Devil May Cry 4-Plot hole?
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Well that's hardly a plothole actually,it could be assumed that dante has full control over rebellion and also nero doesn't seem to really understand the nature of his arm very well either so its not possible for him to use that technique for his advantage.
And yeah this basically... i still remember being genuinely baffled by the fact that i always had force edge as a default sword and yet it sucked so much.
Even after you awakened it its Sparda form it still sucked a$$.......well compared to Alastor that is. It was only useful for one boss fight.
ya pretty much outside of the mundus fight the sparda,sword doesnt do much you can‘t even dt with it
At least it looked cool and did moderate damage.. force edge was pretty much useless and i really hate useless weapons in video games.
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lol thanks just a idea that came to me
ohhhh okay well that makes sense
well i guess thats that and here i figured there would be a scene where dante gave rebellion to nero and he absorbed rebellions powers lol
nope afraid not buddy nero has yamato anyway so any devil arms he picks up in a possible other game wont be as strong so he will get access to there special abilities but they won‘t make him stronger .
TWOxACROSS
Hot-blooded God of Guns
I've just been skimmin' through here, but one thing to point out is that Devil Arms are like a weapon form of a demon's soul, and in the series we see that the best way you can get a Devil Arm seems to be from it choosing you, because it's just another, baser form of the soul. Alastor choose Dante because he withstood impalement, while Ifrit chose Dante because he withstood its fire, and in DMC3 we see that (sans Beowulf) the demons acknowledge Dante's capabilities and relinquish their souls to him in the form of Devil Arms.
I can imagine Rebellion being no different, and Stylish Nero mentioned a bond which I think is important to what I'm sayin' too - the Devil Arms Dante has acquired during his exploits have been mostly given as some sort of prize specifically to him.
The idea here is that they only work for Dante, because they chose Dante, so the bond can't be broken, and Nero can't absorb Rebellion.
I can imagine Rebellion being no different, and Stylish Nero mentioned a bond which I think is important to what I'm sayin' too - the Devil Arms Dante has acquired during his exploits have been mostly given as some sort of prize specifically to him.
The idea here is that they only work for Dante, because they chose Dante, so the bond can't be broken, and Nero can't absorb Rebellion.
DragonMaster2010
Don't Let the Fall of America be Your Fall
two explanations i can think of for nero not getting devil arms the first follows the idea that devil arms CHOOSE their masters, if that's correct then yeah, they didn't like nero.
another possibility is simply that nero did not take them, they were being used to power the hellgates and nero probs didn't know that, so he didn't take them because he didn't think there was anything there
as for why nero didn't get rebbelion, it seems dante simply didn't let him, the sword is clearly a regular one with some dante-only magic and links so dante could just have decided for it not to be absorbed.
also, a interesting thing i noticed is that even though it dosn't seem like nero didn't get anything from sanctus, it's pretty likely he did, considering nero DID get to have his arm way bigger then usual, unless he could crush buildings with ease from the start.
another possibility is simply that nero did not take them, they were being used to power the hellgates and nero probs didn't know that, so he didn't take them because he didn't think there was anything there
as for why nero didn't get rebbelion, it seems dante simply didn't let him, the sword is clearly a regular one with some dante-only magic and links so dante could just have decided for it not to be absorbed.
also, a interesting thing i noticed is that even though it dosn't seem like nero didn't get anything from sanctus, it's pretty likely he did, considering nero DID get to have his arm way bigger then usual, unless he could crush buildings with ease from the start.
TWOxACROSS
Hot-blooded God of Guns
Nero didn't get any Devil Arms by virtue of not having killed any of the bosses that came out of the Hell Gates. He got a few powers by absorbing something from them, but no Devil Arms. Even Dante didn't get Devil Arms from the bosses, and instead got them from the Hell Gates themselves - since those things are powered by Devil Arms. Dante got the batteries.
That sig though.
Did you see the entire signature (even the boner part)? I feel that the second picture ruins the flow of the signature.
P.S. Its the same person, just a different shot.
They ran becuase... they didnt want to be killed by a human... since humans in the demon eye are weak for them
There seems to be a lot of misconceptions here but I'll start off by saying that, yes, Nero could have very well absorbed Rebellion like has with any other demonic object but he can't as long as Dante is still around. I'll explain that later but first let me clear some stuff up.
While it is true that he was able to absorb Yamato because of his connection to Vergil, we're not exactly sure why it happened. Nero's absorption ability generally happens through touch but his absorption of Yamato was seemingly triggered by his emotional state. Even more so, his connection to Vergil is through blood but so is his connection to Dante. If blood is the basis of why Yamato reacted to him, then Rebellion should have had a reaction to him as well just not as strong. I should also note that Yamato didn't react to Nero's existence at all until the point of his close call with death.
Actually, it's pretty dang demonic considering it needed a blood sacrifice from its own master to unleash its full power.
Rebellion doesn't really have a choice of who its master is. It's an embodiment of who Dante is, a physical manifestation of his soul and persona.
You can see this in its design changes in DMC 2 and DMC 3/4 as the blade becomes simpler in design as Dante matures.
Yamato is the same way. Since Vergil is a man who embraced darkness, Yamato is a blade forged in darkness. When Vergil was corrupted, it became large and bulky representing the change in Vergil's soul and body. So it is clear that Yamato is just as intimately tied to Vergil as Rebellion was to Dante.
That's actually not true. In DMC 4, Dante's DT never changed at all, so no weapon at the time could have affected his DT. However, in DMC 3, It could be very well possible that Dante's DT would have changed if he held Yamato but that's just speculating.
Same thing would go for Vergil.
You have to remember that Sparda had both blades first before giving it to Dante and Vergil, so the two weapons, while intimately linked to their respective twin, aren't necessarily meant for just Dante or Vergil. Rather Dante could wield Yamato with as much skill as Vergil and Vergil could wield Rebellion just as well as Dante does with both being able to have DTs for those weapons.
That's true but not completely. When Rebellion's power was activated, it remained so regardless of who was wielding it.
Actually, this is true for some and not true for others. While demons like Cerberus and Nevan chose Dante as their master in their weapon forms, others were forced into being his weapons. In DMC 4's case, all the weapons didn't have minds of their own (seemingly), so they were simply taken and used. In DMC 1, Alastor was trying to enslave Dante and Ifrit was simply trying to burn him alive. Dante just fought back and took control rather than them willingly giving it to him. Beowulf also had no say in his master. When Vergil killed him, his soul just went straight to Vergil.
Now, with all that said, I can conclude by saying that the reason why Nero could absorb Rebellion is because of the simple fact that it is a Devil Arm and that the only reason why it would be an exception is that Dante is still alive. From what I can tell, Nero trying to take Rebellion would be like a person trying to go up to a lady and steal her purse by just grabbing it.
While it is true that he was able to absorb Yamato because of his connection to Vergil, we're not exactly sure why it happened. Nero's absorption ability generally happens through touch but his absorption of Yamato was seemingly triggered by his emotional state. Even more so, his connection to Vergil is through blood but so is his connection to Dante. If blood is the basis of why Yamato reacted to him, then Rebellion should have had a reaction to him as well just not as strong. I should also note that Yamato didn't react to Nero's existence at all until the point of his close call with death.
Actually, it's pretty dang demonic considering it needed a blood sacrifice from its own master to unleash its full power.
Rebellion doesn't really have a choice of who its master is. It's an embodiment of who Dante is, a physical manifestation of his soul and persona.
You can see this in its design changes in DMC 2 and DMC 3/4 as the blade becomes simpler in design as Dante matures.
Yamato is the same way. Since Vergil is a man who embraced darkness, Yamato is a blade forged in darkness. When Vergil was corrupted, it became large and bulky representing the change in Vergil's soul and body. So it is clear that Yamato is just as intimately tied to Vergil as Rebellion was to Dante.
That's actually not true. In DMC 4, Dante's DT never changed at all, so no weapon at the time could have affected his DT. However, in DMC 3, It could be very well possible that Dante's DT would have changed if he held Yamato but that's just speculating.
Same thing would go for Vergil.
You have to remember that Sparda had both blades first before giving it to Dante and Vergil, so the two weapons, while intimately linked to their respective twin, aren't necessarily meant for just Dante or Vergil. Rather Dante could wield Yamato with as much skill as Vergil and Vergil could wield Rebellion just as well as Dante does with both being able to have DTs for those weapons.
That's true but not completely. When Rebellion's power was activated, it remained so regardless of who was wielding it.
Actually, this is true for some and not true for others. While demons like Cerberus and Nevan chose Dante as their master in their weapon forms, others were forced into being his weapons. In DMC 4's case, all the weapons didn't have minds of their own (seemingly), so they were simply taken and used. In DMC 1, Alastor was trying to enslave Dante and Ifrit was simply trying to burn him alive. Dante just fought back and took control rather than them willingly giving it to him. Beowulf also had no say in his master. When Vergil killed him, his soul just went straight to Vergil.
Now, with all that said, I can conclude by saying that the reason why Nero could absorb Rebellion is because of the simple fact that it is a Devil Arm and that the only reason why it would be an exception is that Dante is still alive. From what I can tell, Nero trying to take Rebellion would be like a person trying to go up to a lady and steal her purse by just grabbing it.