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[Sparda's rejected son]

Bardock only became a SS1 in the Special. The show and movies have been know to add lighting to the SS1 aura for effect. To symbolize the raging thunder that Bardock has become. Don't think to much of it. Kid Buu was spoken of as the strongest of Majin Buu's forms so I just go off of that. Ultimate Gohan being stronger than full powered totally in control SS3 Goku. Maybe. Again I'm going off of what the Manga and Anime tell me.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

I still don't know how one measly punch defeated Broly i still have no idea how....

He cannot be any stronger than Ascended or trained whatever ssj they use in cell saga and it seems like goku just got past ascended ssj for a while and defeated broly with one punch ?

that still doesn't make sense.... :/ Man these movies have their own logic

I gotta love those Blu-ray remakes they are tons better than Kai

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

I still don't know how one measly punch defeated Broly i still have no idea how....~SNIP~

I think it was the result of the movie time restraint.
They Broly beating the crap of Goku & the others for nearly the entire movie & they ran out of time so they had to do something to end it with the hero winning. So it was the 1 punch desperation movie wrap up.
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Incorrect. Broly was stabbed in the stomach by King Vegeta which the movie reveals. (Watch the Uncut version) Goku combined his power with the other 4 and super punched Broly in his damaged stomach.

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

I know but i'm thinking after all that time has passed, that wound has healed & shouldn't be a weakness of Broly otherwise why didn't his own power rip open the wound.

I don't think a stab wound so deep would heal so well even with so much time passing. Broly would disperse energy from his body from time to time. So perhaps Goku's power punch overloaded him and Broly went boom!

 

[ROCKMAN X]

I don't think a stab wound so deep would heal so well even with so much time passing. Broly would disperse energy from his body from time to time. So perhaps Goku's power punch overloaded him and Broly went boom!

eh.. actually the most important question is how did goku know about his weakeness ?

 

[ROCKMAN X]

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Anyway i think Bardock going ascended Saiyan was a false transformation like the DragonBallZ movie were Goku had a false Super Saiyan transformation​

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I believe it's 1 of two things. ​

1. DragonBallZ creators were clueless & disorganised with the story time lines that they just figured we'll sort it later & call it a day. ​

2. Everything was strategically placed in a disorganised to create enough speculation to where it will continued spawning topics of discussions on the DragonBall series. ​

Actually goku went Super saityan Zero which doesn't remain for a long time

Bardock Went complete SSJ 1 just like goku did for first time and that's Non-canon

 

[ROCKMAN X]

KidBuu: is the strongest buu form. Majin Buu was the weakest state when the Grand Supreme Kai let himself be absorbed to change Buu's personality from evil psychotic to child like.
Every absorbsion afterwards was Buu regaining strength from that downgraded version, they were more stable minded but nowhere near as powerful as KidBuu.

Golden chi ? its only possessed by super saiyans but i guess the movies have their own logic

I agree kid buu was the strongest of all buus

his absorption technique only made him weaker

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

eh.. actually the most important question is how did goku know about his weakeness ?

He didn't.... Goku just punched him in the stomach because that's were you normally punch someone.




Ok what are we talking about now folks?

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Yea the golden aura does go with Super Saiyans but Goku never transformed, if he did he would not have changed back so soon.

KidBuu was nuts lol.
I liked how KidBuu learned Goku's Kamehameha.
I would so love to see KidBuu split in half & do the fusion dance lol.

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It was like a "Saiyan rage" just with Ssj aura just like bardock was all beaten and hopeless but then suddenly he beats up millions of freiza soldiers like flies

that's why his "Transformation" ended when he comes to his normal senses

Transformation also makes me wonder why doesn't broly have a tail ? why doesn't trunks and goten have tails either ?? were they cut ?

He didn't.... Goku just punched him in the stomach because that's were you normally punch someone

Normally ? I normally won't i don't want to hurt anyone that bad

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

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Normally ? I normally won't i don't want to hurt anyone that bad

But its normal.







Wait were talking about the Lord Slug movie transformation now? Its just Goku ****ed off in a almost reached SS form.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Bardock had the yellow hair & blue eyes & was backed into a corner with no energy left, so i'm still going with a maxed Kaio-ken or Kaio-ken of some form.

2. Better yet why didn't Vegeta's tail grow back.
And why doesn't Bulla or Pan have tails either.

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No i'm not talking about the latest Non-canon movie i'm talking about this
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13:06-13:55
just like that Goku just gets ssj aura in a fit of rage and when he comes to his senses he no longer has that power simple..

It wasn't a technique/transformation even goku was unaware of those powers

As far kaio-ken goes i wanted to see more of this >>

Bulla and pan can't even go ssj they're pretty much bad/underdeveloped characters anyway

 

[ROCKMAN X]

TFS Bardock special......Eww i don't like fandubbed anime.
Bulla & Pan got jipped on the Super Saiyan thing altogether, it's also believed that Saiyan females can't go Super Saiyan because they're women, which i think is stupid.
I think it's because there was no opportunity to force a transformation from Bulla or Pan.



Like i said a burst of energy which is what the Kaio-ken, it wasn't the Kaio-ken technique but very similar to it.

I just wanted to show you the moment where bardock decided to go after frieza even though he's badly injured


fasha can go Great ape

i'm pretty sure she would go ssj if she got training in hyperbolic time chamber and so would Pan&bulla if they gothing called "character development"

Kaioken was controlled this one wasn't

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Yea i remember seeing the original.
Bardock was to little to late & too weak to take on freeza.

Yea fasha & all Saiyans with a tail can go ape, but no female Saiyans went Super Saiyan.

Training has nothing to do with going Super Saiyan, or any of the transformations. It's not a strong power level that invokes the transformation, it's being backed in a corner but finding the will to go on.
If Pan fought enough then maybe she would've went Super Saiyan but she's more human blooded then Saiyan.

Well the truth is without the training neither Gohan or Vegeta would've gone ssj and all saiyans have the will to fight it won't take them long

 

[ROCKMAN X]

As long as they're pushed to their absolute limit & then find the will to continue to fight they would've went Super Saiyan regardless of training.
The Super Saiyan transformation is triggered by either desperation or indignation.

Goku, future Trunks probably, were desperation.

Gohan, Vegeta, kid Trunks, Goten were due to frustration.

Original saiyans can easily go ssj with training as their powers were already skyrocketing and that's the reason why freiza killed them all because if they kept their way of living they would've all gone far above the frieza's power

Kid trunks&goten weren't frustrated at all ! where did you made that up ?

you call this frustration >

Gohan :- SINCE WHEN ?
Goten : I don't remember -_-"

Nothing is explained that how Goten&trunks can go ssj without trying

 

[ROCKMAN X]

but very few would've gone Super Saiyan.


When goten was training with his mom Chi-chi & transformed into a Super Saiyan, & is that the 1st time Trunks transformed?

However i think kid Trunks became a Super Saiyan out of frustration with his want to be better than Goten being his fuel.

kid Gohan frustrated by how he could not do anything as he stood by & watched how the people he cared about got hurt​

Frustration ? Come on ! he's talking about toys and peeing when fighting Broly ! he's just kid 5 yr old they don't know the meaning of "Frustration" lol its training and power within which is gradually raised and unleashed

and no gohan didn't go ssj just because he saw his loved ones get beatan up if that's the case then he should've gone ssj in the saiyan saga or the frieza saga

and no chi-chi's training was not compared to what gohan did in hyperbolic time chamber

totally saying neither goten or trunks are serious and they never really "Tried" to go ssj

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Look at goten training with Chi-chi, Goten got frustrated because Chi-chi was kicking his butt & transformed into ​

Gohan 1st time transformed into a Super Saiyan was out of frustration due him being afraid to do anything to stop freeza & all the other enemies when he should've.

Kid Trunks i am not to sure on as i have not seen his very 1st transformation because i don't think him changing in front of Vegeta was the 1st time. However him becoming a Super Saiyan was from either frustration or desperation & not flipping on like a light switch.

I don't know but gohan looks enough frustrated to me why isn't he going ssj ? why didn't he go ssj when piccolo was killed ?
why didn't he go ssj everyone of his friends were getting hurt ?

wasn't he frustrated enough ?? that's just STUPID ! Goten and Trunks never had gone through stuff gohan has gone through in his childhood

And watch the Movie Broly second coming and how Trunks pees his pants when he sees broly whereas kid gohan didn't

If it was so easy then out of frustration goku should've gone ssj because "He was getting his butt kicked "

The way it goes its just flipping a switch

 

[ROCKMAN X]

I didn't make the Super Saiyan handbook rules & requirements but that's just how it is.

In short i'd call it a Plot failure Akira toriyma didn't know what to do with these characters and probably screwed up some stuff

 

[ROCKMAN X]

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Why didn't Vegeta keep his tail after Super Saiyan 4?

Gt Logic..

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Yea that's what it seems like.
Another thing, why is Chi-chi as old as Bulma.
Bulma 1st met Goku when he was 6 *supposedly 12* & Bulma was in her teens.
So Goku met Chi-chi when Chi-chi was close to Goku's age, so why is adult Chi-chi as old as Bulma.

Another thing is why did goten and trunks never use fusion and infact these are the interesting things missing in GT that was little or no convincing strory neither was the plot so dramatic like dbz instead they focused on cutesy and stupid stuff

Baby saga had "Some" possibility to be dramatic but it failed shenron's saga was downright predictable

neither of the characters except goku were interesting in GT because they did NOTHING to make GT any enjoyable

Trunk&Goten = they seem to be like sucked out of all saiyan abilities as they had as 5 yr old's very interesting GT logic..

Gohan = seems like being a "Family man" really took its toll and made him into an absolte wimp who can't remember who he used to be

OR what he could've been >>

but instead we get this >>

OMFG I HATE GT !!

 

[ROCKMAN X]

On that i think that's much more explainable then Chi-chi looking as old as Bulma.

Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Pan & Bra are half human, born & raised on earth & lack the full blooded fighting spirit of a true Saiyan warrior.
This along with being raised by their mothers Chi-chi & Bulma had a great influence on how their life turned out to be.
Also not to mention Goku & Vegeta was always there to handle the serious threats, so Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Bra, Pan has no reason to take anything serious or to keep up they're training at all.
I'd be really surprised if Goten or Trunks could go ascended Saiyan in GT.

Yeah that's one big excuse to kill off those awesome characters but there were several instances when they could've gone ssj2 or alteast tried to make a dramatic movement

Gohan&Goten Vs Vegeta Was lame the fight could've been better so was baby fight it was seemingly a rip-off of Vegeta Vs Goku

And i don't really think Vegeta trained that much either Goku&uub were the ONLY ones who trained hard

i don't even count Bra,Pan they're just cardboard cutouts

And it was really sad to see trunks portrayed so bad he wasn't nearly as cool as F-trunks

I know that they didin't have any training but ITS DBZ there has to be tense moments ! there has to be Drama,tension and stuff like that

rather then that all we get is Goku saving the day for the 1000000th time duh...

Goten&Trunks didn't need to go ascended they just needed to use fusion like they did In Dbz that's how Dbz's buu saga was interesting ! and then they could've gone ssj3