Combat Overview Part 1

[TWOxACROSS]

when you do the rebellion into arbiter combo it makes it pretty easy.. And I'm pretty sure the demon evade gives you a damage boost and and from what I've seen the amount of damage you do in the game adds to your style meter (would make sense with the arbiter giving you sss)in addition to certain moves giving different style points.

Also doing trillion stab after demon dodge gives a lot of style points as well..
For me personally I don't care as much about the style meter but to some people and especially mission complete rankings, it matters. Also I'm pretty sure if you farm style points and flunk every other rating, you still get a SSS mission complete too..

That's exactly what I'm talking about, and so is everyone else. People are disregarding the fact that it requires timing, grouping, and precision to do what he did. Timing to get Demon Evade's boost, and then precision to make sure you hit more than one enemy in a group with the multiple attacks Trinity Smash does. Then there's the risk involved with using Trinity Smash - doesn't really matter how you get to it, the entire animation of Trinity Smash leaves Dante open for an extended time.

People look at that video and put too much emphasis on how Trinity Smash got him a SSS, but not that he needed to hit multiple enemies in the multi-hit attack with a short-lived power boost given for precisely dodging an enemy's attack, which is a risk in its own right.

And flunking every other portion of the Mission won't give you a SSS score, because Time is an important factor in the rating system, along with Restarts, so the longer you sit around redoing combat events, the lower your end score will be.

 

[8BitHero]

when you do the rebellion into arbiter combo it makes it pretty easy.. And I'm pretty sure the demon evade gives you a damage boost and and from what I've seen the amount of damage you do in the game adds to your style meter (would make sense with the arbiter giving you sss)in addition to certain moves giving different style points.

Also doing trillion stab after demon dodge gives a lot of style points as well..
For me personally I don't care as much about the style meter but to some people and especially mission complete rankings, it matters. Also I'm pretty sure if you farm style points and flunk every other rating, you still get a SSS mission complete too..

That's pretty interesting and IS a valid point of the broken style system. The guy uploading is a moron for claiming it to be a bad game but heck, this is a legit complaint.

 

[Dominus]

That's exactly what I'm talking about, and so is everyone else. People are disregarding the fact that it requires timing, grouping, and precision to do what he did. Timing to get Demon Evade's boost, and then precision to make sure you hit more than one enemy in a group with the multiple attacks Trinity Smash does. Then there's the risk involved with using Trinity Smash - doesn't really matter how you get to it, the entire animation of Trinity Smash leaves Dante open for an extended time.

People look at that video and put too much emphasis on how Trinity Smash got him a SSS, but not that he needed to hit multiple enemies in the multi-hit attack with a short-lived power boost given for precisely dodging an enemy's attack, which is a risk in its own right.

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It's not hard at all. I'm able to do that same sequence all the time against those grunt enemies to get SSS rank, and it only requires two enemies for you to hit to get the SSS. Also they usually circle around you grouped together waiting to attack you so its pretty easy to get a multi-hit on them. I don't know how DMD will work for ranking system, but the current one seems to be a heavily weighted system that doesn't award perfect play like DMC3 did for SS.

 

[chocolatepanda]

That's exactly what I'm talking about, and so is everyone else. People are disregarding the fact that it requires timing, grouping, and precision to do what he did. Timing to get Demon Evade's boost, and then precision to make sure you hit more than one enemy in a group with the multiple attacks Trinity Smash does. Then there's the risk involved with using Trinity Smash - doesn't really matter how you get to it, the entire animation of Trinity Smash leaves Dante open for an extended time.

People look at that video and put too much emphasis on how Trinity Smash got him a SSS, but not that he needed to hit multiple enemies in the multi-hit attack with a short-lived power boost given for precisely dodging an enemy's attack, which is a risk in its own right.

And flunking every other portion of the Mission won't give you a SSS score, because Time is an important factor in the rating system, along with Restarts, so the longer you sit around redoing combat events, the lower your end score will be.

I dont understand why you're defending this, the style point boost is too big for and since its an ability you can probably upgrade its duration or power and combine that boost with other moves like the overdrive, demon stomp or any of Aquila's moves and it will probably make your rank skyrocket. Your focusing of the small risk of using the Arbiter to raise your rank but there's other moves that can probably be abused to raise your rank with the buff.

 

[DreadnoughtDT]

I dont understand why you're defending this, the style point boost is too big for and since its an ability you can probably upgrade its duration or power and combine that boost with other moves like the overdrive, demon stomp or any of Aquila's moves and it will probably make your rank skyrocket. Your focusing of the small risk of using the Arbiter to raise your rank but there's other moves that can probably be abused to raise your rank with the buff.

It won't stop people from doing other things to get high ranks. This method will probably end up known as the noob's way of getting high grades, nothing more.

 

[GregaMan]

Hey guys, appreciate you picking up my video. I worked for quite awhile on this and did all the capturing and editing myself ^^;;; Hope it gets the main points across.

Could use a little more positivity on YouTube if anyone who liked the video wants to chime in. Some folks are spreading lies about Unity and disliking my responses to hide them when I correct them politely D: Terrible.

 

[chocolateghost79]

Hey guys, appreciate you picking up my video. I worked for quite awhile on this and did all the capturing and editing myself ^^;;; Hope it gets the main points across.

Could use a little more positivity on YouTube if anyone who liked the video wants to chime in. Some folks are spreading lies about Unity and disliking my responses to hide them when I correct them politely D: Terrible.

People are sad. If DMC isn't the way THEY want it then they will complain, spread hate lies, and hide truths. It angers me so.

 

[DarkSlayer54]

People are sad. If DMC isn't the way THEY want it then they will complain, spread hate lies, and hide truths. It angers me so.

What I find funny about it, is that DmC isn't really all that different from any other DMC. Each game did something new, and changes things around. DmC took it a step further with Dante's origin and his white hair, but none the less... each DMC has had a different version of Dante, and a change in gameplay as well.
On top of that... each DMC has a bunch of fans. Personally, my favorite DMC is DMC1... and I know people that love DMC2, while others prefer DMC3.... not sure about DMC4, but I'm sure there's someone that loves that too. DmC is no exception... I enjoyed the demo, and I want to buy the game.

 

[Devil Player]

Hey guys, appreciate you picking up my video. I worked for quite awhile on this and did all the capturing and editing myself ^^;;; Hope it gets the main points across.

Could use a little more positivity on YouTube if anyone who liked the video wants to chime in. Some folks are spreading lies about Unity and disliking my responses to hide them when I correct them politely D: Terrible.

Wow, Greg is here, folks!!! Welcome, friend. Really cool to see ya around...

It's unfortunate that some people are really spreading negativity about the game, but that's going to end in less than 1 month. Actually, here and Capcom Unity are probably the better places to discuss about the game itself.

I advice you not wasting time with the trolls. There're doing it for fun and they don't want people to enjoy the game. Don't lt them get to you.

By the way, I hope the Q&A runs good.

 

[Dominus]

Wow, Greg is here, folks!!! Welcome, friend. Really cool to see ya around...

It's unfortunate that some people are really spreading negativity about the game, but that's going to end in less than 1 month. Actually, here and Capcom Unity are probably the better places to discuss about the game itself.

I advice you not wasting time with the trolls. There're doing it for fun and they don't want people to enjoy the game. Don't lt them get to you.

By the way, I hope the Q&A runs good.

Last time I checked Capcom unity the DmC forum was pretty barren. Not a lot going on there so that's probably why Greg joined this forum to talk about DmC.

What I find funny about it, is that DmC isn't really all that different from any other DMC. Each game did something new, and changes things around. DmC took it a step further with Dante's origin and his white hair, but none the less... each DMC has had a different version of Dante, and a change in gameplay as well.
On top of that... each DMC has a bunch of fans. Personally, my favorite DMC is DMC1... and I know people that love DMC2, while others prefer DMC3.... not sure about DMC4, but I'm sure there's someone that loves that too. DmC is no exception... I enjoyed the demo, and I want to buy the game.

I don't buy the fact that you "know" people whose favorite DMC is DMC2 over all of the DMC games. That really doesn't make any sense at all. Someone could enjoy the characterization of Dante in DMC2 but gameplay and storywise? Yah no sorry try again.

 

[meg5493]

Last time I checked Capcom unity the DmC forum was pretty barren. Not a lot going on there so that's probably why Greg joined this forum to talk about DmC.

I don't buy the fact that you "know" people whose favorite DMC is DMC2 over all of the DMC games. That really doesn't make any sense at all. Someone could enjoy the characterization of Dante in DMC2 but gameplay and storywise? Yah no sorry try again.

its strange but i've seen people who like DMC2 the best for different reasons

 

[DarkSlayer54]

I don't buy the fact that you "know" people whose favorite DMC is DMC2 over all of the DMC games. That really doesn't make any sense at all. Someone could enjoy the characterization of Dante in DMC2 but gameplay and storywise? Yah no sorry try again.

Skip to 3:30. Just because you don't like a game doesn't mean other's won't... Everyone has their reasons. Such as my dislike for DMC3 if it doesn't have cheats, without the super characters I find it boring and dull.... and hard of course.

If you end up watching the whole video, keep in mind that he didn't bother getting into the demo. He just threw his two cents out there and he's waiting to play the full game before making a real opinion... The only reason I posted the video is I don't have to get into a whole debate on this.

 

[Gaflima]

I'm the only one who feels that something is very wrong these days?
The hate waves are becoming more aggressive(?) than normal, and the the demo has not changed much the situation, people are now using it to bash the game.
All this just makes me sad.

 

[Dominus]

Skip to 3:30. Just because you don't like a game doesn't mean other's won't... Everyone has their reasons. Such as my dislike for DMC3 if it doesn't have cheats, without the super characters I find it boring and dull.... and hard of course.

If you end up watching the whole video, keep in mind that he didn't bother getting into the demo. He just threw his two cents out there and he's waiting to play the full game before making a real opinion... The only reason I posted the video is I don't have to get into a whole debate on this.

There are cheats in DMC3 you can unlock everything with a button code at the beginning and also unlimited devil trigger characters are in the game (did you play the game?). Also I guess some people may like DMC2 but I doubt it has a "bunch of fans". But to claim to not know people who like DMC4 when it has the best combat in the series (well at least towering over DMC1 and 2) is yah....

 

[D-Sparda]

I'm the only one who feels that something is very wrong these days?
The hate waves are becoming more aggressive(?) than normal, and the the demo has not changed much the situation, people are now using it to bash the game.
All this just makes me sad.

I see more love for this game than hate around the Internet.

 

[DarkSlayer54]

There are cheats in DMC3 you can unlock everything with a button code at the beginning and also unlimited devil trigger characters are in the game (did you play the game?).

*sigh*
I forgot to mention that I loved DMC3 on the PS2 due to the cheats. However, the cheats are useless on the HD collection.... making the game completely unenjoyable for me.

Also I guess some people may like DMC2 but I doubt it has a "bunch of fans". But to claim to not know people who like DMC4 when it has the best combat in the series (well at least towering over DMC1 and 2) is yah....

Once again you imply that I'm lying.... I do not know anyone personally that has enjoyed DMC4.

EDIT: None the less, my point stands. Everyone has a DMC they love, including DMC2,4, and soon enough DmC.

 

[Dominus]

*sigh*
I forgot to mention that I loved DMC3 on the PS2 due to the cheats. However, the cheats are useless on the HD collection.... making the game completely unenjoyable for me.
Once again you imply that I'm lying.... I do not know anyone personally that has enjoyed DMC4.

Your reasons for not liking DMC3 do not make sense. You don't like it because you can't cheat? DMC1 you could only access super Dante after beating the game on DMD mode just like in DMC3 (except if you used the cheat code). I don't own the HD collection but reading up on cheats on it claims you can still use the same code to unlock everything. http://www.ign.com/wikis/devil-may-cry-hd-collection/DMC3:_Cheats http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps3/646887-devil-may-cry-hd-collection/cheats

 

[KenKen]

Hey guys, appreciate you picking up my video. I worked for quite awhile on this and did all the capturing and editing myself ^^;;; Hope it gets the main points across.

Could use a little more positivity on YouTube if anyone who liked the video wants to chime in. Some folks are spreading lies about Unity and disliking my responses to hide them when I correct them politely D: Terrible.

WHAT THE HELL

WE HAVE GREGAMAN NOW??

Welcome to the forums, dude. Hope you enjoy your stay ^_^

 

[DarkSlayer54]

Your reasons for not liking DMC3 do not make sense. You don't like it because you can't cheat? DMC1 you could only access super Dante after being the game on DMD mode just like in DMC3 (except if you used the cheat code). I don't own the HD collection but reading up on cheats on it claims you can still use the same code to unlock everything. http://www.ign.com/wikis/devil-may-cry-hd-collection/DMC3:_Cheats http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps3/646887-devil-may-cry-hd-collection/cheats

Seriously? Fine, I'll start from the beginning, and explain in high detail why I do not like DMC3 for the HD collection.

The HD Collection has the cheat, but it disables trophies and the ability to save/load. In other words, by using the cheat code the game forces me to start from scratch each and every time I choose to play. Thus, forcing me to ignore the cheats.

Now I'll get into why I dislike DMC3 without super characters. To begin with, I find the levels annoyingly designed. The enemies were also annoyingly designed... I wouldn't say they were hard, but just annoying. Most of the enemies such as the blood bats, the angels with wings that served as shields, the mist thing that only became solid behind you I found to be aggravating. I had absolutely no fun in killing them, and they always felt like an obstacle rather than a treat. With those demons I couldn't just do whatever I wanted, I had to pick a strategy and constantly reuse it to get passed them. What made each individual level difficult was the lack of items, mixed with the annoying levels that have actually killed me on occasion. These two things made me hate experimentation, and I mainly focused on simply getting enemies out of the way rather than enjoying the gameplay. The bosses were no different than any other DMC... simply a pain in the butt. There's nothing to say about them, I abused royal guard to exploit some of them... but even then they were very hard.
It took me over a month to beat DMC3 once... while I platinum'd DMC1 in the first week.

Now, I'll explain why I loved DMC3 WITH the cheats. On the PS2, I was able to use Super Nelo Angelo and Super Sparda to constantly regenerate my health when I needed it... leaving me to utterly destroy the annoying enemies, while letting me enjoy the rest of the enemies by screwing around and trying to string together moves. I didn't have to worry about my life bar, I could just play the game for the gameplay alone and not worry about anything else.

In case you ask "Why did you platinum DMC1 and not care for 3?":
I found DMC1 to be forgiving. I don't need cheats to enjoy it. I got royally ****ed off during DMD due to the bosses, but I beat the game three or four times prior to attempting DMD to get as many Untouchables, Holy Waters, and other helpful items to aid me. The whole game was designed for the skilled, and the unskilled. The unskilled could still beat DMD and enjoy Super Dante with everyone else given they had invested more time collecting items. DMC3, not the case.. given, you can spend hours upon hours farming orbs to buy holy waters, but that was just silly... it takes way too long to rack up orbs. The enemies in DMC1 also revolved around strategy... like, the skilled could still take them on and kick their ass, but the unskilled could think carefully and exploit their weaknesses to beat them.

EDIT: Also, if you ask "Why did you enjoy re-using strategies in DMC1 to exploit enemies and not 3?":
I only had to exploit weaknesses of enemies during a few levels of Very Hard and DMD. After beating DMD I went back to normal to just string together attacks and have fun. In DMC3, I feel limited since I hate fighting the annoying enemies which makes me feel like simply getting them out of the way. DMC1 isn't like this, even the Phantom's I find fun on normal since I can just dodge around them and spam Ebony and Ivory without the use of jumping on their spike. With Super Dante it's even funner, which is why I beat DMD in the first place. Simply put, DMC3 made me re-use strategies due to pure annoyance unrelated to difficulty. DMC1 forced me to use strategies due to difficulty.

 

[chocolatepanda]

I'm the only one who feels that something is very wrong these days?
The hate waves are becoming more aggressive(?) than normal, and the the demo has not changed much the situation, people are now using it to bash the game.
All this just makes me sad.

The demo is suppose to be a small taste of the full game and since the demo has glitches there's a good indication that the full game will have them as well. Normally since its a demo you would think since its a demo the glitches are ok and will be fixed but NT has been showin off demos in various places for awhile now so you would think the demo would be glitch free as much as its been used but its not and the biggest glitch is the boss fight where poison decides not to move and become invincible. The ps3 has framerate drops(for me at least) from time to time too. Although i doubt most of the people hating the game are aware of these things and just focus on the no manual lock on and SSS evade axe combination.