DmC As An Origin Story

[Ana]

Exactly, except we haven't heard anything about Sparda in the new Devil May Cry, but the rest is spot on. ^^

It'll be so weird if DmC has no Sparda. :/

 

[CoolDemon]

Exactly, except we haven't heard anything about Sparda in the new Devil May Cry, but the rest is spot on. ^^

I am very positive Sparda will be in the story. How he will be...is another matter.

They (Ninja theory) have complete freedom to take what they want from DMC games, story elements, characters etc.

DMC is a box of concepts that they can choose.

It'll be so weird if DmC has no Sparda. :/

Not really. DmC is not DMC.

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

Well Dante's dad in DmC would need a name, so Sparda is easily the name for the job seeing as they don't bother finding new names even for the weapons.

 

[CoolDemon]

Well Dante's dad in DmC would need a name, so Sparda is easily the name for the job seeing as they don't bother finding new names even for the weapons.

Yep.

 

[Ana]

Not really. DmC is not DMC.

It would still be weird :///// (Stop belittling my feeeeeeeeeeeeeelings~~~~)

Well Dante's dad in DmC would need a name, so Sparda is easily the name for the job seeing as they don't bother finding new names even for the weapons.

Unless, of course, he doesn't have parents at all. You know, when a scientist and a test tube love each other very much.... Sidestepping all those pesky issues of how and why a demon and an angel would have a baby (or two?) together.

 

[CoolDemon]

It would still be weird :///// (Stop belittling my feeeeeeeeeeeeeelings~~~~)

Ok, people nothing to see here. Just a Sparda fan girl. Keep on walking lol.

 

[Ana]

Ok, people nothing to see here. Just a Sparda fan girl. Keep on walking lol.

Hahaha, nah. We never see enough of Sparda for me to get that attached to him. Although, you know, fathers and their kids is really awesome.... I need to think about this more. Yes.

But, yeah, I was just having fun there. (The looooong vowel should give it away.)

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

Actually what we HAVE seen about Sparda is quite awesome, even if it's too little. That's why I hope he won't play a big part in DmC. We just started accepting the new Dante. A new Sparda may be too much for now

Half-joking of course.

 

[V's patron]

^ to be honest, Sparda and Eva never felt like characters so they are fair game.

I'm guessing he was trained by angels or raised by humans.

 

[ReRave]

Actually what we HAVE seen about Sparda is quite awesome, even if it's too little.

What are you talking about?

Personally I wouldn't care, if they left the traditional parents of Dante out of the picture, but I don't see the point in it. Sure, Sparda most likely won't be the same and that's cool, but at least give us some consistency in the field of names.
I am saying this as a hardcore-supporter: If you want people to associate this with Devil May Cry, then give us some of the classics back, but freshen them up.

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

What are you talking about?

DMC Sparda.

 

[Ana]

Personally I wouldn't care, if they left the traditional parents of Dante out of the picture, but I don't see the point in it. Sure, Sparda most likely won't be the same and that's cool, but at least give us some consistency in the field of names.
I am saying this as a hardcore-supporter: If you want people to associate this with Devil May Cry, then give us some of the classics back, but freshen them up.

I don't care so much about Sparda being Dante's father. But he's really been an integral part of the setting and plot. Demon Emperor? Sparda rebelled against him. Demon god? Sparda helped kill it. Demon tower? Sparda sealed it. Demon cult? Worships Sparda.

On the other hand, Dante never really seemed to care about Sparda at all.

 

[ReRave]

I don't care so much about Sparda being Dante's father. But he's really been an integral part of the setting and plot. Demon Emperor? Sparda rebelled against him. Demon god? Sparda helped kill it. Demon tower? Sparda sealed it. Demon cult? Worships Sparda.

On the other hand, Dante never really seemed to care about Sparda at all.

So, Sparda generally speaking is the most powerful being in existence, yet he continually screws up his master-plans to seal something away. What a Mary-Sue.

DMC Sparda.

Sure, but elaborate, cause I played all of the game and Sparda never struck me as an awesome character. The man was seemingly allpowerful, yet he was too stupid to simply lock away demonkind, destroy the keys (instead of giving it to his sons, who will be henceforth hunted by demons and occultists for the rest of their immortal lifes) and get it over with.

But those are not really the points, why I disliked Sparda in the games. It was mostly his Power Ranger-esque design and the fact that he was nothing but backgroundplot. He never really "existed" in any of the games. Basically he was a male demonic Kyrie, that didn't cry that often.

 

[Ana]

So, Sparda generally speaking is the most powerful being in existence, yet he continually screws up his master-plans to seal something away. What a Mary-Sue.

...That... makes perfect sense. He's a Mary Sue black hole that imploded in on itself. The only thing that can resist his pull is an equally powerful Sue force...

Sure, but elaborate, cause I played all of the game and Sparda never struck me as an awesome character. The man was seemingly allpowerful, yet he was too stupid to simply lock away demonkind, destroy the keys (instead of giving it to his sons, who will be henceforth hunted by demons and occultists for the rest of their immortal lifes) and get it over with.

But those are not really the points, why I disliked Sparda in the games. It was mostly his Power Ranger-esque design and the fact that he was nothing but backgroundplot. He never really "existed" in any of the games. Basically he was a male demonic Kyrie, that didn't cry that often.

Kyrie never cried! She passed out only.

(I also don't think he precisely made the seals unlockable. I imagine the whole sealing/unsealing thing is a great deal more complicated. Probably, it runs on significance and some kind of sympathetic magic, rather than being a lock-and-key kind of deal.)

Anyway, what really bothered me was that 1) no one ever explained how he died (What killed this guy? It wasn't old age. Did he stumble, fall down the stairs and break his neck? Are we supposed to believe something was able to own him and then decided to just... vanish?) and 2) we know nothing of his personality. We have no idea what he acted like or even what he believed in.

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

So, Sparda generally speaking is the most powerful being in existence, yet he continually screws up his master-plans to seal something away. What a Mary-Sue.

You can't blame him because others wanted to unseal his seals thousands of years after his death.

Sure, but elaborate, cause I played all of the game and Sparda never struck me as an awesome character. The man was seemingly allpowerful, yet he was too stupid to simply lock away demonkind, destroy the keys (instead of giving it to his sons, who will be henceforth hunted by demons and occultists for the rest of their immortal lifes) and get it over with.

But those are not really the points, why I disliked Sparda in the games. It was mostly his Power Ranger-esque design and the fact that he was nothing but backgroundplot. He never really "existed" in any of the games. Basically he was a male demonic Kyrie, that didn't cry that often.

I don't need to elaborate at all, friend. If you played the games, you know as much about Sparda as I do. If you got the impression that his only good quality was being super-powerful, and I got a different impression, then we're different, and therefore have different opinions. However, I'll try just for argument's sake.

I think Sparda is awesome because:

1) Even though he was a devil, and one of the most powerful ones, living in the underworld, in the end he still developed some morals about what's right and what's wrong and decided to side with the seemingly weaker humans. Normally you wouldn't need to go to all the trouble if you were in his position. Humans die after like one hit from Devils, so conquering the human world should have been easy. He still saw this as wrong though and fought for what he believed was right <- Admirable.

2) His best "quality " the way you put it, is his power. He still chose to seal it, if that meant keeping Mundus at bay, making him lose everything. People aren't so self-sacrifising, thus that act alone makes him a true hero<- Awesome.

I could find more points but you get the idea. I don't think you'll agree, but at least try to understand why I find him awesome

 

[ReRave]

You can't blame him because others wanted to unseal his seals thousands of years after his death.



I don't need to elaborate at all, friend. If you played the games, you know as much about Sparda as I do. If you got the impression that his only good quality was being super-powerful, and I got a different impression, then we're different, and therefore have different opinions. However, I'll try just for argument's sake.

Don't get me wrong, i was just making sure that I didn't miss any bonus content.


1) Even though he was a devil, and one of the most powerful ones, living in the underworld, in the end he still developed some morals about what's right and what's wrong and decided to side with the seemingly weaker humans. Normally you wouldn't need to go to all the trouble if you were in his position. Humans die after like one hit from Devils, so conquering the human world should have been easy. He still saw this as wrong though and fought for what he believed was right <- Admirable.
This point felt odd to me. A demon is something inherently evil. It's a being made of negativity and striving for ruin. How did Sparda get the idea to procreate with a human and save the likes of us?
Why was he able to be compassionate, when the archetypical demon is simply evil for evil's sake.



I could find more points but you get the idea. I don't think you'll agree, but at least try to understand why I find him awesome
My phrasing was off, once again. My point is, that it always struck me odd, that the saviour of humanity was a being so inherently illogical in itself, that I just couldn't appreciate him as a valid character.

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

Don't get me wrong, i was just making sure that I didn't miss any bonus content.

Oh okiez^^

This point felt odd to me. A demon is something inherently evil. It's a being made of negativity and striving for ruin. How did Sparda get the idea to procreate with a human and save the likes of us?
Why was he able to be compassionate, when the archetypical demon is simply evil for evil's sake.

That's what's making him "beyond" the others. Yes he was born in an "evil" environment with only "evil" guys/gals around him. The mere fact that he grew up beyond this and started thinking things on his own despite what he was seeing, makes him incredible.

It's the 2nd time I see this. In the legend of Drizzt, Drizzt was born in a somewhat evil environment as well, and always felt that "something" didn't fit with him there, until in the end he learnt that only by being "good" he was being true to himself.

 

[ReRave]

Oh okiez^^



That's what's making him "beyond" the others. Yes he was born in an "evil" environment with only "evil" guys/gals around him. The mere fact that he grew up beyond this and started thinking things on his own despite what he was seeing, makes him incredible.
Let me rephrase it: Sparda is a demon, a being that is basically made of evil. How was it possible for him to feel and emphasize, when it shouldn't be metaphysically possible to him. It's like mankind not being able to fly in my head.

It's the 2nd time I see this. In the legend of Drizzt, Drizzt was born in a somewhat evil environment as well, and always felt that "something" didn't fit with him there, until in the end he learnt that only by being "good" he was being true to himself.
Drizzt is coming from an evil culture, Dark Elves are not evil in essence, they just choose to be.

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

Let me rephrase it: Sparda is a demon, a being that is basically made of evil. How was it possible for him to feel and emphasize, when it shouldn't be metaphysically possible to him. It's like mankind not being able to fly in my head.

That's not necessarily true in the DMC world. The main point in DMC3 as Lady states at the end is that there are humans as evil as any demon as well as compasionate and kind demons in this universe. Trish is full demon too. And was created by Mundus to deceive and destroy Dante. But in the end she joined the good guys.

I think in the end, demons in DMC world just do not know of goodness, thus they never become good easily.

 

[ReRave]

That's not necessarily true in the DMC world. The main point in DMC3 as Lady states at the end is that there are humans as evil as any demon as well as compasionate and kind demons in this universe. Trish is full demon too. And was created by Mundus to deceive and destroy Dante. But in the end she joined the good guys.

I think in the end, demons in DMC world just do not know of goodness, thus they never become good easily.

Never seen it that way. Seems logical, you win.