Tony_Redgrave
TimeLord Detective
Ιt was on purpose to see if I understood you correctly ^_^
"I need more power"
- Thread starter CoolDemon
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Because you don't seem to grasp the knowledge of hierarchy of power between Mundus and Vergil.
Nor you.
Anyway, I already proved that Vergil would lose, unlike you who proved me nothing.
So?
That doesn't prove the hypothetical victory of Vergil.
TheRebelliousDevil
Well-known Member
Nor you.
Pff, you proved nothing yourself, because it still isn't clear. My first version was right about Vergil's purpose of obtaining power, and yours was wrong. Don't be wrong again, learn from your mistakes. Dante is Dante, Vergil is Vergil. They're are DIFFERENT and Vergil is stronger in terms of gameplay, and he would have a chance of beating Mundus with full health. If not, then at least with some help. Past is past, Vergil is dead, so why talk about something we'll probably never know?
Keep telling that to yourself, keep being so self-confident and ignore everything I say and prove. Why am I even bothering with you? You were the one to jump towards me, not me.
Your wrong. I know perfectly what I'm talking about.
You're just blind, that's all.
I don't give a damn, since it's not proving Vergil's victory over Mundus.
In this thread alone you made several shameful mistakes. Apply your own advice too yourself.
Royal guard style is stronger than Dark Slayer style.
You still got no evidences to prove that he would win in full health.
What help? Sparda's family?
Why bother responding all this time, if it's that what you think.
You seem mad.
Because you want to win.
TheRebelliousDevil
Well-known Member
Doesn't seem like it. You're just blind, that's all. Proof:
Let me fix that:
No, you're pretending to be a wiseguy. Don't try and refute that. Your theories are hypothetical, you proved nothing. CAPCOM knows, and you don't work for CAPCOM now, do you?
It's like you proved something, but you didn't since it's not proving too. You only GUESSED, how can you possibly prove your theories to be so assuredly right? You're being too self-confident. Even your previous version was shamefully WRONG.
In this thread alone? Come on then, show some mistakes from other threads. Oh you won't? Of course not - there aren't any. And if I did some mistakes in this thread, they really aren't shameful... compared to your mistakes, e.g. your prev. version about Vergil's purposes.
We're not talking about styles here. If I controlled fully upgraded Vergil and you controlled fully upgraded Dante, I'd certainly win if my gaming skills were both equal or even worse than yours in battle. Vergil can have 3 melee weapons at a time, BTW, and can even cast his Spiral Swords all the time.
What makes you think you have at least more? He certainly would during gameplay. I'm not even trying to prove he'd win during a cut-scene.
I'm sure he would have gained some help (if battling within the Human World) because he learned a lot from Dante after their final battle. His character changed at least somewhat.
Because you started it and someone has to finish it.
You just don't know how to respond.
"Victory is my destiny." I'm sure you're the one "dying" for victory here.
CoolDemon
X will never be Y
Guys your killing this thread 
So before you guys argue any more ask yourself "What would Vergil say if he saw you guys arguing?".
ANSWER: 4:09
Replace name DAnte with your usernames
GETTING BACK ON TOPIC:
In the same video at (ABOVE) Vergil says
"Might controlls everything. And without strength you cannot protect anything, let alone yourself".
This supports the conclusion that Vergil wanted power (i guess in beginning) because he didn't want to see people around him dying (his mother).
So before you guys argue any more ask yourself "What would Vergil say if he saw you guys arguing?".ANSWER: 4:09
GETTING BACK ON TOPIC:
In the same video at (ABOVE) Vergil says
"Might controlls everything. And without strength you cannot protect anything, let alone yourself".
This supports the conclusion that Vergil wanted power (i guess in beginning) because he didn't want to see people around him dying (his mother).
I read your post and you still haven't proved me that Vergil would win.
You say that I was just guessing, but you are wrong.
I made logical deductions to prove his potential defeat against Mundus.
Why are you talking about the gameplay like it would change Vergil's destiny?
The problem is that he is fighting in Hell.
Tell me TheRebelliousDevil, what did he learned from Dante?
I don't know for you CoolDemon, but it's more easy to kill than to protect.Guys your killing this thread
ANSWER: 4:09
As for 4:09, Nelo Angelo would like to talk with you Vergil.
TheRebelliousDevil
Well-known Member
Just in gameplay. Mundus is powerful but not as nearly as Sparda. If Vergil's father did it, he might have done it too using all means IMO.
Err... prove his defeat? Vergil was defeated, but your logical deductions about him losing with full health don't mean anything as long as CAPCOM doesn't say "Vergil couldn't have defeated Mundus even if he had been in his full vitality". It's not up to us to decide. For example, this thread is about the reasons of Vergil's goal of achieving his father's power. I had my version of why he wants it, just like others. And then one guy came here and "BAM!" he posts the whole truth about it, approved by CAPCOM, which happens to be my version.
You can prove, guess, argue, but there's a big chance you might either miss or hit.
Because DMC is much richer in gameplay than in story. Gameplay is pretty much what DMC's famous for. It doesn't change Vergil's destiny though.
Once again, that I know
First of all, let me fix that:
After the final battle, when Vergil succumbs to Dante, he asks himself "Am I... being defeated?" like he's accepting defeat. Also, when Vergil's amulet falls into the water, it's clear he realizes he will never have Sparda's power, but still takes the amulet with himself so Dante couldn't have it, even if Dante doesn't want it. As Dante defeated Vergil, Vergil chose to live and stay in Hell rather than to die while attempting to get the power. It seems that Vergil's desire wasn't so heavy after all, or maybe it always was but not after their struggle. Vergil came to his mind when Dante defeated him, so he had gained wisdom from his brother and kind of learned that power isn't the most important thing. Either way, Dante affected him in a positive way. Vergil might had even told himself in his mind the contradictory to the 4:09 part of the video.
That's true, but I didn't understand the "Nelo Angelo would like to talk with you, Vergil" part.
And now an answer for all of you:
6:13 of the video.
Using all means? Like what?
I doubt that Capcom would say something about the whole Vergil(full health) vs Mundus subject.
Ok.
Déjà vu all over again.Once again, that I know
I see.
What I meant is that he was foolish enough to jump in the depths of Hell while weakened from his fight against Dante. Then he decided to fight against Mundus without Sparda's power(he didn't have choice anyway)while claiming that he could do it like his father. What happened? He became a mindless knight for ten years. Also I would like to add the moment he said: "This place was our father's home". Home or not, Sparda was hated(and still is) by the demons, after his rebellion. So Vergil would have to endlessly fight against legions of demons without any rest. Unless by a miracle, he would manage to make some demons rally with him.
TheRebelliousDevil
Well-known Member
Vergillicious
You will not forget this devil's power!
I thought Vergil hated his father for rebelling against the demons and siding with the humans?
Is there any proof that Sparda actually died?
Not according to Ultimate MvsC3
DeamonslayeR
The one true son of Sparda
Vergillicious
You will not forget this devil's power!
"I see, thanks..you still **** me off though" lol
ROCKMAN X
Keyser Söze
LOL if i were you i would stay off those wikia's they are non-canon fan-based crap it isn't relaible or official
DeamonslayeR
The one true son of Sparda
yeah but way back in an interview of dmc 3 when it was released they said the exact same thing that sparda died when they were young. im trying to find that interview it was back in 2005
Tony_Redgrave
TimeLord Detective
He did die. Prologue in DMC1 states his death. Dante's speech after Griffon dies implies that he only knew Sparda through Eva's stories. So there you have it.
ROCKMAN X
Keyser Söze
I think Sparda coming back and fighting dante would make an epic ending for DMC saga don't you think ?? like in the end dante has to face the Sparda and nero has to face resurrected vergil that would be something cool if capcom manages to bring vergil&sparda back somehow
extra life
live dt demonstration
vergil lost to dante in dmc3 final mission. why do you think he left force edge and challenged mundus? pride,i guess. he was really shook up at the end cutscene:
'am i... being defeaten?'
he decided to fight mundus in all or nothing suicide mission the way it seams to me. maybe he was fed up off it all,his long pursue for power,making himself beleive he was invincible,only to be defeaten by his unworthy brother. pride takes another victim. in full strength,with clear mind,seriously,who knows what would happen.
and tehnically,if we'd bring the in game characters,vergil and dante to their absolute potencial,no one would be hurt,no one would win or lose,it could last forever without damage due to the invincibility frames in both that can counter any style. it is a game,you can't compare it to the story. in story,the way i see it,dante was at the begining superceded by vergil,even killed untill it unlocked his devil trigger. that is how dante 'defies logics' and evens with vergil. in the end,though,somehow,dante wipes the floor with vergil. why?
'you surrendered your humanity,its that simple' - dmc4,dante vs agnus
and i beleive vergil's real reason for seeking power is of course,to protect those around him,take control and rule.
'might controls everything. and without it,you cannot save anyone let alone YOURSELF.'
seeing death of those around him,he felt life as worthless and decided to CONTROL EVERYTHING one day. he might have admired his father due to his grand achievements. as being his son,he might have wanted to finish where his father left off,in his family name. vergil did not show a lot of feelings but was far from having none. he did have a personality else he wouldn't have all those meaningfull dialogs.
'am i... being defeaten?'
he decided to fight mundus in all or nothing suicide mission the way it seams to me. maybe he was fed up off it all,his long pursue for power,making himself beleive he was invincible,only to be defeaten by his unworthy brother. pride takes another victim. in full strength,with clear mind,seriously,who knows what would happen.
and tehnically,if we'd bring the in game characters,vergil and dante to their absolute potencial,no one would be hurt,no one would win or lose,it could last forever without damage due to the invincibility frames in both that can counter any style. it is a game,you can't compare it to the story. in story,the way i see it,dante was at the begining superceded by vergil,even killed untill it unlocked his devil trigger. that is how dante 'defies logics' and evens with vergil. in the end,though,somehow,dante wipes the floor with vergil. why?
'you surrendered your humanity,its that simple' - dmc4,dante vs agnus
and i beleive vergil's real reason for seeking power is of course,to protect those around him,take control and rule.
'might controls everything. and without it,you cannot save anyone let alone YOURSELF.'
seeing death of those around him,he felt life as worthless and decided to CONTROL EVERYTHING one day. he might have admired his father due to his grand achievements. as being his son,he might have wanted to finish where his father left off,in his family name. vergil did not show a lot of feelings but was far from having none. he did have a personality else he wouldn't have all those meaningfull dialogs.