what would be the best way to bring back vergil...

[GTH]

Vergil hit his head by somesing especially hard, and the end of description

 

[Dante's Stalker]

interesting idea but it is based on two incorrect idea's ( don't take this personally)

1. That Vergil would let someone else keep Yamato:
a swordsmen's sword is his life, his very soul. Yamato is as much a part of Vergil as the hand that holds it. even if it wasn't part of his fathers legacy Vergil's pride would not allow another to use it while he is alive. it's power isn't what matters there may even be stronger swords but no other sword is connected to his heart like Yamato. any other weapon is just a piece of metal. to say Vergil would accept someone else having it is like saying you would be okay with someone else having half your body.

2.Tnat Nero is a demon who wants power for the sake of power: Nero is not a demon. he is human. his arm, his physical capability they don't really matter. his heart and soul are completely 100% human. he is not like Dante and Vergil who are equally demon and human. out of all major characters in dmc Nero is the least likely to turn evil. he fights for love( lame as that may sound to some people). as long as he has enough power to protect kyrie he is happy. if the voice in his head says otherwise than Nero will just have to explain a few things to it.


now if Vergil was a lowlife brawler and Nero was a heartless demon than your idea would be great.

*theory blown outta the water*
Damn. I didn't think that through.

 

[Poroner]

Go to hell and bring him back.

 

[haziq]

BY USING VERGIL sword YAMATO..

 

[moseslmpg]

Since the chronology of the games are 3, 1, 4, 2 I say put Vergil in hell. Dante was headed to hell in 2 and he should find his brother there. He can find parts of his soul, all of him, or a shadow of him. Whatever it is he should be residing in hell.
The object could be finding him then going to seal off whatever crap Arius caused in DMC2.

Yes. I had this idea a while back myself, but it wasn't going to be Vergil's comeback per se. I think they should have a prequel game leading up to his comeback, explaining what he has been doing for so long.

2.Tnat Nero is a demon who wants power for the sake of power: Nero is not a demon. he is human. his arm, his physical capability they don't really matter. his heart and soul are completely 100% human. he is not like Dante and Vergil who are equally demon and human. out of all major characters in dmc Nero is the least likely to turn evil. he fights for love( lame as that may sound to some people). as long as he has enough power to protect kyrie he is happy. if the voice in his head says otherwise than Nero will just have to explain a few things to it.

I agree with you on number 1 but totally disagree on number 2. First of all, Nero isn't a human, he is some part or fraction demonic. Secondly, because he is mostly human he is actually more susceptible to being overtaken by his demonic side. If he starts using DAs, which are the souls of demons that could influence him, or absorbs some demonic artifacts in the DB, or the DB starts to overtake his body, he is at risk of being consumed by his demonic side. I mean, he basically gets possessed by the DB anyway with his DT. There is also the possibility that Nero one day does not have enough power to protect Kyrie, just as Vergil lacked power to protect Eva, and then all hell breaks loose.

The twins vs. a rogue Nero (who dies in the end) would be pretty epic, and a logical conclusion IMO. Capcom just doesn't have the story framework to make it work, because they constantly neglect to work toward a common goal.

Anyway, does this comeback have to be after DMC4? That seems to limit the possibilities considerably. I mean, does it have to be only with stuff Capcom has given us or can characters be invented and such?

 

[GamblingGambitCloud]

interesting idea but it is based on two incorrect idea's ( don't take this personally)

1. That Vergil would let someone else keep Yamato:
a swordsmen's sword is his life, his very soul. Yamato is as much a part of Vergil as the hand that holds it. even if it wasn't part of his fathers legacy Vergil's pride would not allow another to use it while he is alive. it's power isn't what matters there may even be stronger swords but no other sword is connected to his heart like Yamato. any other weapon is just a piece of metal. to say Vergil would accept someone else having it is like saying you would be okay with someone else having half your body.

2.Tnat Nero is a demon who wants power for the sake of power: Nero is not a demon. he is human. his arm, his physical capability they don't really matter. his heart and soul are completely 100% human. he is not like Dante and Vergil who are equally demon and human. out of all major characters in dmc Nero is the least likely to turn evil. he fights for love( lame as that may sound to some people). as long as he has enough power to protect kyrie he is happy. if the voice in his head says otherwise than Nero will just have to explain a few things to it.


now if Vergil was a lowlife brawler and Nero was a heartless demon than your idea would be great.

Actually....since we dont know Nero's parentage 100% and there is the increasing possibility that he IS vergil's son, that means that there is demon in him as well....meaning that there is no 100% human in his soul

 

[darkslayer13]

Actually....since we dont know Nero's parentage 100% and there is the increasing possibility that he IS vergil's son, that means that there is demon in him as well....meaning that there is no 100% human in his soul

his body is definitely not fully human. but what i meant by saying Nero has a completely human heart and soul was he doesn't think or feel things like a demon. the best way to explain this is by comparison.

Vergil: appears to lack even a trace of human emotion unless you really pay attention to what he is saying.

Dante: lives and mostly acts as a human but if you pay attention you will notice clear demonic personality traits.

in the opening cutscene of dmc4. a lot of what looked like humans were killed by Dante without the slightest sign of guilt. a normal human would not be able to help feeling some guilt even knowing the ones killed weren't actually human.

an of course there's Dante's absolute lack of fear or doubt. regardless of ability humans doubt themselves.
they constantly struggle to continue when things seem impossible. Dante doesn't even seem to care.

and the fact that Dante was close to joking around even when agreeing to credo's last wish.

Dante almost never feels any form of deep emotion except in cases where a normal person would probably be traumatized and unable to do anything and even then Dante is able to shrug it off and keep moving forward.

in summary Dante's emotions seem alot different from a humans. he seems as much a demon as human.


Nero: his emotions and behaviors are human. people who dislike Nero have even called him emo. have you ever seen a dmc demon that could be called emo. Nero is highly emotional and deeply affected by the situation around him. if his heart resembled a demons in the slightest his reactions would have been far different even with the person he loves in danger. the only thing that mattered to him was Kyrie. after suddenly gaining great power his only thought was that it would help him save Kyrie. a demon would have been at least a little happy about the new power. Dante ( our best example of a dmc half demon) would have had to stop for a minute to play around with his new power( you know he would.)

 

[moseslmpg]

I think you are making a false dichotomy. Nero kills without remorse, he even killed Sanctus without any issues, and he was just an old man. And Nero is ****y and he does play around.

The fact that he wants to protect Kyrie doesn't mean anything about his soul or anything like that. He has demonic blood and he has demonic power. The only difference is that he didn't know this for 17-19 years so he is used to acting human.

 

[Devil Bane]

^

Spoiler

Ok...going by that logic,our grandparents must damned for fighting against Hittler because he was only one old man with isuues.

Or going by that logic excact logic,Nobunaga was the most righteous hero of all time and theones that stood up to him were the worst villains of all time because they didn't want his tyranicall rule.

Or hey,all of us greeks are bad because we send away a king that couldn't do anything else other than drink our blood and treat us like insects while we wanted our freedom,not some royal bastard from an unknown family!

And really...Sanctus...just an old man...did you ever play DMC4 or are completelly unable to see his true nature...or the human nature at all?

 

[moseslmpg]

None of the things you listed follow from my logic even remotely. Hitler wasn't an old man, he committed atrocities. Nobunaga wasn't actually all bad, despite what Onimusha and Basara will tell you. Sanctus was at worst a misguided savior, and at best a vanguard of humanity. As far as I saw, he killed no one and protected all the humans on Fortuna, and had a plan to destroy demons. Exactly the same as Dante. Sanctus was not the avatar of evil that Arkham, Arius, and Mundus were.

The only logic I'm using is in not stereotyping people into totally good or totally evil. Nero is just a little less pure than a regular human, since he has demonic power and demonic blood. Nero isn't Jesus or something, and he is susceptible to being overtaken by demonic power if he isn't careful.

 

[Devil Bane]

Oho...Someone hasn't read their history about the idiot of Owari it seems...sure,he is not the Devil God BASARA or Onimusha show,but he isn't as pure and misguided as Samurai Warriors show.Maybe at first,but he evolved to the man known to history now.

And as for Sanctus : no...he is not misguided and do not be fooled by him.He is a devious and extremely malicious man.If anyone is misguided in the Order of the Sword is everyone else except for Agnus.Seriously,the guy is Koba in-game : he was trolling everyone for years until he got what he wanted and still continued to troll them.

And even if he killed no one.it still doesn't justify the fact that he aked and gave the permission and idea to Agnus to make the ascension ceremony.That's worse than killing somebody.[Ok at least theoritically.]

Also are you sure about not killing anybody?Maybe not directly,but Agnus freaked out when Nero found out what's happening when he was investigating about Dante[when he was still on the Order's side] and he would have killed him if it wasn't for Yamato and the Devil Bringer.

Also : making Hell Gates and bringing god knows how many demons from the to flood Fortuna and the he awakened the Saviour without a second thought of sacrificing Nero and Kyrie,his right-hand man's sister,who by the way,didn't even give a rat's 4$$ at all and then start going berserk and the only thing that stop totall onslaught is Dante,isn't excactly good-willed.Unless you are from the order's braindead/brainwashed unit.

At worst Sanctus is some power thirsty idiot that found a way o satisy his lust for power by the way we saw in the game and at best he is the most evil,shrewed,devious and malicious human being in DMC along with beeing the most successfull troll in the game series for fooling everyone and for so many years.And in either way,he is not misguided;he misguides and does an awesome job.