I wish they would've characterized Dante better.

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Making a business out of demon killing, having a phone number and password, and only taking the job if it seems fun, may sound good in concept.
But not so much if you actually think about it.

1)The "Business" Part.
If you're a poor person, who is having a demon problem, you might as well not even bother calling, Devil May Cry.

2)Communication.
Even If you have the money, you would still have to know the phone number of a dingy shop in the middle of a the slums in a large NY-esque city.
And even if you know that as well, you still need the password.
(Pro Tip: The password is not your loved ones screaming in agony as you plead for his help.)

3)He's not very attentive.
It's iffy as to whether or not he actively searches for, finds, and destroys, potential world ending demonic threats.(Or even just does simple patrols around certain areas.)
Throughput most of the series he either, just so happens to be in the immediate vicinity, has to be dragged off of his a**, and/or has a personal grudge against the enemy.
The only exception to this being DMC2.

4)Laziness
Just imagine how many people got hurt and/or killed because Dante said a job didn't sound fun or stalled because he was busy doing something far less important.

Basically, he's a rubbish superhero.


Of course, Dante's personality itself doesn't indicate this, he doesn't seem like the kinda guy that would make such a convoluted way of trying to protect people.
But the fact that he complains about pay, is reluctant/wont take a job because it doesn't sound fun, and you need his phone number and password just to request help, does elude to it.

Granted, they mostly alleviated this problem with New Dante, but now that the human world and Limbo are semi-fused together, he doesn't have any excuses anymore.

 

[Viper]

Dude, what Dante says and what Dante does are generally two different things. But I guess with games being scarce on what Dante is like in private, one can get to such conclusion.
He says he is expensive, yet often ends up doing jobs that pay him nothing, and goes out of his way to help people and even save relationships. The password thing could be something to prove you already did business with him or you got his number through one of his contacts, making you more trustworthy in determining if it's really a demon or just a big lizard. Even then he has been known to take care of big lizards for a measly pay.
We don't know from where people get his number, but they have his number and they know where he lives. Heck, a ghost of a girl that never did business with him before knew where to find him. Newspaper, flyers left all over the city, contacts that would either point to Dante directly or to his agent... we just don't know.
Yes, we've heard him say he doesn't want to do something. Dante wants challenge, not escorting kids from point A to point B, or taking jobs from Lady where he does most of the dirty work and she walks off with the money, or being a rich politician's hitman.
He is mean to his friends when they express concern, but that can be him being scared that if they get too close the ghostly hand of death that follows him since childhood will fall on them as well. (lol, I'm so poetic.)
I think he does patrol the streets from time to time, at least I gathered as much from the episode "In private" (5th episode?), and since she came back, it's Trish who sometimes works as his eyes and ears on the street.
Also, there's been talk that Dante and Trish knew about something going on on Fortuna island before Lady came with the request, but with certain parts not making into the final product I can't confirm if it's canon.

 

[Bazilican]

Classic Dante's just a sh!t character. End of story.

 

[WolfOD64]

I would blame Dante's seemingly-problematic business practices on some of the unexplained tripe that the writers don't bother to enlighten us with. Seriously, 20+ anime episodes without the burden of gameplay or length concerns, and we still don't know basic things like how people acquire Dante's phone number.

In terms of Dante's careless and laid-back nature lacking better execution, well...his whole "I don't give a **** about anything besides pizza and partying" charade has been blown out of proportion since his horrendous characterization in DMC3, an aspect of his character that his woefully become a permanent staple.

I guess we can thank Bingo Morihashi for blessing the character with some of the most insufferable traits ever.

 

[Innsmouth]

1) There are pretty much obvious proofs there that Dante doesn't does what he does for money only
2) And how many would have been killed if he'd run after every single prank call or misunderstanding?
3) Well both anime and DMC2 prove otherwise. It's just games are usually centered around his lineage
4) probably none, since he still usually ends up helping.
In the end whole critic on his agency business doesn't really make any sense, since he is still one person and he need some info where demons appear. He can't just running around streets hoping that he suddenly find demons. It works with sh*tty TV shows where enemies pop out in neighborhood or through "accidentally" met people or through "accidentally" spotted something.
As for new Dante, aside from Kat he can't even do his job. He don't have any info on enemies and without it, he can only run around some city hoping some demons end up poping up. In the end though, most likely he misses most of demons around. New Dante acts more like brawl, but he needs brain to guide him.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

I think that was kind of the point of the character.. he was supposed to be cool demon hunter but not particularly a rich or a successful one.

 

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Like I said before, although I may have worded it badly.
Initially, Dante doesn't seem like the kinda guy to do the things I'm talking about, but it's like...

It seems like they gave him likable and respectful personality traits at first, then gave him a shop, business system, and complaints only a douchebag would have.
Without thinking of how the two conflict each other.

 

[Innsmouth]

Well i think shop is only means to obtain info on demons. And he need to separate misinformations and hoaxs from real deal. So i think its why he does have a password

 

[Gel]

All DMC characters fell victims to FLanderization, with them turning, in way or another, insufferable b*tches.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Flanderization.


Also, there's been talk that Dante and Trish knew about something going on on Fortuna island before Lady came with the request, but with certain parts not making into the final product I can't confirm if it's canon.[/QUOTE]

If that is true, it will play against Dante. Novel tells us it was Trish who give powerful Devil Arms to Order for them to open the gates to demons.They already had Devil Arms, but nothing as powerful as the ones she gave.
Order received too Sparda for free, to do whatever they want with it. If Dante (and Trish) knew about everything , but never did to stop them, or even the Ascended Horror related to the possibility they left it blew out of proportions because they just were bored, as I saw people commented about, well you know how DMC fell.It doesn't help Japanese people had access to media like novels and artbooks which, apparently, wide some facts from western fans and some on then disturbing. I hate capcom.

 

[Viper]

All DMC characters fell victims to FLanderization, with them turning, in way or another, insufferable b*tches.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Flanderization.

Also, there's been talk that Dante and Trish knew about something going on on Fortuna island before Lady came with the request, but with certain parts not making into the final product I can't confirm if it's canon.

If that is true, it will play against Dante. Novel tells us it was Trish who give powerful Devil Arms to Order for them to open the gates to demons.They already had Devil Arms, but nothing as powerful as the ones she gave.
Order received too Sparda for free, to do whatever they want with it. If Dante (and Trish) knew about everything , but never did to stop them, or even the Ascended Horror related to the possibility they left it blew out of proportions because they just were bored, as I saw people commented about, well you know how DMC fell.It doesn't help Japanese people had access to media like novels and artbooks which, apparently, wide some facts from western fans and some on then disturbing. I hate capcom.

Well, from how I see it, it works more against Trish. And it was said they knew something, but not everything. Dante didn't seem to be in on the plan of her infiltrating as Gloria and giving them devil arms. At least not from what was seen in the game. Well, he might have borrowed her those three other devil arms, but Sparda she took on her own.
Or, it could have been a faulty plan quickly made on scarce info, Dante is not known for great plans, he is more of a jump in guns blazing type, while Trish seems to be the one with ideas and he plays along.
It would have been an interesting take on her character had they went with this, with her losing emotions and not caring about potential victims at times for the sake of the mission, how it could have lead her into conflict with Dante who does care underneath his coolness.

But we can be guessing till next year, too little was given to create a reliable image.

 

[WolfOD64]

As for new Dante, aside from Kat he can't even do his job. He don't have any info on enemies and without it, he can only run around some city hoping some demons end up poping up. In the end though, most likely he misses most of demons around. New Dante acts more like brawl, but he needs brain to guide him.

Well, are you surprised? It's fairly obvious from the beginning of the game that the New Dante isn't a professional by any means. He's amateurish, and inexperienced in demon hunting---hence why Vergil has to explain everything in great detail, and even simplify a large strategy to his simplistic mindset.

The Old Dante, however, was lazy and incompetent as both a professional and an owner of an establishment, and that was in, what? The anime? DMC4? Well past his reckless days in DMC3. So what's his excuse for doing things that the Newer Dante does simply out of inexperience?

It seems like they gave him likable and respectful personality traits at first, then gave him a shop, business system, and complaints only a douchebag would have.
Without thinking of how the two conflict each other.

That's just one of the numerous inconsistencies plaguing the series since it was handed from Kamiya's Team Little Devils to Itsuno's team of developers. New group means new writers, but they didn't seem interested in keeping Dante in tone with his DMC1 incarnation.

Dante's later personalities conflicting with his older ones is probably one of the most glaring faults about the series' writing....there's no consistency in his portrayal, so there is no definitive portrayal. Every incarnation might as well be his own character.

All DMC characters fell victims to FLanderization, with them turning, in way or another, insufferable b*tches.

Once again, we have the new writers to thank for that...or rather, one in particular. :shifty:

 

[Innsmouth]

If that is true, it will play against Dante. Novel tells us it was Trish who give powerful Devil Arms to Order for them to open the gates to demons.They already had Devil Arms, but nothing as powerful as the ones she gave..

huh? Actually they had Yamato which they used to rip portals open.....Wether Trish gave them sword or not, they still would have done it :/

 

[berto]

huh? Actually they had Yamato which they used to rip portals open.....Wether Trish gave them sword or not, they still would have done it :/

Yamato way broken.

 

[Innsmouth]

Yamato way broken.

And yet it was Yamato that powered main demon gate, not Sparda. Only thing sparda did is turn sanctus into demon pope.

Well, are you surprised? It's fairly obvious from the beginning of the game that the New Dante isn't a professional by any means. He's amateurish, and inexperienced in demon hunting---hence why Vergil has to explain everything in great detail, and even simplify a large strategy to his simplistic mindset.

The Old Dante, however, was lazy and incompetent as both a professional and an owner of an establishment, and that was in, what? The anime? DMC4? Well past his reckless days in DMC3. So what's his excuse for doing things that the Newer Dante does simply out of inexperience?

Yet he does his job well, without screwing world in process, you know? New Dante is just as lazy and incompetent, but on top of that let's his brawl guide his brain, which reflects upon his action in a really bad way, to the point he just does something without bothering thinking of consequences or taking responsibilities for his screw-ups.

 

[berto]

And yet it was Yamato that powered main demon gate, not Sparda. Only thing sparda did is turn sanctus into demon pope.

Well, yeah, but only after Nero put it back together. When Trish gave them Sparda they didn't have a working Yamato so the Sparda sword was probably a blessing since Sparda used it for the ancient hellgate, the real one so it was perfect substitute and when they got a working Yamato, of course, the old dude was, like, dibs!

 

[Innsmouth]

Well, yeah, but only after Nero put it back together. When Trish gave them Sparda they didn't have a working Yamato so the Sparda sword was probably a blessing since Sparda used it for the ancient hellgate, the real one so it was perfect substitute and when they got a working Yamato, of course, the old dude was, like, dibs!

Well yet they never used sparda to open up the gate. Agnus worked on repairing Yamato instead. So I assume Sparda was never meant to open any portals.

 

[berto]

Well yet they never used sparda to open up the gate. Agnus worked on repairing Yamato instead. So I assume Sparda was never meant to open any portals.

I'm guessing that's because they didn't have Dante. The plan was to open the gate, let demons out and save the day with Dante as the engine for the statue. Besides, it looks like if you use a DA to open a gate the DA has to stay with the gate, like a battery so they'd keep the key one for the real deal. I'm not saying the thing ain't full of holes, 'cause, let's face it, if they had a back up for Dante they should've used it instead of screwing around and wait for the two of them to wreck the plan.

 

[WolfOD64]

Yet he does his job well, without screwing world in process, you know? New Dante is just as lazy and incompetent, but on top of that let's his brawl guide his brain, which reflects upon his action in a really bad way, to the point he just does something without bothering thinking of consequences or taking responsibilities for his screw-ups.

....take responsibility like say, abandoning his lifestyle of trust issues and suspicion to trust his life to a new group of people, or turning down previous temptations like the same strippers he usually indulged with in the past? And how he---oh, and I don't know---stands up to the only family he has left in the world to retain his protection of the human race, earning his place as the guardian of Earth in the process? And not in a raging, hot-blooded way either...he told Vergil about his new responsibilities in a calm and controlled way, just as Vergil fled from the scene.

And that was all by the end of one game, mind you.

Now, compare that to the original Dante. Three games and animated series go by, and how responsible is he by DMC4? Well, he's still in debt to people, he's still a raging man-child who has to be yanked into his responsibilities by Lady...but most importantly, he's in his 30's. Unlike the New Dante, he has no maturing to do---he's at his peak, and he's still just as amateurish and irresponsible as he was as a 19-year-old frat boy in DMC3.

At least one accepts responsibility at some point in the midst of his brawling nature and self-serving existence...whatever little professional nature and sense of responsibility the old Dante showed in DMC1 has been reduced to ash by his newer and lazier incarnations, all of which have showed even less growth and responsibility than the last...two things that the New Dante gets by the end of a single game.

 

[Innsmouth]

....take responsibility like say, abandoning his lifestyle of trust issues and suspicion to trust his life to a new group of people, or turning down previous temptations like the same strippers he usually indulged with in the past? And how he---oh, and I don't know---stands up to the only family he has left in the world to retain his protection of the human race, earning his place as the guardian of Earth in the process? And not in a raging, hot-blooded way either...he told Vergil about his new responsibilities in a calm and controlled way, just as Vergil fled from the scene.

And that was all by the end of one game, mind you.

Now, compare that to the original Dante. Three games and animated series go by, and how responsible is he by DMC4? Well, he's still in debt to people, he's still a raging man-child who has to be yanked into his responsibilities by Lady...but most importantly, he's in his 30's. Unlike the New Dante, he has no maturing to do---he's at his peak, and he's still just as amateurish and irresponsible as he was as a 19-year-old frat boy in DMC3.

At least one accepts responsibility at some point in the midst of his brawling nature and self-serving existence...whatever little professional nature and sense of responsibility the old Dante showed in DMC1 has been reduced to ash by his newer and lazier incarnations, all of which have showed even less growth and responsibility than the last...two things that the New Dante gets by the end of a single game.

Oh, you know, considering how in DMC4 he at least considered saving people in city and they parted with Trish to do it, while nDante done everything to raise victim count to the max. And he done it mainly because he just followed Vergil instead of thinking for himself. And it's not like he wasn't warned that ****ing mundus gonna rekt city.

I'm guessing that's because they didn't have Dante. The plan was to open the gate, let demons out and save the day with Dante as the engine for the statue. Besides, it looks like if you use a DA to open a gate the DA has to stay with the gate, like a battery so they'd keep the key one for the real deal. I'm not saying the thing ain't full of holes, 'cause, let's face it, if they had a back up for Dante they should've used it instead of screwing around and wait for the two of them to wreck the plan.

I think they didn't expected for Dante to pop up and ruin their plan, because without his intervention it would have succeeded

 

[Gel]

If you pay attention to DMC4, you'll find out Trish only had the idea of rescuing the civilians when Nero was absorbed by the Savior, Savior is now at full power and its destructive power was took up to eleven, with Dante making a frail attempt of calling her to her responsibilities, Even so, she had too late the idea of protecting the civilians, since a lot of them of them were already killed in gruesome fashion by the demons who got out the gates she helped to power up.
This all just because she was bored, game and novel conclude.