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DmC, my thoughts on the reboot

8BitHero said:
But that's the point of DmC, since it's a retelling, it's using the characters names to put them in different situations. In the same way Peter Parker is an iconic name with his Spiderman symbol, yet has been re-created multiple times in different universe to the point he's now a very young teenager who's black with a new name. I think some people forget that the point of DmC is supposed to be an interesting twist(and alternate universe) in which the icons are changed but you can still feel the presence of the original source material.

Ever watched the modern film adaptation of Romeo and Juliet?
"WTF these characters don't use guns and drive cars in the original Shakespeare story" well...no obviously not because it's supposed to have the essence of the source material but turned into sub-product using an alternate universe. There's also an alternate universe in comic books where (What-if)Superman landed in Russia. The Red Son series even changed the iconic Superman symbol into a sickle and hammer(Dantes hair changing from black to white).

I honestly don't understand how to basic concept of retelling stories with a twist could've been missed by so many people. Comics(Batgirl now a transgender), films(King Kong 2005), books(Pride and Prejudice Zombies), games(Alice: Madness Returns) have all done this.
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sorry i dont follow a mindset where more than one character can be the same exact character e.g ntdante and original dante being same character.
so what if they have similarities, thats just similarities.
the only thing validating these two characters as same character is just license holder.

if i made a character named dante, was a female with long white hair and she used a crossbow as missile weapon and a rapier as melee weapon, and she was half human and half demon, and liked eating pizza and made comments like dante in original serie do.
could and should my character be interpreted as same character as original dante
or woudl i need a piece of paper to make that dream true.
my point...similarities is irelevant and only big thing that is helping to validate ntdante as same character as original dante is a piece of paper that a greedy company is holding and enforcing onto people.
i guess u can accept if capcom says they are the same character, but does that mean that you as an individual who have thoughts on the subject truly agree with capcom had they not had the license for the character?

i dont believe in two dante existing who have similarities but also differences, and they both at same time are the same character.
i view ninja theorys dante, as ntdante...a dante made by nt. a different character i.e not same character.

fictional characters arent alive, but i apply the mindset that even though there are many humans who are alike we are at the end of day different as individuals.
and we arent copies of eachother nor are we a different copies of eachother.

i dont believe in what you believe in. just because you have proof that more than one type of superman has been created doesnt necessarily mean that they all are the same character as the very first superman created.
retcons is done to appeal to people. a way to earn money. i heard the black spiderman had such objective.


i think its a complex issue. i am open to possibility of my mindset being wrong. but i dont feel that i am wrong.
 
IncarnatedDemon said:
sorry i dont follow a mindset where more than one character can be the same exact character e.g ntdante and original dante being same character.
so what if they have similarities, thats just similarities.
the only thing validating these two characters as same character is just license holder.

if i made a character named dante, was a female with long white hair and she used a crossbow as missile weapon and a rapier as melee weapon, and she was half human and half demon, and liked eating pizza and made comments like dante in original serie do.
could and should my character be interpreted as same character as original dante
or woudl i need a piece of paper to make that dream true.
my point...similarities is irelevant and only big thing that is helping to validate ntdante as same character as original dante is a piece of paper that a greedy company is holding and enforcing onto people.
i guess u can accept if capcom says they are the same character, but does that mean that you as an individual who have thoughts on the subject truly agree with capcom had they not had the license for the character?

i dont believe in two dante existing who have similarities but also differences, and they both at same time are the same character.
i view ninja theorys dante, as ntdante...a dante made by nt. a different character i.e not same character.

fictional characters arent alive, but i apply the mindset that even though there are many humans who are alike we are at the end of day different as individuals.
and we arent copies of eachother nor are we a different copies of eachother.

i dont believe in what you believe in. just because you have proof that more than one type of superman has been created doesnt necessarily mean that they all are the same character as the very first superman created.
retcons is done to appeal to people. a way to earn money. i heard the black spiderman had such objective.


i think its a complex issue. i am open to possibility of my mindset being wrong. but i dont feel that i am wrong.
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What's so hard to understand? It's fiction and they can do whatever the f#ck they want with it. It's not that you don't understand it's just you don't want to accept it because you don't like it. Boo hoo.

Geez and it's not like DmC's version is really that different. The original Dante had about as much complexity of a coloring book. What really makes Dante Dante.

-cocky and talks smack to demons- check
-had 2 guns and a sword-check
-has a sense of justice- check
-spouts the occasional cheesy one liner-check
-basically a superhero capable of over the top feats-check

So, looking at what's at least vital to Dante's little characterization, DmC totally has that for him. It's virtually the same exact Dante except he's not trying to be some anime ninja turtle anymore. And DmC's Dante is a more dynamic character with more depth than any version of him.

Is it the best version I've ever seen? Well, I think the subtle yet cocky DMC 1 version is the best but that's just me. My imagination at the time helped me fill in the blanks and add more to him at the time. DMC 3 and 4 was the games that just made him stupid and killed it for me. (Not game because I love 3, but character wise)

Looking at it from a technical standpoint yea, DmC's version totally has more to him. Because at least there's a coherent plot with decent characterization. Capcom is f#cking wonky and doesn't know sh!t about story telling. You can even just look at Resident Evil for that evidence.

To say DmC's version of Dante is not Dante in any way shape or form makes me think you've never played Devil May Cry. You seem to be more of a fan of that ugly giraffe lady so maybe you didn't.
 
Jak said:
i'm sorry but i'm not too fond of the new 52. earth one is the only DC that matters...as for marvel...both mainstream and ultimate suck right now
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Allow mew to present my calm, unbiased opinion of the new 52. *ahem*

**** THE NEW 52! **** SUPERWONDER! **** ERASING CASSANDRA CAIN, WALLY WEST, OBSIDIAN, JADE, LIAN HARPER, RYAN CHOI, ELONGATED MAN, AND BOTH AQUALAD! **** ERASING EVERY SINGLE TITAN TEAM AND 20 YEARS OF CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!

(deadly calm)

If given half a chance, I would personally go up to the DC editors who thought of "Flashpoint" and personally beat them over the head with a pillowcase filled with loose change.
 
Chancey289 said:
What really makes Dante Dante.

-cocky and talks smack to demons- check
-had 2 guns and a sword-check
-has a sense of justice- check
-spouts the occasional cheesy one liner-check
-basically a superhero capable of over the top feats-check
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TerrorA said:
Allow mew to present my calm, unbiased opinion of the new 52. *ahem*

**** THE NEW 52! **** SUPERWONDER! **** ERASING CASSANDRA CAIN, WALLY WEST, OBSIDIAN, JADE, LIAN HARPER, RYAN CHOI, ELONGATED MAN, AND BOTH AQUALAD! **** ERASING EVERY SINGLE TITAN TEAM AND 20 YEARS OF CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!

(deadly calm)

If given half a chance, I would personally go up to the DC editors who thought of "Flashpoint" and personally beat them over the head with a pillowcase filled with loose change.
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New 52 is hit and miss with me. They have dropped the ball quite a few times already though. *starts filling another pillowcase with change*
 
Chancey289 said:
You know nothing about Deadpool.

Plus, Deadpool > Dante.
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deadpool has two guns - check
dante has two guns - check

deadpool wears red - check
dante wears red - check

deadpool has a melee weapon- check
dante has a melee weapon - check

deadpool has insane rengeration - check
dante has insane regeneration - check

deadpool likes pizza - check
dante likes pizza - check

deadpool makes one liners - check
dante makes one liners - check

deadpool name starts with D - check
dante name starts wih D - CHECK


DEADPOOOL IS DANTE

AND YES dante<deadpool because deadpool is dante and dante is deadpool.
 
IncarnatedDemon said:
deadpool has two guns - check
dante has two guns - check

deadpool wears red - check
dante wears red - check

deadpool has a melee weapon- check
dante has a melee weapon - check

deadpool has insane rengeration - check
dante has insane regeneration - check

deadpool likes pizza - check
dante likes pizza - check

deadpool makes one liners - check
dante makes one liners - check

deadpool name starts with D - check
dante name starts wih D - CHECK


DEADPOOOL IS DANTE

AND YES dante<deadpool because deadpool is dante and dante is deadpool.
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Deadpool came out like a decade before the first Devil May Cry even came out. If anyone is copying it's freaking Dante. And Dante is copying ninja turtles more than Deadpool if we wanna talk about comic book characters. You don't read Deadpool so what makes you think you know what he's all about. The 4th wall breaking Merc with a Mouth aka Deadpool is way cooler than Dante. That's just a scientific fact you'll have to deal with.
 
Chancey289 said:
Deadpool came out like a decade before the first Devil May Cry even came out. If anyone is copying it's freaking Dante. And Dante is copying ninja turtles more than Deadpool if we wanna talk about comic book characters. You don't read Deadpool so what makes you think you know what he's all about. The 4th wall breaking Merc with a Mouth aka Deadpool is way cooler than Dante. That's just a scientific fact you'll have to deal with.
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deadpools mom told me about deadpool.

she said deadpool is actually dante. i even got proof .ooo.

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Chancey289 said:
This is a f#cking strawman argument. You stop it now. Your stupid is showing. Deadpool is freaking amazing and Dante is the little poser b!tch. DEADPOOL> Dante

Damn kids today I swear. So deprived of quality entertainment. They don't know any better and it's a damn shame.
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you deny proof...
i got more

even ntdante knows deadpool is original dante, why else would he wear a deadpool mod if deadpool isnt original dante.
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TerrorA said:
Allow mew to present my calm, unbiased opinion of the new 52. *ahem*

**** THE NEW 52! **** SUPERWONDER! **** ERASING CASSANDRA CAIN, WALLY WEST, OBSIDIAN, JADE, LIAN HARPER, RYAN CHOI, ELONGATED MAN, AND BOTH AQUALAD! **** ERASING EVERY SINGLE TITAN TEAM AND 20 YEARS OF CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!

(deadly calm)

If given half a chance, I would personally go up to the DC editors who thought of "Flashpoint" and personally beat them over the head with a pillowcase filled with loose change.
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Haha same. Really not a fan of the New52 but Marvel Now is a pretty solid series.

@IncarnatedDemon, you've completely missed the point so I'm just gonna leave it there.
 
TerrorA said:
Allow mew to present my calm, unbiased opinion of the new 52. *ahem*

**** THE NEW 52! **** SUPERWONDER! **** ERASING CASSANDRA CAIN, WALLY WEST, OBSIDIAN, JADE, LIAN HARPER, RYAN CHOI, ELONGATED MAN, AND BOTH AQUALAD! **** ERASING EVERY SINGLE TITAN TEAM AND 20 YEARS OF CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!

(deadly calm)

If given half a chance, I would personally go up to the DC editors who thought of "Flashpoint" and personally beat them over the head with a pillowcase filled with loose change.
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grab a beer and join the club partner
 
Chancey289 said:
Yep. The turtles not only wore all red but they weren't even the same Ninja Turtles most people know and love today. Those Mirage Comics were pretty dark and the turtles killed people and sh!t. While I do like the Mirage series I'm not gonna lie and say I don't commonly associate the the turtles myself as fun and pizza loving characters because I like those versions. And I did love the cartoon back in the day.
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**** yeah to all of the above. I watched the old show. I watched a bit of the new show. But nothing beats the freakin' Mirage hardcore EDGY image the turtles were going for back when they were first created.

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Admit it. You would buy this game just for the box art.

And just for the extra trollage, I would love it if someone put "daNTe" (get it? NT Dante?) somewhere in the back with a badass pose to make him fit in with the image.

If you want to see them animated, just watch the this scene to see how friggin' awesome they were. (Skip to 5:10)

They narrate as they fight. Deadpool can't touch them in terms of fourth-wall breaking awesomeness.


TURTLE PRIME
 
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