DMC 5 after the events of DMC 2.....? Foolishness...

[VergilNeroDante]

I know that everyone is still discussing on whether or not DMC 5 is after the events of DMC 2 and some have given some major points but whenever Hideaki Itsuno has stated thats its after the events of DMC 4, a direct Sequel mind you, its hard for me to take what people speculate seriously. Dont get me wrong, its nice hearing what people have to say but until its confirmed otherwise, I would take everything with a grain of salt.

I doubt DMC 5 is after DMC 2, but thats just me.

 

[Aisen66]

dantenerovergil there i fixed your name vergil shouldnt be your number one we are not the decepticons

 

[ROCKMAN X]

I would say that DMC5 being a prequel to DMC2 is foolishness, what's even the point of making 2 prequels to DMC2 which doesn't even make an attempt to connect anything to DMC2's events? might as well do a time-skip and make a game after DMC2 rather than piling unrelated story after story on top of DMC2.

People are speculating that DMC5 is post DMC2 because DMC4 itself is just a DMC2 prequel, how many ****ing prequels are we gonna get?

 

[VergilNeroDante]

I would say that DMC5 being a prequel to DMC2 is foolishness, what's even the point of making 2 prequels to DMC2 which doesn't even make an attempt to connect anything to DMC2's events? might as well do a time-skip and make a game after DMC2 rather than piling story after story before DMC2.

People are speculating that DMC5 is post DMC2 because DMC4 itself is just a DMC2 prequel, how many ****ing prequels are we gonna get?

Maybe DMC 5 is the remake of DMC 2 and Capcom has disregarded DMC 2 completely. Anyways, I guess I upset some people with my video. Boy oh Boy.

 

[xMobilemux]

I always thought Itsuno saying it's a direct sequel to DMC4 was so newer fans wouldn't confuse it for a DmC sequel.

 

[V's patron]

It's 50/50 either way to me.

Chances are its set before DMC2 because they are unwilling to deal with DMC2's failure. It's an old shame for Itsuno so avoiding it feels like the best way forward (it isn't but they don't seem to know that).

oh well....:ninja:

 

[Foxtrot94]

what's even the point of making 2 prequels to DMC2 which doesn't even make an attempt to connect anything to DMC2's events?

How do you even know DMC5 won't connect to DMC2 in some way, even if it's set before?

 

[ROCKMAN X]

How do you even know DMC5 won't connect to DMC2 in some way, even if it's set before?

Its cus DMC4 never alluded anything to DMC2, no references to lucia's clan, no coin tossing dante or mention of Arius or Uroborus City. So, its hard for me to believe that DMC5 would acknowledge DMC2 when DMC4 didn't but if they do, it'll be a pleasant surprise.

Maybe DMC 5 is the remake of DMC 2 and Capcom has disregarded DMC 2 completely. Anyways, I guess I upset some people with my video. Boy oh Boy.

I didn't watch the video lol, Capcom has unwillingly acknowledged DMC2's canonicity in DMC4's "History of DMC" and the DMC HD collection. DMC 2 is canon and it exists in a nebulous void.

 

[Foxtrot94]

It's an old shame for Itsuno

I think you hit the nail on the head there. You know, as a professional, it must not be easy to be associated with such a failure so I can see why he tries to ignore the hell out of DMC2.

Besides though, even IF DMC2 gets erased from canon... What does the series lose, really? It's not like that game introduces anything important story wise, another testament to its insignificance. Lucia is just another female side character that doesn't have the significance Trish had on Dante in DMC1 nor the depth of Lady in DMC3. Matier is... just there. Arius, idem, just another demon power hungry human that doesn't have the charisma and brilliance of Arkham or even the subtlety of Sanctus. Dante is a lost cause in that game as well, the most prominent thing about him is that coin trick.
The only thing remotely important is the Vie de Marli clan at the time of Sparda but the story of Sparda rebelling against its kind was an already known one.

Like, each game in the series, whatever its quality may be, adds something significant to the story. DMC1 is the start of it all, DMC3 gives Dante a bit more depth and makes Vergil an actual character that becomes as popular as his brother, DMC4 brings Nero to the roster of main characters. DMC2... what's it got?
I mean sure, its gameplay, however bad it was, still put down the basis for DMC3, so it's got its merits there, but I'm talking about canon wise, story wise. It is considered by so many fans to be such a detached title from the rest of the series for a reason. We're talking about references, or lack thereof, well that's a game that does no effort at all to link itself to the previous title. It just wasn't a significant addition to the story, in any way. So, like, if it does get retconned out of canon, or if it doesn't get mentioned ever again in future games, I'm not gonna cry about it, honestly.

Now I know, I'm gonna get flooded by replies from people that love that game but this is just my point of view, you're free to disagree but at least try to think about my points is all I ask.

 

[V's patron]

@Foxtrot94
I think it depends on how interested you are in continuity and how you feel about respecting other creator's work.

To me you can't clean your room by just chucking the mess under your bed. I rather they just acknowledged it and moved on from it. Or just straight out said 2 doesnt count rather than keeping it vague.

Sometimes you catch more fly with honey. The anime/4/DmC would have benefited more from using the existing stories more.

Fan do tend to focus more on what they could have had rather than what they do have infront of. Im guilty of that.

Im hoping 5 will be set after 2 but im sure it wont.

Oh well.

 

[heatlancer]

I'll start off by saying there are good odds they are ignoring dmc2. With that out of the way.

What exactly is the meaning of "direct" sequel? There seems to be a clear time skip here. Couldn't dmc2 easily have taken place between 4&5? Is direct sequel not just the directors saying the continuation of Nero's story? (which dmc4 was the beggining of).

What i'm trying to say is, yea, dmc2 likely wont be acknowledged but it's not because the guy said this is a "direct" sequel to 4.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

What exactly is the meaning of "direct" sequel? There seems to be a clear time skip here..

LOL thank you for pointing that out, somehow i completely missed this. DMC5 is obviously not a "Direct" sequel as in taking place right after DMC4.

 

[Foxtrot94]

What exactly is the meaning of "direct" sequel?

By direct they obviously don't mean they're close to each other in terms of time, but rather that there's nothing else putting itself between DMC4 and this game.

 

[windleopard]

@Foxtrot94
I think it depends on how interested you are in continuity and how you feel about respecting other creator's work.

To me you can't clean your room by just chucking the mess under your bed. I rather they just acknowledged it and moved on from it. Or just straight out said 2 doesnt count rather than keeping it vague.

Sometimes you catch more fly with honey. The anime/4/DmC would have benefited more from using the existing stories more.

Fan do tend to focus more on what they could have had rather than what they do have infront of. Im guilty of that.

Im hoping 5 will be set after 2 but im sure it wont.

Oh well.

Some of what you say I agree with and others I don't. While it is true that certain elements of other games were kept because of their reception others were simply there because the dev team wanted them there.

Trish is an example of this. You can't tell me she's a particularly deep character and she's arguably the weakest element of DMC 1's story. Not helping is that the franchise barely does anything with her being Dante's partner. Lucia by contrast has more going for her and was the series' first step in showing they actually can write female characters well she had her own story arc, history and combat skills which put her on a closer level to Dante. And unlike Nero who's just a Diet Coke version of two other characters, Lucia can hardly be confused for Trish or Lady. And all the issues of 2 doing nothing for Dante's character just as easily apply to 4.

And really if 2 was such a black mark they'd be better off removing it from continuity as they did with the reboot. No ones making them keep it in canon after all.

 

[V's patron]

@heatlancer

To me, a direct sequel is something taking place immediately after the previous entry or picking up the plot threads of the previous entrees. Most of DMC are standalone tales that don't really connect to each other. Often the games take place years apart so its not directly picking up after 4 but I'm hoping some of the plot threads like Nero's origins get explored better.

@windleopard
my whole post was just keeping DMC2 is a gesture of good will to the fans who liked DMC2 rather than it being a necessity. I mean i dislike the anime but I'm not wishing that it got rendered non-canon.

 

[Demi-fiend]

I'm not supporting or denying this theory, but it's got enough substance to chew on.

I'll wait and see what the actual game is like first.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

DmC was a sequel to DMC4 and it was also a reboot. DMC5 is a direct sequel to DMC4, meaning it continues with the characters, world , and story elements of DMC4 and ignores DmC, the most recent entry in the series (ignoring 4SE). I think they were trying to be clear which game it was a sequel to and state that they are trying to building a continuous story. Up to this point we had:

• DMC
• DMC2 - a sequel which basically ignored what happened in DMC but used the same world and protagonist. Where is Trish and Devil Never Cry?
• DMC3 - a prequel to DMC. It actually tied in a number of story elements of the first game. The game that I think had the most fleshed out story.
• DMC4 - a sequel to DMC which arbitrarily takes place before DMC2. It acknowledge sbtgat Vergil is dead and brought back Trish and Lady but there wasn't a deep connection to the plot of DMC or DMC3.
• DmC - a reboot
• DMC5 - a sequel to DMC4. The first numbered sequel to take place sequentially after the previous numbered entry in the series and build off or, at the very least, acknowledge the events of the previous entry.

The stories of DMC been all over the place but chonologically and with how much they connect to previous entries.

Hopefully they can work on busting out a solid plot with good writing that actually works to build off the stories of previous games and develops characters. They don't need long story scenes, in fact that would probably be very bad, they just need to produce them well. I don't expect anything amazing but it would be nice to see the characters at least either grow or get fleshed out, if not both.

 

[AgentRedgrave]

Until the game comes out, or it stated otherwise, I believe DMC5 is a direct sequel that begins during the events of DMC2.

DmC was a sequel to DMC4 and it was also a reboot.

Reboot AND a sequel?.......How?

 

[V's patron]

DmC is the only reboot we've actually had. It's a hard reboot in which everything must go.

DMC3 would be a soft reboot in which you pick and choose what you want to keep. Notable examples are DC's New 52/rebirth and Star wars after disney bought the franchise. Kamiya may or may not do this if he ever does a DMC game again. He considers DMC1 Dante to be his Dante but he wasn't that ruffled when Bingo pitched DMC3 (he might not care that much)

It's actually a retcon which is when you change an established fact (ie Vergil and Dante meeting before they meet in mallet island). It's not a very bad one because you could always play around with why people only know that Vergil died when Dante was a kid.

Plus them growing up together provides an easier shorthand for their relationship (this screwed DmC up but that's a whole other thread post).

 

[UncannyGarlic]

Reboot AND a sequel?.......How?

It's another entry in the DMC franchise. Sequels do not have to share continuity (e.g. Final Fantasy), they can simply he the continuation of a franchise. I suspect DmC's existence as a reboot is part of the reason Capcom stated that DMC5 is a direct sequel to DMC4 rather than just stating that it's a sequel. It clarifies that it's both in the same continuity as DMC4 and a continuation of DMC4's story.

That said, it's a redundant and confusing descriptor the way I used it. Still, it differentiates it from a spin-off entry in the series, as DmC was intended as the new direction for the series at the time.