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what would be the best way to bring back vergil...

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darkslayer13

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...if you're answer is don't then don't reply.

when i say bring back Vergil I mean:

1. in a game that takes place after dmc4
2. in his own body. ( not as a spirit or possessing Nero or anything like that)
3. as a major character
4. with an actual reason ( not just Vergil randomly appearing)

all of us Vergil fans need to get together and prove that there is a good way to bring Vergil back.

( i repeat, if you don't think Vergil should come back don't reply (unless our amazing ideas convince you that there is a good way to bring him back:))
 
D.E.Mortal;259657 said:
hmmm...
his own game...like rite after eva's death

that would be a good idea but it doesn't fit what this thread is for. this thread is for ideas on what way to bring Vergil back in a game after dmc4. ( after Dante beats Nelo Angelo( technically an idea in between dmc1 and dmc4 would work but after dmc4 would be better ) the most important part of this would be to explain how Vergil would be alive in a plausible way.
 
Well the yamato as pieces of Vergil soul obviusly, so maybe his spirit ended sealed on the sword after DMC1?.

So of a strange way that would be a BIG SPOILER IF I SAY IT, he would return, but not like a clone a copy or something.
 
Vergil's soul in Yamato. that has been basis for a less then interesting comeback idea. ( one where Vergil never actually gets a body or dose anything interesting) but it could also be used as a basis for a good comeback idea as long as Vergil manages to somehow get a body.
 
(I've suggested before that he should 'come back' in a prequel from the time when he and Dante were still friends. Obviously they hunted demons together, since in DMC3's 'Jackpot' scene they both knew exactly what to do and how to work together.)

But in a game after DMC4 in the timeline... DMC's universe uses the idea of immortal and transferrable souls, so even if he's dead, his soul still exists; he could reside in a weapon, he could reside in another person, he could be rebuilt in his former image (remember Mundus making Trish in Eva's image). I dunno, what if Mundus remade him and sent him back like he did her? Mundus isn't dead, after all, at the end of DMC1, just sealed.

...This all sounds really crap to me now that I've typed it. And I keep thinking of Gilver, and how I wouldn't want to see anything like him in the next game.
 
darkslayer13;259659 said:
that would be a good idea but it doesn't fit what this thread is for. this thread is for ideas on what way to bring Vergil back in a game after dmc4. ( after Dante beats Nelo Angelo( technically an idea in between dmc1 and dmc4 would work but after dmc4 would be better ) the most important part of this would be to explain how Vergil would be alive in a plausible way.

ohhh...then i got nuthin:(
 
Lexy;259733 said:
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But in a game after DMC4 in the timeline... DMC's universe uses the idea of immortal and transferrable souls, so even if he's dead, his soul still exists; he could reside in a weapon, he could reside in another person, he could be rebuilt in his former image (remember Mundus making Trish in Eva's image). I dunno, what if Mundus remade him and sent him back like he did her? Mundus isn't dead, after all, at the end of DMC1, just sealed.

...This all sounds really crap to me now that I've typed it. And I keep thinking of Gilver, and how I wouldn't want to see anything like him in the next game.


no i't actually makes sense. of course the most often suggested place is Yamato. and in the dmc universe making a body seems easy. Mundus made Trish, Arius made Lucia. someone else could make a new body for Vergil and it would be easier since they wouldn't have to make a soul they would just use Vergil's.


now we have a plausible scenario for how Vergil could come back. the only question left is why( well that and how they manage to get Yamato from Nero) and that is a matter for fan fics.
 
Welll...Nero Angelo exploded...so...gathering the pieces that were left and using Anu-I mean Agnus' tech to remake a body of Vergil would be some idea[although a bit Frankestein-y :P]Then by uniting the "body" with Yamato[supposing Yamato is the soul holder of Vergil] wouldn't he be able to make a comeback?
 
Devil of War;259864 said:
A part of Vergil's soul being sealed in Nero's arm and being released one day.

but that would mean that Vergil would be the source of Nero's power and then if Vergil came back Nero would become useless. and that would be boring. but if Vergil's soul is in Yamato. then Vergil could come back and Nero would keep the Devil Bringer. (Nero is not as cool as Vergil but he is still worth keeping around)
 
darkslayer13;260316 said:
but that would mean that Vergil would be the source of Nero's power and then if Vergil came back Nero would become useless. and that would be boring. but if Vergil's soul is in Yamato. then Vergil could come back and Nero would keep the Devil Bringer. (Nero is not as cool as Vergil but he is still worth keeping around)

Agreed with DS point.

The two are cool(Well Vergil coat makes him cooler*gets slameed by Nero*)

And that theory about Vergil being in Nero arm is a little re-used.

The line "Power give me more power". Is a little trademark for DMC demons dont ya think, in the DMC universe every demon goal is to get more power one way or the other.
 
Since the chronology of the games are 3, 1, 4, 2 I say put Vergil in hell. Dante was headed to hell in 2 and he should find his brother there. He can find parts of his soul, all of him, or a shadow of him. Whatever it is he should be residing in hell.
The object could be finding him then going to seal off whatever crap Arius caused in DMC2.
 
Lexy;259733 said:
(I've suggested before that he should 'come back' in a prequel from the time when he and Dante were still friends. Obviously they hunted demons together, since in DMC3's 'Jackpot' scene they both knew exactly what to do and how to work together.)

But in a game after DMC4 in the timeline... DMC's universe uses the idea of immortal and transferrable souls, so even if he's dead, his soul still exists; he could reside in a weapon, he could reside in another person, he could be rebuilt in his former image (remember Mundus making Trish in Eva's image). I dunno, what if Mundus remade him and sent him back like he did her? Mundus isn't dead, after all, at the end of DMC1, just sealed.
Took the words right outta my head!
But then the question would be why he would do that in the first place? Sure, Nelo Angelo had been loyal, but he'd also been too weak. Logically, if I was some master mind evil king of the underworld, I wouldn't bother putting together a slain puppet of mine if he'd already proven that he can be beaten by 'a mortal'.

Plus, that has been done before. The next game should blow fans away and bring something new to the table, while sticking to the original DMC. I don't think anyone would really wanna see a repeat of something that's already been done.
So, why not throw in a twist?

Instead of Mundus creating a body for Vergil's soul, why not have Sparda be the one to create a body for him instead? Sparda was Mundus' equal, and he had to be sharp of mind, so why couldn't he pull off the same stunts as Mundus? He'd have every right to since it's his bloodline Mundus was screwing around with.

I'm still stuck on the reason WHY Vergil ought to come back because it depends on a lot of factors, eg. the next setting, the next 'great evil'. I'd bring Vergil back just for the sheer entertainment of seeing him and Dante exchange banter AND work together as a team. On the Yamato aspect, however, I don't think Vergil would simply want it back because it was 'his' sword. I think he'd be a bit more mature about something like that instead of whining like a little brat to have his toy back. So if he does go after it, it has to be with good reason.

So...why not turn the previous protagonist into the antagonist, and vice versa? As TCD pointed out, demons naturally have the insatiable lust for power, so what if Nero becomes more demon (as has been suggested before somewhere on the forum) and along with his transformation, his mind becomes corrupt because he has no one there to guide him? So Nero becomes this big bad guy who, maybe unlike Vergil who wanted to follow in Sparda's footsteps, Nero wants to overthrow Mundus to rule both realms. It'd be so...Nero-ish. Well, he did think he can take Dante down, so why won't his immature demon mind think he can replace Mundus?

Which is where Vergil comes into the story - he'd have learnt the error of his ways and joined Dante's cause, and Nero going all out evil would be good reason for Vergil to want Yamato back. Seeing as it's the sword that separates the demon realm from the human realm, it gives Nero one heck of a card to play.

That's the only reason I can come up with for how and why Vergil would come back. Otherwise, I really don't know, he'd probably just be there for fan service, you know?
 
I think people need to learn that the Vergil that they all want, the DMC3 Vergil, ain't coming back. Just my two cents.
 
DreadnoughtDT;260520 said:
I think people need to learn that the Vergil that they all want, the DMC3 Vergil, ain't coming back. Just my two cents.

Thats what I thought about DMC3 Dante but I underestimated how little they cared about the consistency of his character.
 
Chloe_Ryder;260487 said:
On the Yamato aspect, however, I don't think Vergil would simply want it back because it was 'his' sword. I think he'd be a bit more mature about something like that instead of whining like a little brat to have his toy back. So if he does go after it, it has to be with good reason.

So...why not turn the previous protagonist into the antagonist, and vice versa? As TCD pointed out, demons naturally have the insatiable lust for power, so what if Nero becomes more demon (as has been suggested before somewhere on the forum) and along with his transformation, his mind becomes corrupt because he has no one there to guide him? So Nero becomes this big bad guy who, maybe unlike Vergil who wanted to follow in Sparda's footsteps, Nero wants to overthrow Mundus to rule both realms. It'd be so...Nero-ish. Well, he did think he can take Dante down, so why won't his immature demon mind think he can replace Mundus?

Which is where Vergil comes into the story - he'd have learnt the error of his ways and joined Dante's cause, and Nero going all out evil would be good reason for Vergil to want Yamato back. Seeing as it's the sword that separates the demon realm from the human realm, it gives Nero one heck of a card to play.

That's the only reason I can come up with for how and why Vergil would come back. Otherwise, I really don't know, he'd probably just be there for fan service, you know?


interesting idea but it is based on two incorrect idea's ( don't take this personally)

1. That Vergil would let someone else keep Yamato:
a swordsmen's sword is his life, his very soul. Yamato is as much a part of Vergil as the hand that holds it. even if it wasn't part of his fathers legacy Vergil's pride would not allow another to use it while he is alive. it's power isn't what matters there may even be stronger swords but no other sword is connected to his heart like Yamato. any other weapon is just a piece of metal. to say Vergil would accept someone else having it is like saying you would be okay with someone else having half your body.

2.Tnat Nero is a demon who wants power for the sake of power: Nero is not a demon. he is human. his arm, his physical capability they don't really matter. his heart and soul are completely 100% human. he is not like Dante and Vergil who are equally demon and human. out of all major characters in dmc Nero is the least likely to turn evil. he fights for love( lame as that may sound to some people). as long as he has enough power to protect kyrie he is happy. if the voice in his head says otherwise than Nero will just have to explain a few things to it.


now if Vergil was a lowlife brawler and Nero was a heartless demon than your idea would be great.
 
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