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Gbraga
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I agree, they must. And I already stated my concerns about the story, that I have reasons to believe will be disappointing and shallow. Game stories in general are pretty much garbage, so I tend to focus more on gameplay, and it's even more inevitable coming from a fighting games and hack'n'slash background. Even if DmC had the best story ever, I would still be buying it for the gameplay, because that's why I play hack'n'slash games, if the story is good that's a bonus, but I would never say that DmC is better than DMC3 because of the story alone, even the gameplay being several notches down.
I won't play the same game for 5 years like I did with DMC4 just for the story, after so many times you already know the story and every dialogue, it's something else that brings you back, and that's the kind of compelling experience I seek from this genre.
My 2012 Game of the Year is The Walking Dead, so you can see that I do value nicely written games.
ChaserTech
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Whoa whoa whoa. If I recall, games such as Skyward Sword, Xenoblade Chronicles, even Transformers: Fall of Cybertron had some good stories. I wouldn't generalize all game stories so easily.
Gbraga
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Yes, there are some pretty good stories out there, but most of them are terrible, that's undeniable. I remember being vastly disappointed about what has become of the God of War series' story when I was playing III, and it was pretty good in the first game.
if you were the company and want to sell the game you wouldnt do just a game about gameplay and a swallow story.
Because there must be top 100k hardcore DMC player.
And they are all fine with ''BLOODY PALACE''
But the company wants newcomers (fps,rpg.. players) to buy the game too. Thats why DmC is good for begginers.
They gave you the best gameplay (weapon-movement wise) game ,DMC3, and now nobody can accept a new one.
DMC4 was unacceptable one too by hardcores.
Thats why they need story, and also Capcom really wanted to get away that JAPANESE, dragonball-like Dante cutscenes and make it worldwide accepted. I know that.
Because there must be top 100k hardcore DMC player.
And they are all fine with ''BLOODY PALACE''
But the company wants newcomers (fps,rpg.. players) to buy the game too. Thats why DmC is good for begginers.
They gave you the best gameplay (weapon-movement wise) game ,DMC3, and now nobody can accept a new one.
DMC4 was unacceptable one too by hardcores.
Thats why they need story, and also Capcom really wanted to get away that JAPANESE, dragonball-like Dante cutscenes and make it worldwide accepted. I know that.
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
...I could argue GoW's story being really great in the first, being that Kratos was just another rendition of Heracles with a few nasty twists, but that's my view on it, nothing to go into here. Most games with indepth really good stories tend to be console RPGs like the classic pre-Sony Final Fantasys, particularly 6. DmC's looking to have a deeper story to it than teh original, since DMC1 didn't exactly get very deep into the story.
ChaserTech
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I'm not "fine" with only bloody palace. That is an extreme understatement.
I want a DMC game with both good story AND good gameplay. DMC3 had both, although the story still needed some work.
If the gameplay just degrades over time while the story only becomes better, then I'll just watch YouTube videos about it.
Just like how I will with DmC.
In terms of story, yes. It was mediocre.
In terms of gameplay, I don't think so.
People still play it to this day.
8BitHero
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Generally the rule for any game. Why people still prefer Third Strike over SF4 or A Link to the Past over Skyward Sword. Because there's mechanics/gameplay or story that's better than the latest iteration but that's not to say the latest game is bad by any means. Some people bitch about DmC yet don't realise DMC4 isn't going anywhere. Capcom released Super SF2: Turbo 20 years ago and that' still being played in tournaments. DMC4 may very well be the Super Turbo of that series. It doesn't matter how many variations we get of DMC or straight sequels because DMC4 is probably the the pinnacle of the series that'll never be topped.
Dante Redgrave
Son of Sparda
DMC4 has now started kicking my ass because I hadn't played it in so long. @_@ Bloody Ophion tricking me out when I try to play Nero and forget the gun/Bringer separate buttons...
Thats my point.
Only hardcore players would still play it. Tho Dante have only a few weapons.
Story heavy-balanced games cant be done by watching it on youtube.
The purpose is make you to be a part of the story and live the movie.
Maybe its not a good example but it has VERY different feel between playin Heavy Rain on your console and watch it on youtube walkthrous..
EDIT: must add: If Heavy Rain game was just a movie, it would be a standart 6/10 movie. But they are making you to be a part of the game (or live the game), that makes it amazing.
Only hardcore players would still play it. Tho Dante have only a few weapons.
Story heavy-balanced games cant be done by watching it on youtube.
The purpose is make you to be a part of the story and live the movie.
Maybe its not a good example but it has VERY different feel between playin Heavy Rain on your console and watch it on youtube walkthrous..
EDIT: must add: If Heavy Rain game was just a movie, it would be a standart 6/10 movie. But they are making you to be a part of the game (or live the game), that makes it amazing.
Gbraga
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I kinda agree, and I was very excited for what Ninja Theory could bring to the table, specially after the FANTASTIC TGS 2011 Extended Trailer, but then more and more they showed a shallow plot and storyline with the "social commentary" being just a They Live/Fight Club rip-off, with no depth or originality whatsoever. I'm not interested in Good vs Evil and "LET'S STOP MUNDUS!!", but I was very excited for a story about corporations and the media and the way they pull the strings from behind the curtains, but looks like they couldn't make a story as good as their concept, just like Deus Ex: Human Revolution, where the trailers were actually more interesting than the actual game's story.
If the **** YOOOOOOOOOOOOU is all there is to the actual storyline, I'd actually like DMC3's story more, because at least it wasn't pretentious. So far from what we have from DmC, it's pretty much "THE MEDIA IS EVIL, NOW LET'S FOCUS IN THIS CLICHE ANGEL VS DEMONS CONFLICT". I'm still willing to give the game a chance in that department, can't wait to play it myself, but after Ian confirming that at least from what he've played of the game (the first half), the story is pretty much what I described, which is a real waste of good source material, I'm not really excited for it anymore. I'm a BIG Fight Club fan, so you can imagine how disappointed I'd be after what they hinted if the final product is poor.
You don't start a discussion about corporations and the media being bad if you have nothing to bring to the table, if you just throw that in there and don't touch the subject again, it's just pretentious and shallow. People were already "eehhh" when they revealed The Order, saying they were pretty much throwing Anonymous and Occupy in the mix, and I thought it was silly, because it's just a revolutionary group fighting against the estabilished power, like we had many times throughout history, but again, if the storyline is shallow and they're just there, then I can't help but agree that they're just throwing things in the mix to make it look smarter. You don't make a story-driven hack'n'slash with unskippable cutscenes if the story is bad. I just finished Max Payne 3, and even though the gunplay was great, it was a chore to play through the game because I basically watched it, the amount of cutscenes (most of them unnecessary and unskippable) are completely absurd and killed every replay factor of the game. There are some clever things in the writing, but not enough to make me sit through it several times if I want to replay the game for the shooting.
Completely agree, but again, that's because of the gameplay, not story. Interacting with the story and the psychological pressure the game puts you through is awesome, the story is meh.
Dmc3 doesnt have a story. At least we can say ''poor''. It was all about jokes, action, Dante character (not deep). It would be like saying ''Story of Bruce Lee movies are awesome (for action cutscnes)'' or ''Charlie Sheen movies are so funny it has incredivle stories (for jokes)''
Dmc4 has an interesting idea ''using magic to make the armors become alive'' but that was it. It was the whole concept.
DmC has so many details. And for a DMC material, thats the top level.
Demons enslaves and feeding with humans souls. Humans cant see them. But they are hiding between them. They control elements of the real life. Kat is a psychic who can see demons. Dante has a detailed bad backstory. Vergil has also one. Mundus Lilith and the baby also has another story...etc.
They got my respect.
Dmc4 has an interesting idea ''using magic to make the armors become alive'' but that was it. It was the whole concept.
DmC has so many details. And for a DMC material, thats the top level.
Demons enslaves and feeding with humans souls. Humans cant see them. But they are hiding between them. They control elements of the real life. Kat is a psychic who can see demons. Dante has a detailed bad backstory. Vergil has also one. Mundus Lilith and the baby also has another story...etc.
They got my respect.
ChaserTech
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Dante had styles, which added A LOT of moves for him.
Overall, I believe he has around 85 - 100 moves. Which is certainly a lot to work with.
I did it with Darkness II, God of War III, Transformers: Fall of Cybertron, Alice: Madness Returns, and Catherine.
I understand the story based on what I've watched during the cutscenes and the gameplay.
I already don't like how DmC gameplay is since I don't like how clunky it is. Nor do I like on how simplified the combat is. It's a preference of mine so I'm not gonna waste my money on buying the game. So my mind is made up about watching videos of it on YouTube just to understand the full story behind it.
If you can't understand this, then I'm sorry. This is what I do whenever I don't have money to buy a game that I want or when I dislike a game.
ChaserTech
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Catherine is amazing though
The gamepaly is great, very challenging, and the multiplayer is surprisingly good! Dacidbro <3
Yeah I was interested in the story, but I didn't want to waste my money on it since I generally like action/fighter based games.
I do play shooters and RPGs as well though.
ChaserTech, you say you are a action/fighter game. And you dont wanna waste your money with DmC.
What action/fighter game did you buy last year?
I dont see any better game neither right now nor later.
''I did it with God of War III, Transformers...''
Then you did it wrong.
For the company, you are a hardcore player and you are not that important. The important thing is not to switch between styles (hard control). Easy control game is more important (taking all styles into one).
Just like modern fighting games adding ''easy inputs'' to the game so more people can play the game.
What action/fighter game did you buy last year?
I dont see any better game neither right now nor later.
''I did it with God of War III, Transformers...''
Then you did it wrong.
For the company, you are a hardcore player and you are not that important. The important thing is not to switch between styles (hard control). Easy control game is more important (taking all styles into one).
Just like modern fighting games adding ''easy inputs'' to the game so more people can play the game.
Blacko
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I do not making comparaison between a script in a game with movie/TV show/Books. Because like you said gameplay change it all. It's like the story only needs charismatics characters, dialogues and good ideas and it's enough. For exemple for me AC3, RDR, Heavy Rain, Final Fantasy VII, Mass Effect and all have great gaming stories, but that's some stories only made for the game.
Right now I'm playing Far Cry 3, I do not like FPS, but this one got the Daryl's Walking Dead's kind of vibe, good narration and all. Nothing like Victor Hugo, but it DOES the job to sent you in this universe. DmC seems to do a better job than the others DMC in this category. It's enough for me.
Right now I'm playing Far Cry 3, I do not like FPS, but this one got the Daryl's Walking Dead's kind of vibe, good narration and all. Nothing like Victor Hugo, but it DOES the job to sent you in this universe. DmC seems to do a better job than the others DMC in this category. It's enough for me.
Gbraga
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Well, Platinum has Revengeance, w101 e Bayo 2 coming, I'm sure the three of them will be godlike.
Red Dead Redemption's writing is truly fantastic.
ChaserTech
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Please don't put words in my mouth. I said I GENERALLY like action/fighter games. I never said I only play action/fighter games. I enjoy plenty of different genres.
And in terms of fighters, I don't buy games often. But I'd much rather play Darksiders II instead of DmC since I've been checking out the combat system for awhile. And it's very appealing to me. Unlike DmC.
That's your opinion.
Again, That's your opinion.
If I understand the story, even though I didn't play the game myself, then that's just alright for me.
I can generally figure out if I'll like a certain game by looking videos, cutscenes, and gameplay footage.
DmC is not the first game that I've done this with.
Fair enough, but my main point is that Dante had more styles to accommodate for his weapons, giving him more moves. That is all.