are too worried about people's "feelings".

Backlash should never be a factor when dealing with important an important message. Ever.

Grandia II wasn't afraid to point out the zealously (and rampant corruption) within the church... why should we stop there??
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Because backlash could either make or break a game's sales. DmC is a prime example of that.

And it's not so much feelings as it is respect for a person's belief. It's like if someone made a game about the holocaust and showed people being tortured and killed brutally. Would you expect ex-prisoners to NOT be mad about that? Or what if they made a game where its the slave times and you had to play as a slave owner and beat that slave with a whip to gain trophies. Is that really something that you don't think would make people angry?
 
DragonMaster2010 said:
Because backlash could either make or break a game's sales. DmC is a prime example of that.

And it's not so much feelings as it is respect for a person's belief. It's like if someone made a game about the holocaust and showed people being tortured and killed brutally. Would you expect ex-prisoners to NOT be mad about that? Or what if they made a game where its the slave times and you had to play as a slave owner and beat that slave with a whip to gain trophies. Is that really something that you don't think would make people angry?
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^ It's a fair point, though first-person shooters don't seem to have any issue with touching on darker, more controversial themes.

Not saying that's necessarily a good thing, however. The examples you gave are certainly unacceptable; if they were to ever put God in a DmC sequel, they'd need to present him as objectively as possible. Of course, even in a respectful light, there would be backlash, but it would probably be less severe, at the very least.
 
DragonMaster2010 said:
And it's not so much feelings as it is respect for a person's belief. It's like if someone made a game about the holocaust and showed people being tortured and killed brutally. Would you expect ex-prisoners to NOT be mad about that? Or what if they made a game where its the slave times and you had to play as a slave owner and beat that slave with a whip to gain trophies. Is that really something that you don't think would make people angry?
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The difference between your examples and religion is that stuff actually happened. Theists getting mad over a game including their imaginary sky fairy is illogical and just shows the immaturity of the followers of Abrahamic religions.
How many Odinists rioted over Loki being tossed around like a rag doll in Avengers? Or Thor being portrayed as a moron in comics?
 
InfernalOverkill said:
The difference between your examples and religion is that stuff actually happened. Theists getting mad over a game including their imaginary sky fairy is illogical and just shows the immaturity of the followers of Abrahamic religions.
How many Odinists rioted over Loki being tossed around like a rag doll in Avengers? Or Thor being portrayed as a moron in comics?
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^ Also a fair point; when I mentioned noticing a double standard in an earlier post, things along this line came to mind. Not Odinists specifically, but pretty much every religion or spirituality that's supposed to just grin and bear it, when Hollywood and the rest of society misinterprets their belief systems.

I get annoyed with some of it (it's kind of sad that there are still people who believe the pentagram/pentacle are symbols of devil worship, for example) but I think it's important for people to take these things with a grain of salt. The bigger the fuss made, the more likely people will continue to misinterpret it...if for no other reason than they don't know any better.
 
InfernalOverkill said:
The difference between your examples and religion is that stuff actually happened. Theists getting mad over a game including their imaginary sky fairy is illogical and just shows the immaturity of the followers of Abrahamic religions.
How many Odinists rioted over Loki being tossed around like a rag doll in Avengers? Or Thor being portrayed as a moron in comics?
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Jee, thanks for calling the religion I follow an "imaginary sky fairy" -_-
 
InfernalOverkill said:
Why should I be tolerant to one of the most intolerant concepts in history?
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Because a vocal minority does not represent the majority. I don't have a problem with atheists, I just have a problem when people look down on religion as "fairy tales". It ****es me off to no end.

IF I DON'T GO AROUND MOCKING YOU FOR NOT BELIEVING IN ANYTHING, DON'T MOCK MY BELIEFS!
 
TerrorA said:
Because a vocal minority does not represent the majority. I don't have a problem with atheists, I just have a problem when people look down on religion as "fairy tales". It ****es me off to no end.

IF I DON'T GO AROUND MOCKING YOU FOR NOT BELIEVING IN ANYTHING, DON'T MOCK MY BELIEFS!
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Using all caps doesn't help your point.:laugh:
 
DragonMaster2010 said:
If I can respect an Atheist's disbelief, then one would think there'd be equal respect in that manner.
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Atheists tend not to shove our beliefs on other people unless it's relevant to the discussion. My original post regarding religion was relevant to your post, and true. You can't deny that Christians and Muslims love to take offence at anything they can, and like to think of themselves as the victims as often as possible even though the opposite is true in most cases. I left Jews out of that because for a lot of human history they actually have been systematically victimised.

There was a survey in the US a little while back regarding the intolerance of the general population to certain types of people over the years. The question was "If your party nominated a generally well-qualified person for president who happened to be X, would you vote for them?. A black candidate in 1958 only had 38% of people willing to vote yes, and in 2012 that rose to 96 - because people nowadays generally aren't racist arseholes. Atheists? 18% in 1958, 54% in 2012. In 2012 58% of people said they would be fine with voting in a Muslim. Now think about just how much intolerance and ignorance there is in the US towards Muslims post 9/11, and yet somehow an Atheist is still less likely to be elected as POTUS than a Muslim.



You may be rational enough to respect the fact that other people in the world will have different beliefs than you, but the vast majority of Theists in the world are not. And that's why Atheists don't respect Theists - not only have Theists all over the world/throughout time not done anything to earn respect for their beliefs, they've done things to actively discourage outsiders to respect their beliefs.
 
Well, that escalated quickly....

Weren't we talking about whether God should be put in DmC2, and if he was, how it should be handled? ^^; Yeah, let's just go back to that...

And for the record, there are Atheist a$$holes as well; I'm not saying you are one, but there are quite a few that seem to delight in calling others out on their beliefs, and picking fights over it without just reason.

In short, being an a$$hole isn't exclusive to one religious group. The people that use their beliefs or their lack of beliefs as justification for treating people badly are the a$$holes; no one else should be raked over the coals for what a few loud- mouths have said or done.
 
InfernalOverkill said:
Atheists tend not to shove our beliefs on other people unless it's relevant to the discussion. My original post regarding religion was relevant to your post, and true. You can't deny that Christians and Muslims love to take offence at anything they can, and like to think of themselves as the victims as often as possible even though the opposite is true in most cases. I left Jews out of that because for a lot of human history they actually have been systematically victimised.
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Yeah SOME do. Not all. It's like saying all black people like chicken. Not every black person does. It seems like you're problem isn't the religion, but the people in the religion, which I can agree on. Religion now a days is just used for playing the victim and extortion.

However, that doesn't mean I'm the same as say Westboro Church, or those insane Jesus freaks who haven't even picked up and read a bible.

But whatever then. So sorry I have a belief in something that you don't like. I'll just end this right here.

Carry on with the thread's intended discussion.
 
InfernalOverkill said:
The difference between your examples and religion is that stuff actually happened. Theists getting mad over a game including their imaginary sky fairy is illogical and just shows the immaturity of the followers of Abrahamic religions.
How many Odinists rioted over Loki being tossed around like a rag doll in Avengers? Or Thor being portrayed as a moron in comics?
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imaginary sky fairy? Ya that's real smart and mature to say. >_>
 
By not putting it in there at all. Too much offense still gets taken at the slightest smell of that already. Plus it would probably just be too close to the Judeo-Christian stuff instead of coming up with something more imaginitive. Like putting angels in DmC at all, no need if you ask me.

The original DMC never alluded to any God. Or that the closest thing to it would have actually been the emperor of hell, Mundus. A supernatural deity/world and a natural world.

But if there had to be God I'd prefer a neutral one - or one that was just as bad as the demons for starting wars and vendettas. Like say the idea in that Constantine film - the angels and their side are just as batshit as the other side.
 
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