DreadnoughtDT
God of Hyperdeath
I'm fairly certain he didn't mean anything like that. But I'd agree with him: Jak's style doesn't really work with Dante.
What the Hell is happening with DmC?
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I'm fairly certain he didn't mean anything like that. But I'd agree with him: Jak's style doesn't really work with Dante.
V's patron
be loyal to what matters
yeah i know, just overreacted my bad.
But i do think how jak looks would be closer to you ,Storm said Dante would turn out in a another thread.
i think travis touchdown would mesh better because he is anime stereotype turned on its head the same way Dante was in DMC3 and NMH is made with with the punk aesthetic in mind.
But i do think how jak looks would be closer to you ,Storm said Dante would turn out in a another thread.
i think travis touchdown would mesh better because he is anime stereotype turned on its head the same way Dante was in DMC3 and NMH is made with with the punk aesthetic in mind.
Dante's Stalker
"Outrun this!"
A game smacking of fan service is often predictable, often falls just short of the fans' expectations, and it's boring as hell. Why would you want to play a game where you already know what's going to happen, how it's going to look, what to do when, how it's going to end, etc etc. It's a lot more fun and stimulating if you get new challenges thrown at you, like getting to know your new weapons and styles and figuring out how to kill new demons. Why would you want to play a game that you've already played before in a different guise? I have to disagree that fan service games are among the best of fans. It might make some fans happy to get exactly what they want, but it might also leave a lot of fans disappointed for getting exactly what they want. Where's the surprise? Where's the intrigue? It all goes out the window and you play through the game yawning all the way because you know what's coming next. You've been there, done that, got the scores to prove it.
And I agree with Z218. I'm glad NT and Capcom are sticking to their guns. If they were to bend to the fans' every whim, it would discredit them as developers because their creativity will be directed by the fans, instead of putting out what THEY want. They would lose my respect if they caved in under all the backlash. A lot of fans don't like the look of DmC, but that doesn't mean there won't be fans (and not-yet-fans) who won't like it. Either way they're going to make money off this game. All the hype and fuss that fans have been making is plastered all over the internet. It's going to catch the attention of other gamers, who might not be familiar with DMC and will think DmC looks interesting, and so they'll win over a new fanbase, and it won't really matter at the end of the day that DMC fans are refusing to buy. Because gamers who are into the RE series but have never been into the whole gothic white haired hero thing, might be tickled by the new look of DmC, and they'll 'replace' the 'old' fans. I wouldn't want them to change Dante completely back, and if they do make changes, which I'm sure they will, it ought to be in-between. I'll be very disappointed if they scrap new Dante and end up going with the old one. It won't be a month and I swear people will be complaining about how stale Dante is or how he's 'too much like Vergil'. And it won't say much about them as independent gaming companies either. They can make up for it in the next game by giving the fans whatever the hell they want. As long as they stick to it and do what THEY have set out to do with this reboot, they'll have my respect and adoration. And my money.
aka958
Don't trust people
Okay, skipping the latter part of the wall of text I can say that you are really good at taking what I said out of context. Of course I meant that it should've been a copy of it's predeccessors with minor changes. Of ourse. ^_^
Dominus
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DMC3 was a fan service and that was the best game in the series so I don't see how this is relevant. The problem with DMC a reboot is that it doesn't feel like it warrants a reboot YET, so many people do not want to welcome it. Add on top of that a pretty drastic change to the Dante most people know and you have a recipe for disaster. I'm fine with video game companies given free control with games if they have proven success (which NT does not).
Game won't sell that well. DMC has gotten more popular but its pretty obscure when compared to other action games. In addition NT games have sold poorly and shouldn't be considered blockbuster material. I sense another Bionic Commando reboot fail (though I don't recall if it sold well enough).
Capcom sucks at PR by putting DMC3 Dante in MvC3. Granted that game was in development for prob a year before the announcement,"potential customers" of DmC currently playing MvC3 will see a clear distinction between the new and old Dante and probably will pick the latter.
DreadnoughtDT
God of Hyperdeath
I don't remember hearing any news or anything that said that DMC3 was directed by the fans. That was still created by Capcom, and what I mean by that is that the fans had no decision in anything other than "don't repeat DMC2".
Chrysander
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They don't need to follow every suggestion given by every fan... Of course that would be ridiculous, you'd end up with a terrible game that tried to go in too many directions, plus most gamers are casual, and don't know anything about making a decent hardcore game.
What they've done by killing off Dante is kick fans in the balls - it's not just a matter of wanting to cover new ground, it's removing elementary parts of the formula. I understand wanting to do something new. But either make a new franchise, or expand on the existing one. Don't bastardize an existing franchise - if it's already doing well.
I know that we haven't seen gameplay yet and wait and see and yes yes yes.
What they've done by killing off Dante is kick fans in the balls - it's not just a matter of wanting to cover new ground, it's removing elementary parts of the formula. I understand wanting to do something new. But either make a new franchise, or expand on the existing one. Don't bastardize an existing franchise - if it's already doing well.
I know that we haven't seen gameplay yet and wait and see and yes yes yes.
Sparda's rejected son
For Edenoi!
Every game company is rebooting thier old characters to appeal to this new generation of games. It's for the money. DMC has fallen within this situation. (Although I'm not sure when DMC needed a reboot. I liked DMC4 a lot. They should've just gave us a DMC4SE) But anyway back to point, let's just wait it out and see. Look for those of you who hate Dante's new look why don't you create a Fan made DMC game with all the things you want in it and be happy. I've gotten used to Dante's new look and if anything just make fan fictions and or fan made games were old school Dante vs new school Dante that's always fun lol. ^_^
Dante's Stalker
"Outrun this!"
OMG aka, sarcasm will get you nowhere real fast aye?
Well, I'm a casual gamer and count under that score but I know a lot more about what goes into making a decent hardcore game than most die-hard fans do, which is exactly why I can get *itchy when fans complain about NT and Capcom 'not knowing' what they're doing. They're being discredited, solely because they're not tripping over themselves to suck up to fans, by fans who know little to nothing about the process. If you really knew, your mind would spasm at the amount of work that goes into it.
And they didn't kill off Dante, they brought him back to us in a different shape. The 'elementary parts of the formula' you say they've removed, they actually haven't. They stated in an interview (one I'm sure you'll find on youtube somewhere being held with Alex, the rep for Capcom) that they're keeping the core details that make DMC.
And really. Really? When has Dante not been bastardized? Viewtiful Joe? MVC? That's an old complaint of Dante being spread thin everywhere outside the DMC universe, so I don't see how it's suddenly an even bigger issue now that they're casting him the lead role in the reboot. And according to a lot of fans who rag on DMC4, the game DIDN'T sell that well. A lot of people didn't like DMC4. The franchise was steering downhill fast. So since when has the franchise been 'doing well'? What, ever since the DmC trailer was released? So in the face of DmC, the franchise had been doing absolutely 'well' beforehand? I dunno. I think you ought to go read some of the threads from last year and the year before, because back then fans were playing a completely different tune.
Well, I'm a casual gamer and count under that score but I know a lot more about what goes into making a decent hardcore game than most die-hard fans do, which is exactly why I can get *itchy when fans complain about NT and Capcom 'not knowing' what they're doing. They're being discredited, solely because they're not tripping over themselves to suck up to fans, by fans who know little to nothing about the process. If you really knew, your mind would spasm at the amount of work that goes into it.
And they didn't kill off Dante, they brought him back to us in a different shape. The 'elementary parts of the formula' you say they've removed, they actually haven't. They stated in an interview (one I'm sure you'll find on youtube somewhere being held with Alex, the rep for Capcom) that they're keeping the core details that make DMC.
And really. Really? When has Dante not been bastardized? Viewtiful Joe? MVC? That's an old complaint of Dante being spread thin everywhere outside the DMC universe, so I don't see how it's suddenly an even bigger issue now that they're casting him the lead role in the reboot. And according to a lot of fans who rag on DMC4, the game DIDN'T sell that well. A lot of people didn't like DMC4. The franchise was steering downhill fast. So since when has the franchise been 'doing well'? What, ever since the DmC trailer was released? So in the face of DmC, the franchise had been doing absolutely 'well' beforehand? I dunno. I think you ought to go read some of the threads from last year and the year before, because back then fans were playing a completely different tune.
Sparda's rejected son
For Edenoi!
Master Vergil was some of that posted directed towards me or that other person? Because you liked my post (which I thank you for) but I'm a little lost.
Dante's Stalker
"Outrun this!"
Nope, it was directed at Crysander and aka, lol.
Meg
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Hey! Don't insult Viewtiful Joe and MVC. 
I don't think its fair to say that DMC was going downhill fast. DMC4 was a good game and while it may not have sold well (Really? Do you have a link?
) it still wasn't a "bad" game. Sure, lots of people had problems with it, but a lot of people became fans of the series because of it. Besides, I wouldn't say the series was going downhill unless DMC5 and 6 were just decent, or at least not as good as 1 and 3.
Also, I think I can explain why people regard the series as doing well all of a sudden despite the complaints a year or two ago. Look at it this way, a game comes out and it doesn't meet expectations, so people complain. Then the sequel comes out (or in this case, announced) and its regarded as not being good at all. Suddenly the game before it was just soooo GOOD! *cough*Final Fantasy XII*cough* Its like, its the lesser of the two evils, so it MUST be good!
I don't think its fair to say that DMC was going downhill fast. DMC4 was a good game and while it may not have sold well (Really? Do you have a link?
) it still wasn't a "bad" game. Sure, lots of people had problems with it, but a lot of people became fans of the series because of it. Besides, I wouldn't say the series was going downhill unless DMC5 and 6 were just decent, or at least not as good as 1 and 3.Also, I think I can explain why people regard the series as doing well all of a sudden despite the complaints a year or two ago. Look at it this way, a game comes out and it doesn't meet expectations, so people complain. Then the sequel comes out (or in this case, announced) and its regarded as not being good at all. Suddenly the game before it was just soooo GOOD! *cough*Final Fantasy XII*cough* Its like, its the lesser of the two evils, so it MUST be good!
aka958
Don't trust people
Hey! Don't insult Viewtiful Joe and MVC.
I don't think its fair to say that DMC was going downhill fast. DMC4 was a good game and while it may not have sold well (Really? Do you have a link?
Also, I think I can explain why people regard the series as doing well all of a sudden despite the complaints a year or two ago. Look at it this way, a game comes out and it doesn't meet expectations, so people complain. Then the sequel comes out (or in this case, announced) and its regarded as not being good at all. Suddenly the game before it was just soooo GOOD! *cough*Final Fantasy XII*cough* Its like, its the lesser of the two evils, so it MUST be good!
http://www.next-gen.biz/news/devil-may-cry-series-hits-10-million-sales
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6186309.html
http://www.gamershell.com/news_45796.html
Sure, it didn't sell as much as the original DMC and DMC3 in the long run but hey, it sold the most during the shortest time range and way more than DMC2.
MV, there is more than the forum to decide if a game is had been selling well. :/
But yeah, it was a different tune, people was all about Nero, which felt like a hit in the jaw to many fans.
Sparda's rejected son
For Edenoi!
AHHHH!!! Thank you for clearing that up. lol
As for DmC the biggest complain is Dante's new look, but I'm use a argument from the past, we can't judge this game until game play and story line is shown. Also all the DMC games were great.
DMC1 was PERFECT and CHANGED gaming for the BETTER.
DMC2 was good, it lacked in story and some gameplay but it was FUN.
DMC3 was PERFECT, it was FUN, CHALLENGING, it had a ton of MODES, and FAN PLEASING stuff in it, plus it had VERGIL.
DMC4 was FUN, and NERO was a GREAT CHARACTER and his Devil Bringer GAMEPLAY brought a new APPROCAH to whooping demon butt.
All in all DMC games are FUN, GOOD, CHALLENGING and ENTERTAINING and that's what we want in a game right? ^_^
Dante's Stalker
"Outrun this!"
Hey! Don't insult Viewtiful Joe and MVC.
I don't think its fair to say that DMC was going downhill fast. DMC4 was a good game and while it may not have sold well (Really? Do you have a link?
Also, I think I can explain why people regard the series as doing well all of a sudden despite the complaints a year or two ago. Look at it this way, a game comes out and it doesn't meet expectations, so people complain. Then the sequel comes out (or in this case, announced) and its regarded as not being good at all. Suddenly the game before it was just soooo GOOD! *cough*Final Fantasy XII*cough* Its like, its the lesser of the two evils, so it MUST be good!
LOL... I'm sure Dante will take my insult with style and show up in the next GTA. XD!!!
Back then the overall consensus of fans was that DMC4 was akin to DMC2, which wasn't very good at all, and it had people talking about leaving Dante out of the series completely because he was becoming stale to their tastes. I never said it was a bad game though. DMC4 got me IN to DMC in the first place so I've got loads of sentimental value attached to the game *ahem* as my collection of four DMC4 games proves. But all I ever heard back then was how bad it was, and like now, the people who did like it were far and few inbetween and they kinda disappeared into background noise while everyone else ranted about how many ways there were to kill off Nero. That might be why I was so keen to be friends with DT when he first signed up - at last! Someone who DOESN'T think the game sucked so bad!
But it's like you say Meg, fans are never satisfied. They're just more dissatisfied this time around because the game very blatantly does not meet their immediate expectations.
aka958
Don't trust people
Lol, I hated on DMC4 too but I like it more than the other DMC games. My issue with DMC4 is that Dante had too few levels to play and most of those had weird gimmicks put into them and mostly unfavorable encounters in my opinion.
But I see a difference between DMC4 and DmC. DMC4 still had the same kind of characters as in past DMC's and the same story. The only big SMACK was Nero.
Whilst DmC goes even further away from the DMC style with a completely new character who doesn't look like any DMC styled character plus it takes away the DMC story as if it was never there. In doing so they leave the continuation of the DMC story at the side, and the fans of that series will never know if they are going to continue it. So it is presumably dead. Making some even go further in rage and will just fuel them more to rage at the new character that possibly killed the old one.
No, they aren't only dissatisfied this time around because the game does not meet their immediate expectations. It is more than that. You're talking down to those fans, why?
Sparda's rejected son
For Edenoi!
Two posts liked in one day I'm on a roll whoooo!! Lol (Thank you Master Vergil) ^_^ I agree thou I never understood why people hated Nero he was cool and his gameplay was great. Plus he battled to save his love, which gave a little depth to DMC because in truth DMC1,2, and 3 all told us Dante wants revenge for his mothers death and while that is a perfect story, Capcom needed to branch out a little. Dante fights for revenge, Nero fought for his love and Vergil.... well No one is quite sure why he fought at all. Maybe for revenge like Dante, or maybe he justed wanted to be like or better than his father. No one knows for sure. But look at like that, Dante fights for revenge, Nero to protect his love, and Vergil just for the heck of it. That's the world of DMC and that makes it cool because the characters have a PURPOSE! ^_^ I'm sure this new Dante fights for a purpose too. Also people admit when you play DMC12,3, or 4 you have FUN so that makes the DMC series GREAT! ^_^ I dropped a knowledge bomb on yall!! Lol JK
Darth Angelo
Tuck-yet-chi-say-denie trieve trick-dis-nie
No fanbase is ever a hivemind about what they want out of a franchise but I think DMC is somthing that has jumped around so much over the years with things like character design, style and story it has created a fanbase who will never be in unison about what they want out of the series on such a level that it isn't just a few differences of opinion, the inconsistancy of the series has created a fanbase that will never be completely satisfied no matter what they do. Because what one fan wants, there is another that wants the opposite.
DMC2 was nothing like DMC1
DMC3 was basicly a mirror opposite of 2
and DMC4 well whatever 4 was trying I liked it but it obviously wasn't as as popular as the others.
Capcom deciding that they are just going to scrap everything and start again and just see if people like it or not seems to make more sense than attempting the impossible and trying the please the majority because I don't even think there is a majority when it comes to DMC fans, especially since Nero was thrown into the mix.
But I think we know thats not the real reason they are doing it, Before the game was even announced they said that they were going to try and make 5 "Western" and "trendy" but it's broad as long as far as the decision goes. A new start is a new start.
DMC2 was nothing like DMC1
DMC3 was basicly a mirror opposite of 2
and DMC4 well whatever 4 was trying I liked it but it obviously wasn't as as popular as the others.
Capcom deciding that they are just going to scrap everything and start again and just see if people like it or not seems to make more sense than attempting the impossible and trying the please the majority because I don't even think there is a majority when it comes to DMC fans, especially since Nero was thrown into the mix.
But I think we know thats not the real reason they are doing it, Before the game was even announced they said that they were going to try and make 5 "Western" and "trendy" but it's broad as long as far as the decision goes. A new start is a new start.
Dante's Stalker
"Outrun this!"
But that's the whole point. Capcom sucks at storytelling (I mean, the giant flying whale in DMC3 was really out there and had no real purpose in the actual story other than delaying us to get to the end a little longer) and NT is good with storytelling. That's the only place where DMC has been lacking - the story. Somewhere, sometime, along the lines the story became just as important to fans as the actual gameplay. Capcom can't tell a proper story to save their rep, and the inconsistency of the series and all the vortexes they've left in their wake, was most likely too demanding on their storytellers' creativity and too complicated to detangle and fill, so they employ someone else who CAN get the story sorted. There has always been talk of DMC5 being more western, etc, so it suits that they employed NT for the job I think. The thing is, the guys at NT probably sat down, tried to make sense of the whole bloody mess dumped on their laps, and the best recourse they could come up with was a reboot. And that's the point - it's a reboot. It's a new start to the series. Whether that means everything of the old will be neglected remains to be seen.
And please do quote exactly where I've talked down to 'those' fans, as I have no idea which fans you're referring to and I wasn't talking down to anyone as far as I'm aware.
aka958
Don't trust people
Here:
"But it's like you say Meg, fans are never satisfied. They're just more dissatisfied this time around because the game very blatantly does not meet their immediate expectations."
Capcom sucks at storytelling? Maybe they leave big gaps but no, I don't think they do.
And say what? The whale wasn't neccessary? Because the game is supposed to be filled with story and should be nothing more? Plus, Vergil had to get a head start from Dante, the Leviathan was presented in the game from the beginning and it was a good hinder in the way. What would you do to replace it with something better more story focused?
I'm pretty sure that if I look around I'll even get an explanation to why the Leviathan is there...
http://devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/Leviathan
Ohh in here with a reference from the game as well.
No, I'm not saying that DMC isn't filled with plot holes. It is, but those where not that hard to fill out. What plotholes actually existed whilst DMC4 was not released? Not that many, all that was needed was something that explained Dante's change. DMC4 however introduced something new and left new questions popping in a cliffhanger so that a sequel explaining it all would be in question. I can't see the mess you are talking about, what's the mess? Where is it? Everything can be so easily explained it's ridiculous. Why Capcom just left it all however is something completely else.
Also, many games have things that doesn't focus on the core story, something on the side to make it not all story focused. Ninja Gaiden could suffer from bad storytelling because of the bosses everywhere, what were their purposes of even being there?
So many FF games with random bosses and has some phases of the game where you won't do much to progress the main story but most have excellent stories. So just because DMC has some sidetracking doesn't make it have a worse story.
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