The aftermath about Dante's + Vergil's plan

[Kishido]

Even if I like the game and the Limbo setting... if we look deeper into it, the whole plan made no sense... Yeah they have beaten and crashed limbo, whatever it is/was, but with this opened the gate to demon world and all around the world demons has gone on a rampage...

That was the goal? Well maybe they haven't known it, which could be easily shown with the being shocked but all we have seen was both of them + Kat watching over the city looking very happy until Vergil got his "dictator" issue and Dante talking about being da hero in the future

What have they been thinking about? They are responsilbe for the release which easily should result into death of a lot of humans, which had nothing to do with this and as we have learned, the angels don't give a damn about it... What has Dante thought with his line. Would he fly 24 hours/day all around the world saving people from attacking demons?

It makes no sense and is somehow strange if we look back at the old story.

There Sparda himself sealed the demon world to save humans... The villians try to open it and Dante stopped them... Now Dante opened it. Nice

As I said... I like the game and everything but if you look deeper, the whole thing makes no sense... But maybe that is the result of the unexplained limbus and how it is tied to the demon world.

If it would be just the limbus crashing down, we maybe could think the demons were released just into the one certain city the whole story took place. But as we have seen with the twitter and everything it was all around.

 

[Dante47]

The demons were always free, just disguised. Not to mention the fact that they were being brain washed and enslaved.
Now, humans can prepare themselves for the demons, and aren't ignorant to their existence.

We've seen human demon hunters like Lady in the past, so maybe we'll see more.
Also, the need for a specific small time business is going to be high in demand...

 

[Sunaka Marién]

Well, I guess they really didn't expect Limbo and the real world to merge or whatever happened exactly.
I think the reason they were looking over the city all happy and stuff was that they were just relifed that they had finally defeated Mundus and people aren't brain contolled anymore, thuss regaining their 'freedom'. And maybe they consider being free but directly endangered by demons to be better then controled by them. And we don't know how demons affected the human's lives apart from the brain control thing, I guess it is possible that they harmed them otherwise aswell. Just look at the 'Demon Collaborator' thingy, or the souls of people screaming in pain and fear with 'save our souls' written across the walls in overturn. I wouldn't wonder if peole's situation was even worse then what we were shown.
And with people seeing and being aware of the demons now, they can actually fight them themselves.
About what Dante said about protecting mankind, well, I always interpreted it as him taking care of no-one ever ruleing over them as some kinda superhuman dictator ever again.

 

[DankestDarkness]

It just didnt make sense to me at all they ain't free they freed demons to walk the earth that ain't freedom that's war

 

[Loopy]

Well, I guess they really didn't expect Limbo and the real world to merge or whatever happened exactly.
I think the reason they were looking over the city all happy and stuff was that they were just relifed that they had finally defeated Mundus and people aren't brain contolled anymore, thuss regaining their 'freedom'. And maybe they consider being free but directly endangered by demons to be better then controled by them. And we don't know how demons affected the human's lives apart from the brain control thing, I guess it is possible that they harmed them otherwise aswell. Just look at the 'Demon Collaborator' thingy, or the souls of people screaming in pain and fear with 'save our souls' written across the walls in overturn. I wouldn't wonder if peole's situation was even worse then what we were shown.
And with people seeing and being aware of the demons now, they can actually fight them themselves.
About what Dante said about protecting mankind, well, I always interpreted it as him taking care of no-one ever ruleing over them as some kinda superhuman dictator ever again.

Yep, they may have let Mundus trash the city and now made people freak out over monsters running around, but they have saved humans:troll:
I really wonder if the control was better? Its like Vergil and Mundus were saying: Give humans control, but what would they do with it? Especially as control is all humans have known.

Humans thought they were happy living under demon control because they were kept doped and didn't know any better. I don't know if that's worse than humans being aware of the threat at the end. Now they've got to fight demons. I'm assuming the demons would now turn to violence if their secret control modes have failed.

The only time demons used violence against humans while they ruled them were on the humans who became aware of demon existence and tried to stop it. People like that were dangerous to the system, so of course they needed to be locked away, punished and reporgrammed.
I'm assuming the collaborators did it willingly for power and money. Vergil mentions that's how Lilith converts powerful humans to the demon side at her club using things like that. Of course, there could be humans who are forced to do it, but if you're bribed with that kind of power and influence it's hard to resist. Besides, it's easier and quicker to do it like that than brainwashing.

Otherwise, I think demons kept humans in check with secret means like the news and food and banks. If you can do that, there's no need for violence. Besides, killing humans left, right and all over would not have helped Mundus' plan of harvesting human sould for power.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

Actually they sealed the hell gate, so the demons that are there are the only ones left in the world. Of course someone will come around and try to open a hell gate at some point, and it would be up to Dante to stop them. Just as its been for the original series.

The only reason they revealed demons was to show the humans that they are slowly dying by demon's hands. Virility is lobodimy in a can, the clubs take souls, the news is a lie that brain washes people, humans need to be aware of all this so that they could "face their demons" once and for all.

Dante and Vergil knew full well what was going to happen. Except Vergil was gonna be the ruler and wipe out the demons in a world wide sense, but at the same time, he'd also enslave them just as Mundus would have.

Dante wanted humans to be free so that they'd learn to fight for their own freedom just as he had to all his life. He's been raised to fight for his right to live, and now so will the humans.

And so these two ideals and beliefs clash.

 

[Dante's Stalker]

It just didnt make sense to me at all they ain't free they freed demons to walk the earth that ain't freedom that's war

Yep that's pretty much the end result.
Although, Dante thought he was doing good by setting humans free from slavery. Sparda sealed the demon world to protect the humans because Mundus wanted the two worlds to merge, to be in charge, rule over all and enslave mankind. Which is what he was doing in DmC. Dante crashed his party, which in a sense is probably what Sparda did as well (only he didn't know about Limbo, obviously).
Ignorance isn't bliss, it's stupidity. People would want to know if they're being mind-controlled. Bringing demons into view does set humankind free from their brainwashing. It gives them a chance to fight back where before they had none. It's pretty fair, I think.
And Vergil...well, he's like Sanctus, I recon. Probably thought if he acts the 'saviour' to the humans against the demons that they would put him on a pedestal. Which they probably would. People do stupid things all the time.
I'd like to see a DmC 2 where Dante and the people rally against psycho Vergil and his brainwashed minions.

 

[darkmanifest]

DragonMaster2010 is right, the hellgate's been sealed, so no new demons are coming through. The problem is that all the demons still stuck in the world have no master to control them, and so they'll be running around amongst people who have no idea how to kill them, and they'll be fighting to survive. Can you imagine the havoc a Tyrant or a Hunter or Dreamrunner can wreak with no higher power to guide them? They're flipping bulletproof, it's not like regular weapons will make a dent. To say nothing of any boss-level demons, Poison and the lot couldn't have been the only ones. There'll be a ton of casualties, just like there were when demons were throwing pieces of the city at Dante trying to kill him, and when Mundus turned into his giant form, trashing a huge chunk of the city to do it.

But the game doesn't acknowledge all the hundreds or even thousands of people killed by Dante and Vergil's campaign, or even the murders Dante himself committed (when he derailed a commuter train). It's hard to take Dante's feelings about humans seriously when his empathy seems entirely limited to Kat's well-being, no one else's. Vergil's reasons were selfish, but at least he was willing to fill in Mundus's place, and maybe take command over the wild demons himself. What's Dante going to do, besides sit back and watch the entire world go into a Defcon One meltdown? Like you said, he can't be everywhere at once, and unlike previous DMC games where you see humans holding their own against standard demons, it's outright said that humans are helpless against the demon threat in DmC.

So...yeah, it's kinda weird that at the end of the game Dante, Kat, and Vergil are all happy about what's going to be a really crappy future for the human race, at least for awhile. You'd think somebody would say "It's going to be really tough for awhile, but in the long term, humanity will rise up stronger than ever." And THEN Vergil pipes in with "lol humans can't rule themselves" and the fight can begin.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

Yep that's pretty much the end result.
Although, Dante thought he was doing good by setting humans free from slavery. Sparda sealed the demon world to protect the humans because Mundus wanted the two worlds to merge, to be in charge, rule over all and enslave mankind. Which is what he was doing in DmC. Dante crashed his party, which in a sense is probably what Sparda did as well (only he didn't know about Limbo, obviously).

Actually Sparda didn't try to seal the hell gate. He ran away with Eva and the two had twins.

Ignorance isn't bliss, it's stupidity. People would want to know if they're being mind-controlled. Bringing demons into view does set humankind free from their brainwashing. It gives them a chance to fight back where before they had none. It's pretty fair, I think.
And Vergil...well, he's like Sanctus, I recon. Probably thought if he acts the 'saviour' to the humans against the demons that they would put him on a pedestal. Which they probably would. People do stupid things all the time.
I'd like to see a DmC 2 where Dante and the people rally against psycho Vergil and his brainwashed minions.

I'd like that too.

a War between two brothers, locked in a epic battle that proves the fate of mankind and the very world.

It'd be like Sparda's tale in the old DMC.

 

[788Masri]

while most demons are bullet proof i dont think that theyre immune to all weapons. we see a molotov work fairly well against the hunter demon. so i imagine such caliber weapons would work well against lesser demons also.

as for what dante will do? isnt it obvious? hes going to go around far and wide anhilating every demon he encounters perhaps establishing a business ( eh eh). any more powerful demons will quickly go into hiding as the last thing they want to do is attract the attention of the nephilim who just wiped out Mundus. as you said theyre all the ones who were previously in the human realm ergo munduss minions.

Vergils plan benifitted humanity in the short term only , dante wanted to protect rather than rule.

 

[Krynn]

while most demons are bullet proof i dont think that theyre immune to all weapons. we see a molotov work fairly well against the hunter demon. so i imagine such caliber weapons would work well against lesser demons also.

*snip*

I thought that Kat's molotov was a spell to make the Hunter vulnerable to Dante's weapons, not an effective weapon for defeating a demon in and of itself. I mean, the Hunter seemed fairly annoyed by the molotov, but it wasn't hurt. I thought of it as kind of like getting an eyelash in your eye- it's annoying, hurts a bit, but won't physically injure you.

 

[788Masri]

I thought that Kat's molotov was a spell to make the Hunter vulnerable to Dante's weapons, not an effective weapon for defeating a demon in and of itself. I mean, the Hunter seemed fairly annoyed by the molotov, but it wasn't hurt. I thought of it as kind of like getting an eyelash in your eye- it's annoying, hurts a bit, but won't physically injure you.

perhaps, i hadnt thought of it like that. but my point still stands even if you argue that bosses ARE impervious to modern weapons. the lower ones most certainly arent. we see dante crush one using a gear in level 1 so theres no way a tank couldnt do the same.

 

[Krynn]

perhaps, i hadnt thought of it like that. but my point still stands even if you argue that bosses ARE impervious to modern weapons. the lower ones most certainly arent. we see dante crush one using a gear in level 1 so theres no way a tank couldnt do the same.

I totally agree that the lesser demons are killable, but boss-level ones would be way, way more problematic.

 

[788Masri]

I totally agree that the lesser demons are killable, but boss-level ones would be way, way more problematic.

which is where i imagine Dante would step in, he just killed Mundus THE DEMON GOD (tho i suspect theres more than one but even so i dont see how they would also be on Earth) any smart demon boss would instantly go into hiding to accumulate strength in some power play. the more ambitious ones would go after Dante head on to become the new head demon. while the stupid ones would be exposed attacking people and would end up being cut down by Dante very quickly.

also i imagine people would be very interested in Kats wiccan skills and eager to learn.

 

[Krynn]

which is where i imagine Dante would step in, he just killed Mundus THE DEMON GOD (tho i suspect theres more than one but even so i dont see how they would also be on Earth) any smart demon boss would instantly go into hiding to accumulate strength in some power play. the more ambitious ones would go after Dante head on to become the new head demon. while the stupid ones would be exposed attacking people and would end up being cut down by Dante very quickly.

also i imagine people would be very interested in Kats wiccan skills and eager to learn.

Do keep in mind that Kat and Dante cannot be everywhere. Plenty of people would die in the meantime.

 

[788Masri]

Do keep in mind that Kat and Dante cannot be everywhere. Plenty of people would die in the meantime.

very true, but no less than if Vergil was with them. i imagine this theme will be pursued in DmC2 (i hope) .

 

[Dante's Stalker]

Actually Sparda didn't try to seal the hell gate. He ran away with Eva and the two had twins.

Whoops. Okay? I can't remember what the story is in DmC but if that's the case, I think I like the original legend of Sparda better.
Bugger NT. Why'd they have to touch on Sparda's story? UGH.

 

[DankestDarkness]

Whoops. Okay? I can't remember what the story is in DmC but if that's the case, I think I like the original legend of Sparda better.
Bugger NT. Why'd they have to touch on Sparda's story? UGH.

Thank you someone understands me it's not good story telling to make a legend into a pu$$y

 

[Morgan]

TBH when the original story has "legend saves the world just once, pussifies himself on flimsy logic and turns 100% human, then lives for 2000 years to have just TWO kids, dies mysteriously and leaves his wife and kids nothing to defend themselves with" (and despite him supposedly saving Dumary and being worshipped in Fortuna as a god, we're supposed to believe he didn't pull up favors with them at all to protect his family), NT didn't really mess it up any worse than it already was. At least this doesn't allow people to wonder if Sparda impregnated Eva 2000 years ago, or through a portal.

 

[Alittleacorn]

The demons were always free, just disguised. Not to mention the fact that they were being brain washed and enslaved.
Now, humans can prepare themselves for the demons, and aren't ignorant to their existence.

We've seen human demon hunters like Lady in the past, so maybe we'll see more.
Also, the need for a specific small time business is going to be high in demand...

It's like that message we saw at the end of Mission 19, where all the posts online of people talking about the demons pan out to one single message.

We have awoken

Kat said mankind was asleep, and because of their acts, they've awoken them from that dream and made them aware of the demons.

But the game doesn't acknowledge all the hundreds or even thousands of people killed by Dante and Vergil's campaign, or even the murders Dante himself committed (when he derailed a commuter train). It's hard to take Dante's feelings about humans seriously when his empathy seems entirely limited to Kat's well-being, no one else's. Vergil's reasons were selfish, but at least he was willing to fill in Mundus's place, and maybe take command over the wild demons himself. What's Dante going to do, besides sit back and watch the entire world go into a Defcon One meltdown? Like you said, he can't be everywhere at once, and unlike previous DMC games where you see humans holding their own against standard demons, it's outright said that humans are helpless against the demon threat in DmC.

Actually, it does. Remember, Phineas warned Dante at the beginning of mission 10 with these words:

"But be warned, the fury of Mundus is boundless. Many thousands could perish."

It's made clear that their acts could have heavy conquences. But at the cost of freeing mankind from becoming mindless followers of Mundus, it was a risk they had to take in order to safe them. Of course if there'd been a less bloodier way out they probably would've taken it, but they couldn't. Taking out Mundus was the only way to go.

And Dante does care about mankind, but when he's pulled into Limbo he has no control of the world around [with exception of devil trigger] it's not made clear if the demons he kill in Limbo are just demons in disguise, or the demon collaborators as Vergil said. This would make sense, since you see the gust of humans in the real world, but they don't turn into demons and attack you when you go up to them.

Also when The Order is under attack, Dante is heard a number of times trying to tell the other members to flee and hide, so he is worried for them, but the problem was they didn't have the sight like Kat and thus couldn't hear or see him, just like every person in the real world. Kat became a focus in that mission because she was the only one that could [and his brother included] that, and he'd gotten to known her and needed to make sure she was ok. If he'd been introduced to others at headquarters by name and had gotten to known them too, he probably would've asked about them to Kat when he saw her.

As for humans, they've only just become aware of the demons, it's likely they'll learn to fight off against them over time without the need of the army to protect them. But Dante and Vergil's reasons for why they fought are meant to be a sort of grey area, where you don't know if which one is right.

-Would mankind better off under the control of Vergil, or would he just be another Mundus down the line?
-Is mankind better off on their own to make of the world as they will, or will they cause their own destruction in the end?

It's this sort of "neither one is right or wrong" concept that I like about the confrontation of the brothers. The path for mankind isn't a clear or certain, as are Dante and Vergil's reasons to be fighting. But that's just my opinion. Those final scenes could be viewed different by everybody.