How much of DMC's gameplay is in DmC?

[aoshi]

Great, now you don't agree to wiki...Even though its technically referred in many games that grappling is indeed to throw and yet you state a throw isn't a grapple....Hilarious.

Intention of a grapple is to throw(in fighting games). There is no result if each others were jus struggling/getting control. No one will enter a grapple and not follow it up with a throw. Ofcourse with cancel mechanics, a grapple can be cancelled if game allows it.

Your defense is as silly as a middle school kid arguing multiplication and addition are very different when mathematically, multiplication is addition in essence.

Freaking hilarious.

 

[Chancey289]

Because grappling and throwing are the same thing......

 

[Jak]

a thread on grappling. how riveting.
anyhow, back on point. DmC for the most part, is its own game. sure there are controls that seem FAMILIAR to the classic DMC, but at the end of the day (to me) they feel like different games for the most part. i think its because i use lock on so often. that intensifies the combat. and its faster paced. DmC feels like arkham city but with no freeflow focus.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Great, now you don't agree to wiki...Even though its technically referred in many games that grappling is indeed to throw and yet you state a throw isn't a grapple....Hilarious.

Aoshi, I'm getting tired of how you do not seem to grasp how English works. Or maybe you're just annoyingly stubborn.

Despite me myself believing that wikipedia is still often a proper source of information, given that you can follow the actual sources, you yourself linked to an article and then seemingly didn't comprehend what was actually in the article.

Quite referencing fighting games for this, because they are often quite wrong when referring to broad terms - especially considering each character in a fighting game has different fighting styles, and therefor sometimes what is mechanically referred to as a "throw" or "grapple" is aesthetically and fundamentally different from them.

What you keep mentioning for a "throw" is of course one part of a grapple in fighters, the first part of it being the "grab," which it is also commonly referred to as. Grapple is another word for grabbing, and grappling in martial arts terms entails many types of grabs.

However, a throw is a throw. It is not a grapple. It is a technique used from particular grappling maneuvers.

In the end though, that's not even what Malik was talking about, and you're essentially trying to strawman the discussion with bullsh!t. Grappling most often refers to the art of holding, and considering he was referring to the Ophion chains, which are a grappling hook-like weapon, you should be able to muster up the limited amount of common sense necessary to grasp what he was talking about.

Get that through your goddamn head, and quit offhandedly insulting people who argue with you over things that you are explicitly wrong about.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

Are we really arguing about the meaning of the word grapple?

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Aoshi is. The rest of us are weeping for the misunderstood English language.

 

[aoshi]

Aoshi, I'm getting tired of how you do not seem to grasp how English works. Or maybe you're just annoyingly stubborn.

Despite me myself believing that wikipedia is still often a proper source of information, given that you can follow the actual sources, you yourself linked to an article and then seemingly didn't comprehend what was actually in the article.

Quite referencing fighting games for this, because they are often quite wrong when referring to broad terms - especially considering each character in a fighting game has different fighting styles, and therefor sometimes what is mechanically referred to as a "throw" or "grapple" is aesthetically and fundamentally different from them.

What you keep mentioning for a "throw" is of course one part of a grapple in fighters, the first part of it being the "grab," which it is also commonly referred to as. Grapple is another word for grabbing, and grappling in martial arts terms entails many types of grabs.

However, a throw is a throw. It is not a grapple. It is a technique used from particular grappling maneuvers.

In the end though, that's not even what Malik was talking about, and you're essentially trying to strawman the discussion with bullsh!t. Grappling most often refers to the art of holding, and considering he was referring to the Ophion chains, which are a grappling hook-like weapon, you should be able to muster up the limited amount of common sense necessary to grasp what he was talking about.

Get that through your goddamn head, and quit offhandedly insulting people who argue with you over things that you are explicitly wrong about.

I don't need to explain anymore of significance of grapple/throw in fighting games.

Here's something you should know, You have been on my ignore for very long time. Yet, i jus check if you quote me for whatever reasons and for most its a bait into another non-sense with you throwing a hissy-fit of getting offended.Cry yourself a river if you don't understand wiki references i just gave. A person who is involved in a throw is called a grappler. Again, in wiki reference. Go play WWE games or atleast know what grapples are for.

Jus don't reply to me if you don't want to engage in a discussion with me. I am gladly ignoring your non-sense.

You f*cking cry baby.....

 

[Exejpgwmv]

Aoshi, I'm getting tired of how you do not seem to grasp how English works. Or maybe you're just annoyingly stubborn.

Despite me myself believing that wikipedia is still often a proper source of information, given that you can follow the actual sources, you yourself linked to an article and then seemingly didn't comprehend what was actually in the article.

Quite referencing fighting games for this, because they are often quite wrong when referring to broad terms - especially considering each character in a fighting game has different fighting styles, and therefor sometimes what is mechanically referred to as a "throw" or "grapple" is aesthetically and fundamentally different from them.

What you keep mentioning for a "throw" is of course one part of a grapple in fighters, the first part of it being the "grab," which it is also commonly referred to as. Grapple is another word for grabbing, and grappling in martial arts terms entails many types of grabs.

However, a throw is a throw. It is not a grapple. It is a technique used from particular grappling maneuvers.

In the end though, that's not even what Malik was talking about, and you're essentially trying to strawman the discussion with bullsh!t. Grappling most often refers to the art of holding, and considering he was referring to the Ophion chains, which are a grappling hook-like weapon, you should be able to muster up the limited amount of common sense necessary to grasp what he was talking about.

Get that through your goddamn head, and quit offhandedly insulting people who argue with you over things that you are explicitly wrong about.

I was going to reply to him, but you seem to have summed up my feelings perfectly. Thank you.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

All this...because of grappling hooks...

 

[TWOxACROSS]

a bunch of garbage, essentially

Stop referencing f#cking video games you ignorant, English-as-a-second-language dullard!

You're confusing everything simply because throws are a part of grappling, even though grappling is one completely different part of grappling, hence why it's called a throw in the first place.

In regards to ignoring, have fun, but don't go spouting bullsh!t and not expect someone to call you out on it.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

I don't need to explain anymore of significance of grapple/throw in fighting games.

Here's something you should know, You have been on my ignore for very long time. Yet, i jus check if you quote me for whatever reasons and for most its a bait into another non-sense with you throwing a hissy-fit of getting offended.Cry yourself a river if you don't understand wiki references i just gave. A person who is involved in a throw is called a grappler. Again, in wiki reference. Go play WWE games or atleast know what grapples are for.

Jus don't reply to me if you don't want to engage in a discussion with me. I am gladly ignoring your non-sense.

You f*cking cry baby.....

Multiple people on here, including me, have explained and proven to you that grapple or grappling simply means to seize or grab something. NOT just to throw something. I have given you multiple links from websites dedicated to defining words that have the same definition that I just described.
So right now you seem more like a baby than anyone else here, because apparently you aren't mature enough to admit that your wrong.

All this...because of grappling hooks...

It's not like weirder things haven't happened.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Yeah, there was that one time...with the thing. Ho man. And you were all...and we thought he died. Turns out he was just sleeping in the trunk.

I still never found my sock.

 

[Chancey289]

Yeah, there was that one time...with the thing. Ho man. And you were all...and we thought he died. Turns out he was just sleeping in the trunk.

I still never found my sock.

And that's how I lost my virginity.

 

[Exejpgwmv]

a thread on grappling. how riveting.
anyhow, back on point. DmC for the most part, is its own game. sure there are controls that seem FAMILIAR to the classic DMC, but at the end of the day (to me) they feel like different games for the most part. i think its because i use lock on so often. that intensifies the combat. and its faster paced. DmC feels like arkham city but with no freeflow focus.

Fair enough. But I think the main reason it might feel slower or clunkier is because if you look closely you'll see that Dante in DmC pauses between each strike.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Fair enough. But I think the main reason it might feel slower or clunkier is because if you look closely you'll see that Dante in DmC pauses between each strike.

ChaserTech and MarioTaz actually did a little collab thing, and found that DmC's attacks are actually faster than DMC4's (what they used for comparison), but because of the slight pause it comes out a little bit slower. I thought that was kinda interesting :tongue:

 

[MKH Spartan]

Damn, if I was a moderator, I'd just straight close this thread with how it is going lol.....

Also, no lock on in DmC is infuriating for the record, I think the combat would be a lot better if they simply added that.

Also, they need to make hard bosses, not "I hit DT and win" bosses "looks at Hunter boss on Mission 1".

Only boss fight I enjoyed on DmC was the boss fight against Vergil, which was quite fun, with the exception of it putting a billion cutscenes in randomly while fighting.

The whole game needs a difficulty upgrade actually to be honest.....

 

[Pale Rider]

Well, apart from a couple of basic moves, I dont' really see anything DMC in DmC. DmC feels different, and it is different. I guess it's alright to call it a stand-alone game with DMC sticker slapped onto it.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Fooooooooooound it. Got sidetracked.

 

[EllDawn]

I never even looked that deep into what was the same. I knew a lot of the attacks looked the same as in the original series. It was pretty obvious. But I never really looked into it. Thanks for listing them.

And on grappling, go to youtube and do a search for MMA grappling. I used to watch some MMA with my mom and brother and that's how a lot of the fights were. Grappling, very little throwing.

 

[aoshi]

And on grappling, go to youtube and do a search for MMA grappling. I used to watch some MMA with my mom and brother and that's how a lot of the fights were. Grappling, very little throwing.

MMA isn't best example for grapple/throw comparison. Its called Mixed-martial-arts for a reason. Grapple is a typical wrestling move. And MMA hardly uses wrestling techniques.Grapple in MMAs are generally submission holds which is one form of grappling technique. And so is throw.

Here:
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/tekken5/movelist.php?id=king

See what's listed under grappling arts. Stuff like suplex,power-bomb, Pile-driver. They are not listed seperately as 'Throws' but fall under 'grappling' category.